Who becomes our Rival?

[Gonzo]

And since they do scan App Cards and no students "pay," we can assume that tickets sold+Appcards scanned=number reported.

You can assume that, and it would make the most sense, but I promise you this is NOT what happens. Our number is a guesstimate that comes from a athletic department staff member. Our ticket manager (who is announcing the game on the PA) has nothing to do with it. If he did, it might be closer to accurate.

So I'm supposed to believe that some guy just arbitrarily picks a number instead of looking at the actual scanner totals just because you know a guy? The fact that we report ~50% regular season totals during the playoffs when the NCAA counts the people and the stadium very obviously has ~%50 the people is the proof in the pudding.

The reported figures for App State home games are fairly accurate and fall well within the norm of NCAA football attendance measurement protocols. I'm not sure why you have such an axe to grind, but no one is taking you seriously.

All your attendance conspiracy theories and sentences like the following in the Davidson thread lead me to believe you're not even an App fan, you're just some troll from UNCC or some other wannabe: "I will say that this last year 2013-2014, will be a fun one with everyone together for one last time. Heck everyone needs to make the trip to Asheville for this years SoCon Tourney. It will be a good time before the bolting begins."

[Appersrule]

We can debate our fabricated attendance numbers all day long but in the end ECU is not coming to Boone until the stadium gets expanded, PERIOD.

I suspect that most colleges use similar methods to report attendance figures; consequently, accuracy really becomes relative. During the 2008 season ASU reported that over 30,900 fans attended the Wofford Halloween game, the highest attendance figure on record. Now, this was before the end zone bleachers. If you add the capacity of the end zone bleachers, I estimate KBS could hold at least 33,000 fans. That's plenty of capacity to host ECU. Looking at last year's ECU football schedule I found the following:
Sep 15th Sat @ Southern Miss attendance - 34,140
Oct 4th Thu @ Central Florida - 32.181
Oct 20th Sat @ Alabama Birm - 12,403
Nov 17 Sat @ Tulane - 14,041
Side note: ASU game had the highest home game attendance for 2012 - 49,023
I don't understand why so many App State fans believe that ECU will not come to Boone. In my humble opinion it would be stupid not to.

33,000 fans would be a stretch to get in KBS. They would be packed in like sardines, not exactly the 'gameday experience anyone wants to portray. Either way this number you use are, irrelevant because they are league games they are forced to travel to. They would not be forced to come to Boone. ECU for years has clamored about the lack of respect they get in this state and how they should be competing vs State/UNC every year. ECU's non-conf last year away was UNC and South Carolina. This year it is State/UNC with Va Tech at home.

Folks, no offense to us, because we are making the right move to the FBS. But we are coming in at the bottom of the ladder, and esp to ECU. If you are ECU and your getting games with UNC/State/South Carolina and Va Tech, can anyone seriously tell me why they would want to come to Boone, other than an easy win??? And if you try to argue that ECU would rather go to Boone than State/UNC just stop right now, because thats not even true for our own fans.

[Gonzo]

We can debate our fabricated attendance numbers all day long but in the end ECU is not coming to Boone until the stadium gets expanded, PERIOD.

33,000 fans would be a stretch to get in KBS. They would be packed in like sardines, not exactly the 'gameday experience anyone wants to portray.

Oh yeah....We would never pack people in like sardines



That is exactly the gameday experience we want to portray. It IS the gameday experience we portray because we've been at ~130% capacity for half a decade.

And no we don't need to debate the attendance numbers because no one believes you nonsensical, "i know a guy" dribble.

[Appersrule]

And since they do scan App Cards and no students "pay," we can assume that tickets sold+Appcards scanned=number reported.

You can assume that, and it would make the most sense, but I promise you this is NOT what happens. Our number is a guesstimate that comes from a athletic department staff member. Our ticket manager (who is announcing the game on the PA) has nothing to do with it. If he did, it might be closer to accurate.

So I'm supposed to believe that some guy just arbitrarily picks a number instead of looking at the actual scanner totals just because you know a guy? The fact that we report ~50% regular season totals during the playoffs when the NCAA counts the people and the stadium very obviously has ~%50 the people is the proof in the pudding.

The reported figures for App State home games are fairly accurate and fall well within the norm of NCAA football attendance measurement protocols. I'm not sure why you have such an axe to grind, but no one is taking you seriously.

All your attendance conspiracy theories and sentences like the following in the Davidson thread lead me to believe you're not even an App fan, you're just some troll from UNCC or some other wannabe: "I will say that this last year 2013-2014, will be a fun one with everyone together for one last time. Heck everyone needs to make the trip to Asheville for this years SoCon Tourney. It will be a good time before the bolting begins."

I never said I knew anyone. I just know how the process works. No one is counting tickets sold off the scanner, it would make sense that way but trust me no one is doing it. If you took the scanner totals, they would be correct and under what we report. I am never going to convince you that i'm right, because your flat out neurotic. How would anything in my post about Davidson construe me as a UNCC fan? Why not have a little fun and enjoy the ride of this year in the SoCon? That makes me a wannabe of what? All you are seeing is the future and how much things are going to get better. Thats great and all, but sometimes you have to live and enjoy the present.

[Gonzo]

but trust me

No

I am never going to convince you that i'm right, because your flat out neurotic.

Or because you've offered nothing compelling whatsoever as evidence or substantiation. Everything you post is negative about App State. This is just another part of your misinformation campaign.

How would anything in my post about Davidson construe me as a UNCC fan? Why not have a little fun and enjoy the ride of this year in the SoCon? That makes me a wannabe of what?

That was me struggling to understand your angle. You don't come off as an App fan at all. The negative and sporadic nature of your posts is similar to a troll from another school disguising themselves as an App fan and posting negative things about the school.

[ASUMountaineer]

And since they do scan App Cards and no students "pay," we can assume that tickets sold+Appcards scanned=number reported.

You can assume that, and it would make the most sense, but I promise you this is NOT what happens.

I asked you to share this policy, but you seem to expect us to take your word for it. You're the only one saying that we inflate our numbers on purpose, please provide a shred of evidence.

[AppState89]

i doubt we can afford to host ECU in the near term, whether the ticket counters work or not. once we expand the stadium so that we can sell more tickets we can afford to bring in bigger name schools. until then, we play the road vs bigger name OOC opponents. just my opinion.

Schools are now doing a home and home with the home team keeping the gate. We play ECU in Greenville and they keep the gate and we get nothing, next year they come to Boone and we keep the gate and they get nothing. I think there might be a chance to see them in Boone sooner. I hope so.

[Appsolutely]

"...can anyone seriously tell me why they would want to come to Boone, other than an easy win???"

Say what? If you think ECU would have an easy time with us in Boone, you're delusional.

[ImfromClayton]

Gonzo = Senator Joseph McCarthy.

Except he's fighting 49ers, not Communism.
(insert joke here comparing Charlotte fans to communist)

[Gonzo]

Gonzo = General Douglas MacArthur

Except he's fighting 49ers, not the Japanese.
(insert joke here comparing Charlotte fans to imperial Japs)

FIFY

[fjblair]

I've been through many times when my bar code was not scanned nor the people in front of me.

Many times? I have not missed game since we have been using the scanner and I have never had that happen to me or seen it happen to anyone else. I know it does happen, it's inevitable and happens at all schools, but many times? What are you doing to your tickets JC ?

[fjblair]

The data would be readily available, it's not exactly cutting edge technology to get a reasonably accurate count. Where do you get this stuff? The students need tickets to get in the gate just like everybody else.

Negative, students do NOT use "tickets" to get in. They swipe their student ID.

I meant to imply that they have to be scanned to enter the stadium.

[Gonzo]

I've been through many times when my bar code was not scanned nor the people in front of me.

Many times? I have not missed game since we have been using the scanner and I have never had that happen to me or seen it happen to anyone else. I know it does happen, it's inevitable and happens at all schools, but many times? What are you doing to your tickets JC ?

The guy in front of him was NewApp.

[appgrunt71]

I agree that using OOC away game attendance figures is a better comparison to evaluate ECU's options for selecting away games. Yes, straight line comparisons suggest that ASU is not yet competitive in terms of numbers. But .............wait a minute - last year ECU's average home attendance was around 47,000. The last time ECU played VT the attendance was a little over 49,000. Our game with ECU was over 49,000. That tells me that if ECU plays us, the game will put butts in the seats and make bucks. Guys, ASU needs to aggressively "jump start" this in-state rivalry - the sooner the better. I really believe that the ASU vs ECU rivalry can become a big deal in the state of North Carolina. We need to think strategically, not tactically. We need to pursue the BIG PICTURE. We must at least try!!!

[kiddbrewer]

I agree that using OOC away game attendance figures is a better comparison to evaluate ECU's options for selecting away games. Yes, straight line comparisons suggest that ASU is not yet competitive in terms of numbers. But .............wait a minute - last year ECU's average home attendance was around 47,000. The last time ECU played VT the attendance was a little over 49,000. Our game with ECU was over 49,000. That tells me that if ECU plays us, the game will put butts in the seats and make bucks. Guys, ASU needs to aggressively "jump start" this in-state rivalry - the sooner the better. I really believe that the ASU vs ECU rivalry can become a big deal in the state of North Carolina. We need to think strategically, not tactically. We need to pursue the BIG PICTURE. We must at least try!!!

Agreed

This game could be a real money maker for both schools and could rival the hype of UNC-NCSU in football. The quality of play would certainly be much better.

[HerdFan12]

Marshall - really not sure about, but I just don't see them rushing down to Boone to play us now that we are FBS. I think they are the most likely to be the first visitor out of the three you mentioned though. I think we just need to sit tight and be patient.

Sorry to revive an old thread but:

I doubt Marshall comes to Boone anytime soon. We do not have a history of scheduling Sun Belt teams. As a matter of fact we have only scheduled 2 series with Sun Belt schools since moving up after 1996.

We gave Troy a 2-1 when they 1st moved up and had a 1-1 scheduled with WKU in 17 and 18, and thats all from the Sun Belt we have ever scheduled.

And I don't see that changing anytime soon. Not even with Appy or GA Southern.

Over the last few years we have started scheduling MAC schools an mid level BCS schools. I would think that will continue.

[GaSouthern]

I think JMU will join our conference for 2015 and will setup a nice natural rival for Appy but I think you guys have it perfect if you can get ECU to do a yearly home and home! (or settle for your game to be held at the Carolina Panthers venue)

[asutrnr81]

I doubt Marshall comes to Boone anytime soon. We do not have a history of scheduling Sun Belt teams. As a matter of fact we have only scheduled 2 series with Sun Belt schools since moving up after 1996.

We gave Troy a 2-1 when they 1st moved up and had a 1-1 scheduled with WKU in 17 and 18, and thats all from the Sun Belt we have ever scheduled.

And I don't see that changing anytime soon. Not even with Appy or GA Southern.

Over the last few years we have started scheduling MAC schools an mid level BCS schools. I would think that will continue.

If I were the AD at Marshall I sure as heck would look to schedule us as an FBS opponent ASAP. Given you have a 38K seating capacity and only averaged around 25K the last two years.....we would come a lot closer to filling your stadium than most other teams you are talking about unless it is Miami (OH) or Ohio U. Unless it is not about cash in Huntington.

[AppState89]

I think JMU will join our conference for 2015 and will setup a nice natural rival for Appy but I think you guys have it perfect if you can get ECU to do a yearly home and home! (or settle for your game to be held at the Carolina Panthers venue)

I would love a home and home with ECU, and this is a game that should be played each year. As for it being played at the Panther's stadium, great idea. It would need to be played back to back years if possible. If it's a home game for ECU or App, the local business lose out. Locals bank on home games. With that being said, I would love to play there.

[moehler]

don't forget about Wake Forest, before they cancelled the series with us, we were one of their biggest attended games of the year, huge contingency of App alum live in Greensboro, and the games were very competitive, I think we were 3 and 3 the last 6 games, Boones an easy ride for Wake fans, and a lot of Wake/App fans work/live near each other in the Greensboro area, so it would be really easy to stir up interest in this game. If I was Charlie, I would be on the phone with Wake and ECU everyday trying to get a home and home series started.