UNC game discussion

[ASUFan4863]

Does anyone know if there are plans for added amenities to enhance the gameday experience against the tarholes? I was there for the Luke combs concert and it was crazy. Could hardly move around in the concourse, use the bathroom or anything & now theres going to be at least 15% more people. Maybe some extra porta johns and food/drink vendors? None of this will matter when I am 5 deep by 10 A.M., but just a sober thought for now.

[AppStateNews]

Does anyone know if there are plans for added amenities to enhance the gameday experience against the tarholes? I was there for the Luke combs concert and it was crazy. Could hardly move around in the concourse, use the bathroom or anything & now theres going to be at least 15% more people. Maybe some extra porta johns and food/drink vendors? None of this will matter when I am 5 deep by 10 A.M., but just a sober thought for now.

There will be more point of sale and vendor options for concessions. I have not heard about porta Johns

[postalapp90]

Does anyone know if there are plans for added amenities to enhance the gameday experience against the tarholes? I was there for the Luke combs concert and it was crazy. Could hardly move around in the concourse, use the bathroom or anything & now theres going to be at least 15% more people. Maybe some extra porta johns and food/drink vendors? None of this will matter when I am 5 deep by 10 A.M., but just a sober thought for now.

There will be more point of sale and vendor options for concessions. I have not heard about porta Johns

I hope they keep this for every game.

[bigdaddyg]

What is a good estimate for ticket sales revenue? I would imagine that concessions will bring in a ton- if you can stand the lines!

[BambooRdApp]

Another perspective on grading UNC Depth chart

https://saturdayroad.com/north-carolina ... of-opener/

[bigdaddyg]

As mentioned earlier a huge key to our success- in every game but more so against tougher competition is discipline. We can't have the drive killer personal foul penalties that put us in those 2nd and 25 situations. We seem to have a few guys every year who get a little too hyped up and make stupid penalties.

The trenches are always huge. They appear to have depth and experience on the front 4 and it's going to be a challenge to control the line and to sustain drives. Our backs are going to have to block and the receivers will have to get quick separation. Hard to imagine too many long developing pass plays.

On defense we absolutely must stay in our lanes and we need to mix up some looks with a good bit of blitz packages. Take Downs out of the picture and make inexperienced guys beat us.

I can see a close game with us going into the 4th with a one score lead. If that's the scenario I really hope we don't go conservative and just try to milk the clock.

[appbio91]

Anyone know why the noon game time? I hate that, assume TV schedule?

[TheMoody1]

Anyone know why the noon game time? I hate that, assume TV schedule?

Yep. Blame ESPN for that one.

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

Anyone know why the noon game time? I hate that, assume TV schedule?

It's ALWAYS because of the TV schedule now. Would have been nice to have a 3:30 game but there are bigger TV markets on at that time. I am slightly surprised they put us playing at the same time as NC State vs. ECU but it is what it is.

[AppSt94]

Anyone know why the noon game time? I hate that, assume TV schedule?

Yep. Blame ESPN for that one.

It’s better than ESPN+. Just sayin.

[AppSt94]

As mentioned earlier a huge key to our success- in every game but more so against tougher competition is discipline. We can't have the drive killer personal foul penalties that put us in those 2nd and 25 situations. We seem to have a few guys every year who get a little too hyped up and make stupid penalties.

The trenches are always huge. They appear to have depth and experience on the front 4 and it's going to be a challenge to control the line and to sustain drives. Our backs are going to have to block and the receivers will have to get quick separation. Hard to imagine too many long developing pass plays.

On defense we absolutely must stay in our lanes and we need to mix up some looks with a good bit of blitz packages. Take Downs out of the picture and make inexperienced guys beat us.

I can see a close game with us going into the 4th with a one score lead. If that's the scenario I really hope we don't go conservative and just try to milk the clock.

Agree with this assessment. I’m not overly concerned with getting pushed around up front. We have an experienced line that knows how to run the blocking scheme. We just need to be able to get to their second level. LB is their biggest weakness. We will see what Barbay draws up. They run a 4-2-5 base so maybe some two back sets are the ticket.

[AtlAppMan]

As mentioned earlier a huge key to our success- in every game but more so against tougher competition is discipline. We can't have the drive killer personal foul penalties that put us in those 2nd and 25 situations. We seem to have a few guys every year who get a little too hyped up and make stupid penalties.

The trenches are always huge. They appear to have depth and experience on the front 4 and it's going to be a challenge to control the line and to sustain drives. Our backs are going to have to block and the receivers will have to get quick separation. Hard to imagine too many long developing pass plays.

On defense we absolutely must stay in our lanes and we need to mix up some looks with a good bit of blitz packages. Take Downs out of the picture and make inexperienced guys beat us.

I can see a close game with us going into the 4th with a one score lead. If that's the scenario I really hope we don't go conservative and just try to milk the clock.

Agree with this assessment. I’m not overly concerned with getting pushed around up front. We have an experienced line that knows how to run the blocking scheme. We just need to be able to get to their second level. LB is their biggest weakness. We will see what Barbay draws up. They run a 4-2-5 base so maybe some two back sets are the ticket.

The point about costly penalties is very important. I don't have the actual statistics, maybe someone can pull them together, but it "feels" like the last couple years we have been incurring more at very critical times than a few years ago. I may be wrong but it feels that way. If we have 100 yrds of penalties then that means we have to generate an extra 100 yrds of offense or defensive stopping to make up for those yards "lost".

[AtlAppMan]

I checked our AppStateSports site and here are the penalties stats for last few years. So upon further analysis we are improving year over year under Clark. Hopefully we continue this trend. What this doesn't show is when the penalties occurred, i.e. critical/close games, blowout games, other details, etc. but bottomline it is a positive trend

Year - App St Avg yds/gm
2021 - 53.14
2020 - 67.58
2019 - 64.2
2018 - 57.8
2017 - 64

[AppSt94]

As mentioned earlier a huge key to our success- in every game but more so against tougher competition is discipline. We can't have the drive killer personal foul penalties that put us in those 2nd and 25 situations. We seem to have a few guys every year who get a little too hyped up and make stupid penalties.

The trenches are always huge. They appear to have depth and experience on the front 4 and it's going to be a challenge to control the line and to sustain drives. Our backs are going to have to block and the receivers will have to get quick separation. Hard to imagine too many long developing pass plays.

On defense we absolutely must stay in our lanes and we need to mix up some looks with a good bit of blitz packages. Take Downs out of the picture and make inexperienced guys beat us.

I can see a close game with us going into the 4th with a one score lead. If that's the scenario I really hope we don't go conservative and just try to milk the clock.

Agree with this assessment. I’m not overly concerned with getting pushed around up front. We have an experienced line that knows how to run the blocking scheme. We just need to be able to get to their second level. LB is their biggest weakness. We will see what Barbay draws up. They run a 4-2-5 base so maybe some two back sets are the ticket.

The point about costly penalties is very important. I don't have the actual statistics, maybe someone can pull them together, but it "feels" like the last couple years we have been incurring more at very critical times than a few years ago. I may be wrong but it feels that way. If we have 100 yrds of penalties then that means we have to generate an extra 100 yrds of offense or defensive stopping to make up for those yards "lost".

I can provide general numbers but getting specific data for what you are suggesting would require pouring over game logs and as much as I love statistical breakdowns, that’s a lot. Lol. The data readily available only speaks to cumulative numbers. Over the last four seasons, we have averaged 6.6 penalties per game for 60.5 yards. 2020 was the high numbers with 7.3 for 67 yds. Taking into consideration that is inclusive of both offense and defense (or Special Teams), it’s hard to know which group is more problematic.

So while I don’t have the data to support or refute your assertion that they seem to be happening more frequently, I think that we can all agree that the drive killing and extending penalties are the ones that stick out the most in our memory banks.

I was typing this up as you hit submit.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

Anyone know why the noon game time? I hate that, assume TV schedule?

Yep. Blame ESPN for that one.

It’s better than ESPN+ PBS. Just sayin.

Updated it for you.

[AtlAppMan]

As mentioned earlier a huge key to our success- in every game but more so against tougher competition is discipline. We can't have the drive killer personal foul penalties that put us in those 2nd and 25 situations. We seem to have a few guys every year who get a little too hyped up and make stupid penalties.

The trenches are always huge. They appear to have depth and experience on the front 4 and it's going to be a challenge to control the line and to sustain drives. Our backs are going to have to block and the receivers will have to get quick separation. Hard to imagine too many long developing pass plays.

On defense we absolutely must stay in our lanes and we need to mix up some looks with a good bit of blitz packages. Take Downs out of the picture and make inexperienced guys beat us.

I can see a close game with us going into the 4th with a one score lead. If that's the scenario I really hope we don't go conservative and just try to milk the clock.

Agree with this assessment. I’m not overly concerned with getting pushed around up front. We have an experienced line that knows how to run the blocking scheme. We just need to be able to get to their second level. LB is their biggest weakness. We will see what Barbay draws up. They run a 4-2-5 base so maybe some two back sets are the ticket.

The point about costly penalties is very important. I don't have the actual statistics, maybe someone can pull them together, but it "feels" like the last couple years we have been incurring more at very critical times than a few years ago. I may be wrong but it feels that way. If we have 100 yrds of penalties then that means we have to generate an extra 100 yrds of offense or defensive stopping to make up for those yards "lost".

I can provide general numbers but getting specific data for what you are suggesting would require pouring over game logs and as much as I love statistical breakdowns, that’s a lot. Lol. The data readily available only speaks to cumulative numbers. Over the last four seasons, we have averaged 6.6 penalties per game for 60.5 yards. 2020 was the high numbers with 7.3 for 67 yds. Taking into consideration that is inclusive of both offense and defense (or Special Teams), it’s hard to know which group is more problematic.

So while I don’t have the data to support or refute your assertion that they seem to be happening more frequently, I think that we can all agree that the drive killing and extending penalties are the ones that stick out the most in our memory banks.

I was typing this up as you hit submit.

One of the observations I have made in years past going all the way back to FCS days was that the more prolific our offense, and defense, the more "margin for error" we had. This is an obvious statement but the point is, if you are putting up big numbers on offense (without sacrificing your defense, you have more room for error. In the days before our spread offense, every little mistake was magnified. When we cranked up the dial on the offense with the spread and started rolling teams up and down the field, the impact from each penalty was less of a factor.

[AppSt94]

It’s like Bobby Bowden said. “When you are good, the penalties are from being aggressive. When you are bad, you’re undisciplined.”

[AppSt94]

Anyone know why the noon game time? I hate that, assume TV schedule?

Yep. Blame ESPN for that one.

It’s better than ESPN+ PBS. Just sayin.

Updated it for you.

#TRUTH

[bigdaddyg]

As mentioned earlier a huge key to our success- in every game but more so against tougher competition is discipline. We can't have the drive killer personal foul penalties that put us in those 2nd and 25 situations. We seem to have a few guys every year who get a little too hyped up and make stupid penalties.

The trenches are always huge. They appear to have depth and experience on the front 4 and it's going to be a challenge to control the line and to sustain drives. Our backs are going to have to block and the receivers will have to get quick separation. Hard to imagine too many long developing pass plays.

On defense we absolutely must stay in our lanes and we need to mix up some looks with a good bit of blitz packages. Take Downs out of the picture and make inexperienced guys beat us.

I can see a close game with us going into the 4th with a one score lead. If that's the scenario I really hope we don't go conservative and just try to milk the clock.

Agree with this assessment. I’m not overly concerned with getting pushed around up front. We have an experienced line that knows how to run the blocking scheme. We just need to be able to get to their second level. LB is their biggest weakness. We will see what Barbay draws up. They run a 4-2-5 base so maybe some two back sets are the ticket.

The point about costly penalties is very important. I don't have the actual statistics, maybe someone can pull them together, but it "feels" like the last couple years we have been incurring more at very critical times than a few years ago. I may be wrong but it feels that way. If we have 100 yrds of penalties then that means we have to generate an extra 100 yrds of offense or defensive stopping to make up for those yards "lost".

I can provide general numbers but getting specific data for what you are suggesting would require pouring over game logs and as much as I love statistical breakdowns, that’s a lot. Lol. The data readily available only speaks to cumulative numbers. Over the last four seasons, we have averaged 6.6 penalties per game for 60.5 yards. 2020 was the high numbers with 7.3 for 67 yds. Taking into consideration that is inclusive of both offense and defense (or Special Teams), it’s hard to know which group is more problematic.

So while I don’t have the data to support or refute your assertion that they seem to be happening more frequently, I think that we can all agree that the drive killing and extending penalties are the ones that stick out the most in our memory banks.

I was typing this up as you hit submit.

One of the observations I have made in years past going all the way back to FCS days was that the more prolific our offense, and defense, the more "margin for error" we had. This is an obvious statement but the point is, if you are putting up big numbers on offense (without sacrificing your defense, you have more room for error. In the days before our spread offense, every little mistake was magnified. When we cranked up the dial on the offense with the spread and started rolling teams up and down the field, the impact from each penalty was less of a factor.

In basketball they look at points off of turnovers- if you create turnovers defensively but don't score enough that effort was wasted. Same for football. If you turn it over but the defense bails you out that obviously helps. If the offense stalls and gets no points after a takeaway obviously doesn't help.

I've always thought that sacks is not really a great stat. It depends on what the offense does after a sack. A sack can be a one yard or 15 yard loss. If we sack a QB for a ten yard loss but then he converts a long pass for a first down that sack was negated. Same thought process for a penalty. If we have a personal foul pushing us behind the sticks and it kills a drive that's huge. If we get a holding penalty but then hit a big play no biggie.

I just seem to recall some untimely bad penalties in some big games that almost hurt or did hurt us. If we are blowing out ULM and we rack up some penalties it doesn't really matter. I hope we blow these guys out but more likely it's a close game and we need to control TOP. Hard to do if some dude loses his mind and drills a guy out of bounds or has a targeting penalty.

[AppSt94]

There appears to be an untapped metric here. ^^^^^

I wouldn’t mind tracking it this season if you want to provide some parameters for data analysis.