New Chancellor search

[firemoose]

Excuse my ignorance on this subject but what road blocks/hurdles is App having issues with? Please be more specific than saying Chapel Hill or Raleigh.

Can someone please give examples from the past where we've had issues trying to improve our academic profile? What can be done to clear these hurdles? If we were able to privately fund a program or at least a large percentage of the program, would the roadblocks be the same? Could private funds lead to public funding if the program(s) showed viability?

With the move to the Sun Belt coming next year, I feel most here are satisfied. This is not to say we should be complacent and stop trying to improve donations and facilities (ie. consistently breaking and increasing upon the $3mil in Yosef contributions and the $200 mil campaign) but I believe the next focus needs to be an academic profile improvement campaign.

As stated earlier in the the thread, increasing doctoral programs should lead to higher contributions across the university from future alumni. Bring in several more medical programs via our partnership with Wake. Roll out a handful of legal programs through another possible partnership with Wake Law. I'd really like to see some engineering programs up on the mountain. Increase the computer science/information program's profile and get Walker College of Business ranked in the top quartile across the nation (if it isn't already).

All these sectors could lead to a much higher return for the university in the future. If we have to do it ourselves, so be it. The time of outside influence controlling what we do needs to come to an end. Mountaineers "mount up" and if marching on the capital or even Chapel Hill's campus is necessary for the betterment of our university, then that's what we must do. Just imagine 20k+ Mountaineer alumni and students rolling into the capital or UNC's campus asking for the shackles to be removed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynKoZD-sFi4

Moonshine-It's not all that complex. When I referred to "hurdles" I was talking about the UNC System BOG. You asked for examples. I gave you one of the latest ones in my post concerning the Psychology Department's attempt to set up a PhD program. It's not as simple as just saying we want more doctorate-level programs. Each and every one has to be approved by the UNC System. Who do you think carries more influence within that body? I don't think anyone needs to tell you this but it's not us.

You mentioned funding. Well, the proposal by the Psychology Dept was fully funded at every level and ready to move forward. As I said, according to people on campus, it was one of the best proposals they had seen. Everything was in order and every question or concern had been addressed, yet still it was not approved. Why? As of the last that the people I talked to had heard no reason was given. As I stated I'm still trying to find out exactly if it was delayed or declined. One person said delayed, the rest declined. I just want to find out what the truth is before I say it.

As to the rest of your questions (and they are great questions), the truth is somewhat more simple. You stated not to just say Chapel Hill or Raleigh but in truth most of our problems originate there. I have had the displeasure of being privy to some conversations and discussions had by members of the UNC System BOG, some official (usually very PC) and some not (usually not PC). In the eyes of many App is the head bastard child of the system. Not to say that others are not included in that catagory but since App usually is third behind UNC-CH and State in application ratios, we are usually the first mentioned. There are many within the PTB's that would love App to grow, but only to a certain point. Several of those didn't want to see us move up because, even though it was only one title that changed, it put us closer to the "bigger school" label whereas before we could always be referred to as a "small school" within the state (I know it's stupid to think that a university with nearly 18,000 students is classed as a "small school" just because of an FCS football program and SoCon membership but a lot of people in and outside of the system have always viewed App as that). Number of students is one thing, programs are another. And since they are the ones who make the final decisions on who gets what, we are sucking hind tit most of the time. Your suggestion to "mount up" is really the best thing we can do and hopefully our new Chancellor will lead the charge. Will it make a big difference? In the grand scheme known as the UNC System probably not a lot. But it might make things uncomfortable enough for some that we might be able to gain a few concessions and get a few more programs approved.

Unfortunately, in the eyes of the "pinkie sticking out, tea and crumpets sipping" crowd that is CH, App will always be the "hippie, redneck, s**t between our toes" mountain school (ironic considering State has most of the Ag programs). But also considering that the System BOG's still want us to grow, over time, towards the 20,000+ student university that keeps being talked about then I feel we should use that as leverage. If you want us to grow in population then you also need to let us grow our academic programs as well, including allowing us to initiate some PhD programs which will increase our foundation and our endowment level also. Whether this will happen only time will tell but I think it's a worthwhile goal.

[moonshine]

FM I saw the your post in regards to the Psychology Dept but it seems like this has been going on for quite some time. I was wondering what other road blocks we've encountered in the past, possibly within other departments, similar to the Psych Dept.

As for the "mount up" comment, it would be nice to get a Chancellor who is willing to lead the charge but it was more of a call towards students, faculty and alums to step up and show we're tired of being held back. I think we can ruffle some feathers with some sort of protest aimed at TPB and everyone knows the students would love a reason to miss classes to yell at the authorities that is the BOG. Exercising thier 1st amendment rights could be incorporated into future teachings at the university.

Hell play into their stereotypes: dress up in overalls, coon skin hats, carry (unloaded) rifles, blacken some teeth out, carry empty shine jugs, bring goats to the protest, put flowers in our hair, wear patchouli and hemp necklaces and anything else we can think of to bring attention to our situation. It would also show solidarity with the faculty that our alums care about the education the students are receiving and not just Black Saturday.

Basically we must stop standing idly by while our admin is continuously beat like a rented mule. WE need to show up in numbers to back our admin and faculty in their fight to grow the prestige of our institution and show the BOG we mean business. Do we know when the next big BOG meeting is happening?

[JCline0429]

Excuse my ignorance on this subject but what road blocks/hurdles is App having issues with? Please be more specific than saying Chapel Hill or Raleigh.

Can someone please give examples from the past where we've had issues trying to improve our academic profile? What can be done to clear these hurdles? If we were able to privately fund a program or at least a large percentage of the program, would the roadblocks be the same? Could private funds lead to public funding if the program(s) showed viability?

With the move to the Sun Belt coming next year, I feel most here are satisfied. This is not to say we should be complacent and stop trying to improve donations and facilities (ie. consistently breaking and increasing upon the $3mil in Yosef contributions and the $200 mil campaign) but I believe the next focus needs to be an academic profile improvement campaign.

As stated earlier in the the thread, increasing doctoral programs should lead to higher contributions across the university from future alumni. Bring in several more medical programs via our partnership with Wake. Roll out a handful of legal programs through another possible partnership with Wake Law. I'd really like to see some engineering programs up on the mountain. Increase the computer science/information program's profile and get Walker College of Business ranked in the top quartile across the nation (if it isn't already).

All these sectors could lead to a much higher return for the university in the future. If we have to do it ourselves, so be it. The time of outside influence controlling what we do needs to come to an end. Mountaineers "mount up" and if marching on the capital or even Chapel Hill's campus is necessary for the betterment of our university, then that's what we must do. Just imagine 20k+ Mountaineer alumni and students rolling into the capital or UNC's campus asking for the shackles to be removed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynKoZD-sFi4

Other than nursing, PT and PA programs, the next medical school will likely be in Charlotte due to the proximity to major hospitals

[HeffnerIV]

Crazy question maybe, but considering that we began as a private, could we ever re-establish ourselves as one? Would a state ever consider selling one of its institutions? What would our value be on the market?

Anyway, I know it'd never happen, but an interesting thought nonetheless.

[JCline0429]

Considering the University gets most of its funding from the State, it would be a foolish move.

[HeffnerIV]

Considering the University gets most of its funding from the State, it would be a foolish move.

Don't quote me in this, but I think only about 25% of our finding is state. Not a small amount, but not the majority.

[ASUMountaineer]

Excuse my ignorance on this subject but what road blocks/hurdles is App having issues with? Please be more specific than saying Chapel Hill or Raleigh.

Can someone please give examples from the past where we've had issues trying to improve our academic profile? What can be done to clear these hurdles? If we were able to privately fund a program or at least a large percentage of the program, would the roadblocks be the same? Could private funds lead to public funding if the program(s) showed viability?

With the move to the Sun Belt coming next year, I feel most here are satisfied. This is not to say we should be complacent and stop trying to improve donations and facilities (ie. consistently breaking and increasing upon the $3mil in Yosef contributions and the $200 mil campaign) but I believe the next focus needs to be an academic profile improvement campaign.

As stated earlier in the the thread, increasing doctoral programs should lead to higher contributions across the university from future alumni. Bring in several more medical programs via our partnership with Wake. Roll out a handful of legal programs through another possible partnership with Wake Law. I'd really like to see some engineering programs up on the mountain. Increase the computer science/information program's profile and get Walker College of Business ranked in the top quartile across the nation (if it isn't already).

All these sectors could lead to a much higher return for the university in the future. If we have to do it ourselves, so be it. The time of outside influence controlling what we do needs to come to an end. Mountaineers "mount up" and if marching on the capital or even Chapel Hill's campus is necessary for the betterment of our university, then that's what we must do. Just imagine 20k+ Mountaineer alumni and students rolling into the capital or UNC's campus asking for the shackles to be removed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynKoZD-sFi4

Other than nursing, PT and PA programs, the next medical school will likely be in Charlotte due to the proximity to major hospitals

The only thing that could impede that is that UNC-CH has a satellite in Charlotte.

[JCline0429]

Considering the University gets most of its funding from the State, it would be a foolish move.

Don't quote me in this, but I think only about 25% of our finding is state. Not a small amount, but not the majority.

Are you counting all the buildings that have been built by the state? I seriously doubt that only 25% of our funding comes from the state. Too, there is federal funding for various grants.The state provides the funding that is the difference in tuition and the actual cost of expenses to attend the University. That is one reason that out of state tuition is higher than in-state tuition.

[HeffnerIV]

Considering the University gets most of its funding from the State, it would be a foolish move.

Don't quote me in this, but I think only about 25% of our finding is state. Not a small amount, but not the majority.

Are you counting all the buildings that have been built by the state? I seriously doubt that only 25% of our funding comes from the state. Too, there is federal funding for various grants.The state provides the funding that is the difference in tuition and the actual cost of expenses to attend the University. That is one reason that out of state tuition is higher than in-state tuition.

No, I'm referring to operating costs. Any privatization would have to accompany the sale of the school's assets

[JCline0429]

I doubt state law would allow the sale of the University. Too, without state funding, the cost of tuition as a private university could approach that of other private colleges. Wake's tuition and other costs are close to $60,000 a year. I don't think we want to tread those waters.

[HeffnerIV]

I doubt state law would allow the sale of the University. Too, without state funding, the cost of tuition as a private university could approach that of other private colleges. Wake's tuition and other costs are close to $60,000 a year. I don't think we want to tread those waters.

I understand that sentiment, but we're paying for it either way. We'll pay for it through taxes or through tuition. I also think that the state could (I say this with no actual knowledge) sell a school just like they could sell a piece of physical property. I agree that this would never happen, though.

[JCline0429]

I doubt state law would allow the sale of the University. Too, without state funding, the cost of tuition as a private university could approach that of other private colleges. Wake's tuition and other costs are close to $60,000 a year. I don't think we want to tread those waters.

I understand that sentiment, but we're paying for it either way. We'll pay for it through taxes or through tuition. I also think that the state could (I say this with no actual knowledge) sell a school just like they could sell a piece of physical property. I agree that this would never happen, though.

The state can sell buildings, but they couldn't sell a school.
I just don't see the advantages of Appalachian becoming a private school. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

[HeffnerIV]

I doubt state law would allow the sale of the University. Too, without state funding, the cost of tuition as a private university could approach that of other private colleges. Wake's tuition and other costs are close to $60,000 a year. I don't think we want to tread those waters.

I understand that sentiment, but we're paying for it either way. We'll pay for it through taxes or through tuition. I also think that the state could (I say this with no actual knowledge) sell a school just like they could sell a piece of physical property. I agree that this would never happen, though.

The state can sell buildings, but they couldn't sell a school.
I just don't see the advantages of Appalachian becoming a private school. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

The benefit would be that we'd never need threads like this, lamenting the fact that we have a 'sister school' empeeding our progress. Look at Campbell, they add a new professional school every other week and they don't ask permission from folks who generally find them as an annoyance.

I say allow us to do what we think best for our students and force us to compete with the other schools in the system.

[DoubleA]

ASU leadership needs to play the economic development angle in dealing with Raleigh. Poor, underserved, Western NC needs ASU to provide more educational and economic development opportunities. Worked for ECU in landing a medical school, and seems to working for UNCC,
so why not ASU? We're obviously not going to land a medical school, but there's a need for PA school, pharmacy, possibly engineering, architecture, law, and Phd programs.

[Maddog1956]

The biggest roadblock to becoming a doctorate-level university

There has to be a political push by the western half of the state for sure. Not only is the western half limited in legal and medical schools in the total number of programs but even more limited in the number of public affordable schools. I know that people normally go away for schools but the legal profession specifically is one that many people do while they have other jobs as well.

I'm not complaining APP hasn't been trying and getting the nursing program was a great plus in my book.

[JCline0429]

I doubt state law would allow the sale of the University. Too, without state funding, the cost of tuition as a private university could approach that of other private colleges. Wake's tuition and other costs are close to $60,000 a year. I don't think we want to tread those waters.

I understand that sentiment, but we're paying for it either way. We'll pay for it through taxes or through tuition. I also think that the state could (I say this with no actual knowledge) sell a school just like they could sell a piece of physical property. I agree that this would never happen, though.

The state can sell buildings, but they couldn't sell a school.
I just don't see the advantages of Appalachian becoming a private school. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

The benefit would be that we'd never need threads like this, lamenting the fact that we have a 'sister school' empeeding our progress. Look at Campbell, they add a new professional school every other week and they don't ask permission from folks who generally find them as an annoyance.

I say allow us to do what we think best for our students and force us to compete with the other schools in the system.

Campbell doesn't get funds from the state to help fund their law school. We would. Chapel Hill does and so does NC Central. Wake and Duke get no funding from the state. ECU and UNC do. Those are the differences.

[HeffnerIV]

I doubt state law would allow the sale of the University. Too, without state funding, the cost of tuition as a private university could approach that of other private colleges. Wake's tuition and other costs are close to $60,000 a year. I don't think we want to tread those waters.

I understand that sentiment, but we're paying for it either way. We'll pay for it through taxes or through tuition. I also think that the state could (I say this with no actual knowledge) sell a school just like they could sell a piece of physical property. I agree that this would never happen, though.

The state can sell buildings, but they couldn't sell a school.
I just don't see the advantages of Appalachian becoming a private school. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

The benefit would be that we'd never need threads like this, lamenting the fact that we have a 'sister school' empeeding our progress. Look at Campbell, they add a new professional school every other week and they don't ask permission from folks who generally find them as an annoyance.

I say allow us to do what we think best for our students and force us to compete with the other schools in the system.

Campbell doesn't get funds from the state to help fund their law school. We would. Chapel Hill does and so does NC Central. Wake and Duke get no funding from the state. ECU and UNC do. Those are the differences.

Exactly, you wrote that you didn't see the advantages to App privatizing so I mentioned the ease at which the schools listed in your last comment have at adding those programs.

[JCline0429]

I meant to say that we would not receive funds from the state if were private. Tuition at 60,000 dollars would decimate our university. Students go to state supported schools mainly because they are less expensive than private.

[Appsolutely]

ASU leadership needs to play the economic development angle in dealing with Raleigh. Poor, underserved, Western NC needs ASU to provide more educational and economic development opportunities. Worked for ECU in landing a medical school, and seems to working for UNCC,
so why not ASU? We're obviously not going to land a medical school, but there's a need for PA school, pharmacy, possibly engineering, architecture, law, and Phd programs.

Please don't bother our elected officials in Raleigh. They are busy with other important matters.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/opini ... .html?_r=0

Of course, this editorial has to be rubbish, because it came from the NYT. Right?

[appst89]

We have a politics and current events folder now.