49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

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49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by T-Dog » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:37 am

Today is something a little different. I take a look at the new program down in the Queen City and what they bring to the table including coaching, schemes, scheduling and more.

http://wp.me/p3hJXJ-1xQ

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by Saint3333 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:45 am

"Fall is Coming"

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Very nicely done.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by HighFlying49er » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:59 am

Good Read - No one knows how we will handle this football thing, which is one of the reasons it is so exciting! Anyhow, you make some good points and I enjoyed reading about our program as viewed by an opposing teams fan base. Best of luck this year!

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by Gonzo » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:17 am

UNCC will land somewhere in between ODU and GaSt as far as initial success (or lack thereof) goes. They have a lot more in common with Georgia State culturally.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by canes_mj » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:22 pm

Good and fair analysis regarding UNCC. Any App fan who casually dismisses them is making a big mistake.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by appsfan » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:34 pm

Nice article and time will tell how things work out for both of us...

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by ImfromClayton » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:26 am

T-Dog wrote:Today is something a little different. I take a look at the new program down in the Queen City and what they bring to the table including coaching, schemes, scheduling and more.

http://wp.me/p3hJXJ-1xQ
Thank you T-Dog. That was one of the most honest and fair analysis I've seen of us. It's nice to have some discussion about actual football instead of the traditional jabs back and forth. You guys got a steal with that sports writer. Nathan Butler is a great kid, with a great head on his shoulders.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by Rekdiver » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:20 am

Well done fair summary. Judy and Phil did not want football and I think that is well known. Neither did the large state universities in both NC and SC. I always said the potential was unlimited here ( I live in Charlotte)in our urban setting. The potential for an incredible rivalry between Charlotte and APP is here also and again we have to overcome Judy's bias that we are beneath Charlotte. I think Charlottes' move forced us to move quicker than our Chancellor wanted to who wanted a regional conference. Maybe one day but for now the SunBelt is it and we need to prove we can compete.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:24 am

Ironic, App didn't want another football program in NC the size of UNCC, but for the fans wanting to join the FBS ranks it may have been the item that tipped the scale.

Same thing for GSU with GA St.

We should play UNCC in basketball and baseball every year and at a minimum every other year in football. Makes a lot of cents.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by afinerniner » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:32 am

Very solid write up. You make a great point about all of the additional scholarships that will be added to FBS. Recruiting will definitely be tougher but it also a great chance for Charlotte, App, and ODU to eat into the depth of schools of ACC.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:18 am

Saint3333 wrote:Ironic, App didn't want another football program in NC the size of UNCC, but for the fans wanting to join the FBS ranks it may have been the item that tipped the scale.

Same thing for GSU with GA St.

We should play UNCC in basketball and baseball every year and at a minimum every other year in football. Makes a lot of cents.
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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by ASU-FTW » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:01 pm

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Saint3333 wrote:Ironic, App didn't want another football program in NC the size of UNCC, but for the fans wanting to join the FBS ranks it may have been the item that tipped the scale.

Same thing for GSU with GA St.

We should play UNCC in basketball and baseball every year and at a minimum every other year in football. Makes a lot of cents.
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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by NWA49 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:42 pm

http://gmine.blogspot.com/2013/07/49ers ... appen.html

Thought you guys would like this.

From the article: Charlotte 49ers athletics director Judy Rose told me recently that the two schools continue to discuss scheduling a football series. Mountaineers spokesman Mike Flynn told me Monday that Appalachian athletics director Charlie Cobb and football coach Scott Satterfield would love to play Charlotte and that 2014 wouldn't be too soon.


"Down the road, we will play them," said Rose. "We’re in discussions with them. They’d like it to be a longer-team arrangement, and we’re not willing to do that, because we just don’t know what our conference schedules are going to be like. We’ve got to be careful in how far out we schedule."

Read more here: http://gmine.blogspot.com/2013/07/49ers ... rylink=cpy

Makes sense to me for the most part. I want no part of App until we have our feet under us. I also am sure that any OOC teams App can lock into long term agreements with would be great since it is a little more difficult to get to Boone and for us that isn't a big deal.

The odd line for me is Judy talking about how conference schedules could change? I don't get that, unless she is bracing for some more movement above us.
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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by Dmanuhone » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:17 pm

ODU cancels 2014 F ball game with uncc.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=640049
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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by ASU-FTW » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:30 pm

Looks like discussions are getting a tad bit heated in the comments section.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by asumike83 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:41 pm

ASU-FTW wrote:
Looks like discussions are getting a tad bit heated in the comments section.
Ha, imagine that!

This series makes too much sense not to happen. Easy bus trip for the teams, fans on both sides would show up in big numbers and a regular series would make OOC scheduling so much easier for a couple schools who have enough travel to worry about already.

Make it happen. If Judy insists on short-term, sign a home-and-home. When she sees all the benefits first-hand, a long-term renewal should be an easy sell.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by JTApps1 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:15 pm

So UNCC now has an opening in 2014 and 2015, but Judy doesn't want to get a deal done? Why not a home and home (Boone in 2014 and Charlotte in 2015) for those two years to start? Not wanting to play App yet due to being a startup would make sense except you had an ODU team that went to back to back playoff births scheduled. Plus you better get those young guys prepared for good competition before CUSA comes calling in 2015. Maybe UNCC is scared of the negative impact two lopsided losses could have on their recruiting, but I would imagine a recruit that wanted to go to UNCC would understand there will be growing pains for a new team.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by AppinVA » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:05 pm

It would be a hoot if ODU broke the game with Charlotte to schedule a home-and-home with App. :lol:
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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by JTApps1 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:15 pm

AppinVA wrote:It would be a hoot if ODU broke the game with Charlotte to schedule a home-and-home with App. :lol:
HA I was thinking the same thing after my post above.

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Re: 49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

Unread post by NWA49 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:25 pm

JTApps1 wrote:So UNCC now has an opening in 2014 and 2015, but Judy doesn't want to get a deal done? Why not a home and home (Boone in 2014 and Charlotte in 2015) for those two years to start? Not wanting to play App yet due to being a startup would make sense except you had an ODU team that went to back to back playoff births scheduled. Plus you better get those young guys prepared for good competition before CUSA comes calling in 2015. Maybe UNCC is scared of the negative impact two lopsided losses could have on their recruiting, but I would imagine a recruit that wanted to go to UNCC would understand there will be growing pains for a new team.
Many of our fans don't mind playing you guys. I prefer not to until we are on equal footing. IMO our roster is too young. Yes, we had ODU on the schedule, but we won't/don't compete against them the way we do with App. I am all for starting things up - but not until we both have an equal shot. I know you all want to get a shot in on us before we are at full power and I understand that.

As for going to Boone - we just lost the big him game on our schedule in 2014. If we are going to replace it with a road game, that we will most likely lose - it better be for some cash somewhere.
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