ULL CCG discussion

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Re: ULL CCG discussion

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:35 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:51 am
I have no doubt ULL was stealing our signs. Two things with that:

1) We were likely stealing theirs as well
2) Change the signs up if you expect it happened in the first matchup
That is my thought. If the opponent is being obvious or making it easy to know their play then use it. We should change our signs for sure if we expect it and should not even use those cards/signs that we hold up. Need to send the play in so there is no way they could chart any signal or image and eventually figure out what they mean.

Could we possibly move to using headsets so the coach can talk directly to the QB?

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Re: ULL CCG discussion

Unread post by WASU 93 » Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:39 pm

Here are my thoughts, I was at the game and have not watched the replay on TV:

Louisiana is certainly a worthy champion and earned the title. They had a very solid crowd there who sat in the shaded side of the stadium (off camera) and was also spread out. My guess is that they could put 50,000K in Cajun Field if they filled the seats and the Hill, which is bigger than Miller Hill. The announced attendance was probably close to accurate.

The script went their way early. The ineligible receiver down field on Sutton's big gain was a huge play that allowed them to keep the early momentum. Going into halftime, Clark had a good plan to burn clock and try to move the ball. Napier's timeout outflanked him and he went conservative, which gained UL three points going into the locker room.

Sutton's near touchdown catch (when we settled for an eventual field goal, would have been another big shift in momentum) If we convert that play, it's a different ball game.

Our defense, despite being on the field for most of the first half, played incredible in the period between their second TD and their last TD. We didn't stop every play, but they were communicating, flying to the ball and giving us a chance.

As solid as Napier is, he almost blew the end of the game. If he punts coming out of the timeout with 0:33 seconds left, our best situation would be to have the b all at the 20 with 0:25 seconds left and no timeouts. Instead, we were at midfield with 0:23 seconds left.

Comparing the two offenses: Louisiana was usually at the line of scrimmage with 20 seconds left on the play clock and Levi Lewis was patient. He had time to survey the defense, make adjustments, run motion, etc. You also saw misdirection from their team, including a beautiful job on their final TD where they brought their 6'4", 233 yard TE in motion and hid their RB behind him. The TE threw a kickout block and our LB's couldn't find the RB. It was a great play call.
They also had a key play on their final drive on 2nd and 9, when they were burning clock, where they brought their RB across the formation, threw it to him in space in the flat and he was able to evade tackles and pick up the first down.
Napier also does a great job of limiting possessions when he has a lead.

Contrasting our offense: We do not run any misdirection. We do not get the ball to our backs in space (Noel specifically could prosper in this situation). Hence, when our running game is not going, we are easy to defend and Brice is under duress.
To compound this, we are often switching offensive players with 20-25 seconds left on the play clock. With the defense having the chance to match substitutions, we are getting up to the line of scrimmage with 6 or 7 seconds left on the play clock. Brice does not have time to analyze defenses, we aren't using motion in that situation and our line doesn't have time to call out blocking assignments. This happened throughout the game and cost us a very valuable timeout in the second half.
On the flip side, we come out of any media timeout, in formation, on the ball 10 or 15 seconds prior to the ready for play. From there, we don't shift or motion into a different alignment. Why not come out in a bunch and switch to a spread? Or, move three receivers from one side of the formation to the other?

Where Louisiana puts a lot of pressure on the opposing defense with readiness, motion, misdirection and play calling (plus, having a mobile QB), App St. has a lot of opportunity to improve in all of these areas on the offensive side of the ball. We are not creating mismatches for our playmakers on the offensive side of the field and we are not challenging defenses.

Overall, it was a great atmosphere and a solid football games with two very good teams trading punches all game long. It wasn't fun watching their fans rush the field, but our players played hard and our defense was fun to watch. Plus, Peoples and Hennigan made great individual plays.

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Re: ULL CCG discussion

Unread post by Yosefus » Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:57 pm

Our guys played their asses off. It was obvious from the start that UL was better prepared and the better team once again. The only question/concern is the running back situation uhgin and the fact that we do not have a hurry up or 2 minute offense what so ever. Don't understand that part. Course even going back to Satterfield and Moore I don't think playing hurry up offense is in our DNA. May have changed the outcome maybe not. It sure hurt watching that game but can't knock the Cajuns for what they put on the field 2x with us this year.

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Re: ULL CCG discussion

Unread post by HighlandsApp » Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:44 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:50 am
appbio91 wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:09 am
Contrast the onside kick against Coastal and the play calls before half in the championship. One says we are better and we are playing balls to wall to win, the other said we just want to not lose. We basically played like we were waiting on them to screw up. They let us hang around and we could not catch a break. It smelled like a game we would lose from the the get go.
I think it was more Napier built a team with schemes designed to beat is. It's hard to be aggressive on offense when they have two safeties over the top at all times and still get an incredible pass rush. Deep shots just were not there.
I think you're right. I think he did everything possible who were the last two years to study every single way to outplay and beat App State

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Re: ULL CCG discussion

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:01 pm

One of you guys please help me understand that very close to being a TD throw to Corey where he got hurt after falling out of bounds. From my view he caught and secured the ball with not one but 2 feet in the endzone. He then went out of bounds with the defender, still with the ball. Both guys appeared to go to the ground and roll over. At that point the ball came out. Again, maybe I missed something but the main thing is that I don’t recall a replay or any real discussion at all. Did I dream this up? Did he not have possession of the ball at all? That could have been huge. If the call was that he didn’t secure the ball after going out of bounds that’s still a horrible rule. A runner can dive towards the goal line and just break the plane without getting a toe in but a receiver has to come down with the ball, get a foot in AND secure the ball all the way to the ground.

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Re: ULL CCG discussion

Unread post by NewApp » Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:05 pm

The ULL quarterback was phenomenal. He made passes right on the button while he was in the process of being sacked.
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Re: ULL CCG discussion

Unread post by WASU 93 » Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:23 pm

bigdaddyg wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:01 pm
One of you guys please help me understand that very close to being a TD throw to Corey where he got hurt after falling out of bounds. From my view he caught and secured the ball with not one but 2 feet in the endzone. He then went out of bounds with the defender, still with the ball. Both guys appeared to go to the ground and roll over. At that point the ball came out. Again, maybe I missed something but the main thing is that I don’t recall a replay or any real discussion at all. Did I dream this up? Did he not have possession of the ball at all? That could have been huge. If the call was that he didn’t secure the ball after going out of bounds that’s still a horrible rule. A runner can dive towards the goal line and just break the plane without getting a toe in but a receiver has to come down with the ball, get a foot in AND secure the ball all the way to the ground.
To catch a ball means that a player:

Secures control of a live ball in flight before the ball touches the ground, and

Touches the ground in bounds with any part of his body, and then

Maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e., long enough to pitch or hand the ball, advance it, avoid or ward off an opponent, etc., and

Satisfies paragraphs b, c, and d below.

If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent) he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or in the end zone. This is also required for a player attempting to make a catch at the sideline and going to the ground out of bounds. If he loses control of the ball which then touches the ground before he regains control, it is not a catch. If he regains control inbounds prior to the ball touching the ground it is a catch.

If the player loses control of the ball while simultaneously touching the ground with any part of his body, or if there is doubt that the acts were simultaneous, it is not a catch. If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball, even if it touches the ground, will not be considered loss of possession; he must lose control of the ball in order for there to be a loss of possession.

If the ball touches the ground after the player secures control and continues to maintain control, and the elements above are satisfied, it is a catch.

https://rulebook.github.io/en/rules/2/sections/4/

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Re: ULL CCG discussion

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:49 pm

I get that the ULL QB was good. Watching from the stands, when he is accurate, he was on target. When he was off, some of his throws were way off. At the end of the day, they only scored 24 points. I thought the deciding factor was our offense versus their defense. Whether play calling, us being predictable, ULL stealing signs, their DL outplaying our OL, and all the other reasons...our running game never got going. That was difference to me.
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Re: ULL CCG discussion

Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:50 pm

Tbatchelor1977 wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:49 pm
I get that the ULL QB was good. Watching from the stands, when he is accurate, he was on target. When he was off, some of his throws were way off. At the end of the day, they only scored 24 points. I thought the deciding factor was our offense versus their defense. Whether play calling, us being predictable, ULL stealing signs, their DL outplaying our OL, and all the other reasons...our running game never got going. That was difference to me.
Yes, our defense was great and UL had to make phenomenal plays to get to 24. Only scoring 16 was the problem, seems that UL has our offense figured out.

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