49 Problems - Analyzing the Charlotte Effect

[NWA49]

nature of your fans conduct on the Internet.

Coming from you - this just made me laugh.

[ImfromClayton]

I find it hilarious that a group of people that have looked down their noses at us from the get go are shaking in their boots at the concept of a game. I for one am excited for the prospect of finally giving this classless community college the ass whoopin' for which they've been begging, in '14 or any time in the foreseeable future.

And when the time comes we will look forward to showing you and a few others how everything you said - we can't have a team, no coach will want to be there, we don't have the money, we don't have spirit, no way do we go FBS so quickly, no conference would want us, no players will want to come to Charlotte, no fans will show up and all the other things you personally have said to discount what we have done are false with the last one being that we cant compete on the field with you.

I had no interest in playing App as long as you were FCS - there was nothing in that for us. With us both being FBS schools I don't see why we shouldn't play, but not until our program has it's feet under them. The fansbases have taken plenty of cheap shots at each other with you being one of the primary sources. If we played next season and lost 30-7 or something you would be on here ranting and raving how right you were, when in reality you should beat us like that. We have 10 upperclassman on the whole damn team and virtually no depth. Yet you will take that win as some sign from the football Gods that App is the equal to Alabama. Personally I would prefer to wait and when we both have equal resources let's go see what happens and then let the gloating commence.

Give me a break. You act like App fans discouraged every aspect of your program. All I did, and all I saw other App fans doing was making fun of you for not having a team in the first place. When things started coming together for UNCC football your message board fans started with the "We will start off better than App State is now" BS.

It's beside the point anyway. You people ran your mouths about the doom of Appalachian now that UNCC has football over the past few years and now you people are shitting yourselves at the inevitable crow you'll be forced to eat when you put your money where your mouth is. It's almost as satisfying to read as the inevitable moment in which we drop 70 on you when we finally meet on the field.

You're Georgia State 2 both on the field and the nature of your fans conduct on the Internet.

well... um... that's because that's exactly what happened. We all have idiot fans on the internet. The same way that our idiot fans heckled your lot about C-USA.

Anyway, you Apps know you just want to get a shot in on us before we have a full roster. That's fine, If you will come to Richardson Stadium I'd love to play. But we have 15,000 seats. "Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime" right?

[Gonzo]

nature of your fans conduct on the Internet.

Coming from you - this just made me laugh.

My posts are as level headed as ASUMike's compared to your collective Internet fanbase...

[NWA49]

nature of your fans conduct on the Internet.

Coming from you - this just made me laugh.

My posts are as level headed as ASUMike's compared to your collective Internet fanbase...

ok

[Gonzo]

From the 9er board:

"I say let's play them in everything and put them in their place, at the damn kid's table. "



I'd love to whip them in baseball too. That's big talk for a soccer school.

[NWA49]

From the 9er board:

"I say let's play them in everything and put them in their place, at the damn kid's table. "



I'd love to whip them in baseball too. That's big talk for a soccer school.

For clarity this is what the post said at the start on the 9er board:

"After reading their board I've flipped my stance on this. Play them. If a 2nd or 3rd year team beats them, you will literally see their football fan base fall apart."

In other words this was someone who was ok waiting to play you all, but after this and other App boards he changed his tune. I imagine you personally helped him change his mind. And he is right - IF we were to play in 2014 and we pull off the upset it would be pretty epic.

As for other sports it would be fun to play you guys in just about everything. I am very curious to see how our baseball does, our first go round baseball wasn't that great. Since then our facilities have become much nicer. Hard to tell though since CUSA baseball is pretty damn good.

[ASU-FTW]

From the 9er board:

"I say let's play them in everything and put them in their place, at the damn kid's table. "



I'd love to whip them in baseball too. That's big talk for a soccer school.

Get a load of this one from the blog posted earlier in this thread:

"A rivalry with Appalachian State is a great way for the Niners to never develop into a full fledged program. Rivalries with a small time Sun Belt Conference team will do nothing but keep us small time too. I think that is Appalachian's goal."

[AppStateNews]

NWA is one of the few level-headed UNCC posters I have read. He actually understands the fact that we have a tradition and history of winning. Whereas, majority of other UNCC "fans" think they are already better than us because they are in a larger city, in a "better" conference (CUSA, imo, is below SunBelt now), and because "we are Charlotte, damnit!"

That is where the haste comes from. The same thing happened with Georgia State. They were a school in a large city, playing in the Georgia Dome so they were automatically going to be world beaters. In reality, they got dominated by Lambuth College in year 1. Not saying UNCC will get dominated by Wesley College in year 1 (I would hope not), but play a down of football before you're automatically better than us.

Now, the opportunity presents itself for you guys to prove you're better than us, and you don't want it. I understand the reasoning for not wanting it (i.e. get a full roster), but, if that's the case, get the rest of your fan base to get on level ground too.

[asu7]

We just need to let them be. They are going to a conference that is going to mirror the Sun Belt. The TV dollars that was once there will be no more once the TV deals are worked out. ECU is long gone and so is the traditional CUSA.

They so far haven't taken one recruit from us I believe. The one West Montgomery kid is coming back to APP before even playing a down. SO what are we really worried about with them?

They will have to play us at some point and the score will probably be the same no matter if it is 14 or 16. We have tradition and an atmosphere that will take them many years to get. We have a brand for football and they are just starting. Let them get whatever they want because honestly, they will need it. If they think we won't win after 14 they are delusional. If anything we are a year ahead of them now. My how the tables have turned. They were joining a conference with ECU and we were FCS. Now ECU is gone and we will be FBS before they will.

Oh and we should never go to a 15,000 seat stadium.

[AppinVA]

NWA is one of the few level-headed UNCC posters I have read. He actually understands the fact that we have a tradition and history of winning. Whereas, majority of other UNCC "fans" think they are already better than us because they are in a larger city, in a "better" conference (CUSA, imo, is below SunBelt now), and because "we are Charlotte, damnit!"

I'm Charlotte, Dammit.

[Yosef84]

Well done fair summary. Judy and Phil did not want football and I think that is well known. Neither did the large state universities in both NC and SC. I always said the potential was unlimited here ( I live in Charlotte)in our urban setting. The potential for an incredible rivalry between Charlotte and APP is here also and again we have to overcome Judy's bias that we are beneath Charlotte. I think Charlottes' move forced us to move quicker than our Chancellor wanted to who wanted a regional conference. Maybe one day but for now the SunBelt is it and we need to prove we can compete.

I understand why Charlotte doesn't want to play us while they are in start-up mode, but I think it will happen and it has the potential to be a great rivalry. I believe App will have success pretty quickly in the SBC, and that is going to make it hard for the "powers that be" to ignore. I believe the fans of both schools want to play each other, and it will happen within a few years.

[Yosef84]

I do agree that Charlotte will probably fall between ODU and GSU in terms of initial success. Their early entry into FBS will help with recruiting but it makes for a tough road in terms of competition. ODU did a great job, but their success was aided by the downturn in the CAA about the time they entered. If ODU had entered the CAA three or four years earlier when the CAA was peaking, they would have struggled much more. I don't mean to detract from their accomplishment, but timing is a huge factor.

[Gonzo]

I do agree that Charlotte will probably fall between ODU and GSU in terms of initial success. Their early entry into FBS will help with recruiting but it makes for a tough road in terms of competition. ODU did a great job, but their success was aided by the downturn in the CAA about the time they entered. If ODU had entered the CAA three or four years earlier when the CAA was peaking, they would have struggled much more. I don't mean to detract from their accomplishment, but timing is a huge factor.

In that case Charlotte is in good shape since they're entering a piss poor CUSA. Likely the worst FBS football conference.

I still don't think they'll win a conference game at the onset of their FBS move. Mowing through D-2s and NAIAs is going to make their team and their fans soft and complacent.

[hapapp]

I do agree that Charlotte will probably fall between ODU and GSU in terms of initial success. Their early entry into FBS will help with recruiting but it makes for a tough road in terms of competition. ODU did a great job, but their success was aided by the downturn in the CAA about the time they entered. If ODU had entered the CAA three or four years earlier when the CAA was peaking, they would have struggled much more. I don't mean to detract from their accomplishment, but timing is a huge factor.

ODU is likely the exception rather than the rule. However, no one really knows how Charlotte will do until they actually hit the field. It's hard to judge the quality of their recruiting thus far since they haven't played a down yet. They may be talented but they also will be young and inexperienced as a group. My guess is that most of their fans understand that starting a program from scratch will likely provide a lot of bumps in the road. We, likewise, will experience our own bumps in the road as we face an ever increasing level of competition. Just as I'm sure some of their fans have unrealistic expectations, we likely have our share.

[DoubleA]

I don't understand the obsession with playing UNCC in football, a new, un-established program. Let's focus on the transition to FBS and hopefully scheduling some very interesting games with programs with established "brands", if you will. Love to see a game with a military academy; resume series with Wake, ECU and Marshall; and at least one game per season with a national power. In other words, we have bigger fish to fry, than a fledgling UNCC program. Granted, the real question regarding UNCC is not if we play, but when we play. If that day is five years down the road, I would be more than OK with it.

[Yosef84]

I don't understand the obsession with playing UNCC in football, a new, un-established program. Let's focus on the transition to FBS and hopefully scheduling some very interesting games with programs with established "brands", if you will. Love to see a game with a military academy; resume series with Wake, ECU and Marshall; and at least one game per season with a national power. In other words, we have bigger fish to fry, than a fledgling UNCC program. Granted, the real question regarding UNCC is not if we play, but when we play. If that day is five years down the road, I would be more than OK with it.

Can't say I disagree with anything you wrote other than the first sentence describing an "obsession" with playing Charlotte. I really don't think anybody has an obsession. At least, I don't see it. I see it as an inevitability and a potentially very positive thing in order to maintain local interest and manage travel costs. In order for a true rivalry to develop, I do think they need to have success. If they flop, it will just be an occasional game for business reasons. I definitely agree that 5 years down the road is about right. That allows time to see whether the potential is really there.

[moehler]

Screw UNCC, we should be focusing our efforts on getting a yearly series with Wake and/or ECU. Becouse of the talent gap, UNCC doesn't want anything to do with us for at least 3 years, and with the arrogance of UNCC administration, it would not surprise me if they demanded some ridiculous home and home series ie: 4 games in Charlotte, 1 in Boone. I say forget about them for the next 5 years, they aren't worth our time and efforts.