UNC game discussion

[Howard Street Hooligan]

Watching tape is a subjective opinion. Just ask Ericsaid. The coaches are really high on Burger. You don’t make a True Freshman 2A on your depth chart and then go get a second stringer from another team.

Not saying it's realistic but I like Criswell's upside and it would be nice to have a guy like that as our QB for several years.

The coaches feel Burger is better than Criswell. The coaches think Burger has a chance to be the best pure QB that's ever worn the black and gold.

His arm talent is already better than Brice and Thomas. His decision making is light years ahead of any QB we've had as a true freshman. He obviously still has work to do, but barring an injury the staff will not be bringing in a guy to start. Not saying they won't go after Criswell, but if they do, they'll be very clear he's not the front runner.

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

You're right, I don't know for a fact. But considering I played for some of this staff, I have some insight others don't.

We will still recruit at least 1 QB every year. The difference is the staff doesn't feel the need to bring in a transfer in the next recruiting class like they did the previous two. We can get back to recruiting at the high school level for QBs now.

They brought in McBride as a just in case Burger didn't pan out like they thought he would (and God forbid injuries). Burger panned out better than they thought he would so he already passed McBride on the depth chart.

Bottom line -- we've missed on majority of our HS QB recruits recently. With Burger, we've hit the jackpot. He's developing faster than anticipated. One coach told me last week if Burger had to start, they would feel just as comfortable winning. And remember, this is a coach I played for and have a relationship with. It's not just coach speak.

They do plan on redshirting him if possible to have him as a 4 year starter after Brice.

So again, I can't guarantee they won't go after Criswell. What I can guarantee is if they do, he will be told Burger is the front runner and Criswell will have to be basically perfect to surpass him.

I respect your opinion and hope you're right. That's my opinion on the QB situation though.

[AppStateNews]

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

Criswell very well could be the better athlete. He very well could be the better QB in another system. In our system, Burger is the better option. Burger has better arm talent than Criswell from film. Criswell is more athletic, but that's not what we need. We need accuracy and timing with the right reads. Burger is better at that.

If it were like the old school QB challenge show, Burger would win in all throwing competitions head to head. Criswell would like win in all running competitions head to head. Our system and coaches put more of an emphasis on the passing part. And Burger is athletic enough to run what we run. Criswell is just inaccurate enough to not run what we run.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

when did i say it wouldn't help him??

Criswell absolutely has a better arm though and from the looks of all the videos floating around, seems to be more accurate, imo. The guy wasn't invited to the elite 11 because he wasn't a talented passer. Criswell is a faster version of Sam Howell by the looks of it so I think your assessment is wrong. When he goes to Arkansas or some school like that and does well, I'm going to come back and say I told you so. Burger will probably be fine, but we need MORE than fine.

Well I'll trust the coaches more than some hooligan from Howard street. We're all allowed to have our opinions. Burgers arm talent is way ahead of Criswell. It's honestly not close right now. But, you believe what you want to believe.

Just curious -- how many of the practices have you been to in Boone to see Burger in action? Likewise, at UNC? I can all but guarantee I've been to at least 10 more than you to both. Sure, I'm an App homer, but taking off the rose colored glasses, Burger is a better passer than Criswell. Criswell makes stuff happen with his feet that Burger cannot do, but he doesn't need to in our scheme.

I hope Criswell goes somewhere and does well. He's a good kid and a good talent. He's just inaccurate and makes poor decisions. All things that can be coached. Also, his skill sets will work in systems that Burgers won't.

Burger is the better QB for us and what we do.
Maybe that will appease you?

Not every QB is going to fit every system. Criswell doesn't fit our system. We will not be offering him a scholarship.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

Criswell very well could be the better athlete. He very well could be the better QB in another system. In our system, Burger is the better option. Burger has better arm talent than Criswell from film. Criswell is more athletic, but that's not what we need. We need accuracy and timing with the right reads. Burger is better at that.

If it were like the old school QB challenge show, Burger would win in all throwing competitions head to head. Criswell would like win in all running competitions head to head. Our system and coaches put more of an emphasis on the passing part. And Burger is athletic enough to run what we run. Criswell is just inaccurate enough to not run what we run.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

when did i say it wouldn't help him??

Criswell absolutely has a better arm though and from the looks of all the videos floating around, seems to be more accurate, imo. The guy wasn't invited to the elite 11 because he wasn't a talented passer. Criswell is a faster version of Sam Howell by the looks of it so I think your assessment is wrong. When he goes to Arkansas or some school like that and does well, I'm going to come back and say I told you so. Burger will probably be fine, but we need MORE than fine.

Well I'll trust the coaches more than some hooligan from Howard street. We're all allowed to have our opinions. Burgers arm talent is way ahead of Criswell. It's honestly not close right now. But, you believe what you want to believe.

Just curious -- how many of the practices have you been to in Boone to see Burger in action? Likewise, at UNC? I can all but guarantee I've been to at least 10 more than you to both. Sure, I'm an App homer, but taking off the rose colored glasses, Burger is a better passer than Criswell. Criswell makes stuff happen with his feet that Burger cannot do, but he doesn't need to in our scheme.

I hope Criswell goes somewhere and does well. He's a good kid and a good talent. He's just inaccurate and makes poor decisions. All things that can be coached. Also, his skill sets will work in systems that Burgers won't.

Burger is the better QB for us and what we do.
Maybe that will appease you?

Not every QB is going to fit every system. Criswell doesn't fit our system. We will not be offering him a scholarship.

Just curious -- how many of the practices have you been to in Boone to see Burger in action? Likewise, at UNC? I can all but guarantee I've been to at least 10 more than you to both. Sure, I'm an App homer, but taking off the rose colored glasses, Burger is a better passer than Criswell. Criswell makes stuff happen with his feet that Burger cannot do, but he doesn't need to in our scheme.

You do realize it's 2022? I don't need to go to practice to make a somewhat decent evaluation of a QB. There's films and videos out there all around. And then when you read quotes from players on current team talking about how much they like Criswell, I'll take that as well.

Like you said, we've missed on young QB's lately, so that does worry me. You have your opinion, i have mine. Is what it is

I kind of think we need a QB that make some things happen more with his legs or more so than we've had recently. since you're so in tune with it all then, why was Burger the 111th (depending on the site) best QB coming out? It's not like he played at a high school nobody has heard of.

[Seattleapp]

Not saying it's realistic but I like Criswell's upside and it would be nice to have a guy like that as our QB for several years.

The coaches feel Burger is better than Criswell. The coaches think Burger has a chance to be the best pure QB that's ever worn the black and gold.

His arm talent is already better than Brice and Thomas. His decision making is light years ahead of any QB we've had as a true freshman. He obviously still has work to do, but barring an injury the staff will not be bringing in a guy to start. Not saying they won't go after Criswell, but if they do, they'll be very clear he's not the front runner.

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

He’s now been beaten out by now two quarterbacks at UNC. How can the coaches rave about him but he’s not beating out a true freshman. I’m not saying he’s not good but UNC ain’t Bama. He didn’t get beat out by Archie Manning. And he got no significant playing time last week against FAMU. Seems like you might be higher on him than the coaching staff at UNC. And Sam Howell is not one of the best quarterbacks in ACC history. You seem a bit tar heel homery

[Howard Street Hooligan]

The coaches feel Burger is better than Criswell. The coaches think Burger has a chance to be the best pure QB that's ever worn the black and gold.

His arm talent is already better than Brice and Thomas. His decision making is light years ahead of any QB we've had as a true freshman. He obviously still has work to do, but barring an injury the staff will not be bringing in a guy to start. Not saying they won't go after Criswell, but if they do, they'll be very clear he's not the front runner.

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

He’s now been beaten out by now two quarterbacks at UNC. How can the coaches rave about him but he’s not beating out a true freshman. I’m not saying he’s not good but UNC ain’t Bama. He didn’t get beat out by Archie Manning. And he got no significant playing time last week against FAMU. Seems like you might be higher on him than the coaching staff at UNC. And Sam Howell is not one of the best quarterbacks in ACC history. You seem a bit tar heel homery

He got beat out by a five star, top 50 player in the country. Do you people watch football, honestly, other than the Sun Belt?

[AppStateNews]

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

Criswell very well could be the better athlete. He very well could be the better QB in another system. In our system, Burger is the better option. Burger has better arm talent than Criswell from film. Criswell is more athletic, but that's not what we need. We need accuracy and timing with the right reads. Burger is better at that.

If it were like the old school QB challenge show, Burger would win in all throwing competitions head to head. Criswell would like win in all running competitions head to head. Our system and coaches put more of an emphasis on the passing part. And Burger is athletic enough to run what we run. Criswell is just inaccurate enough to not run what we run.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

when did i say it wouldn't help him??

Criswell absolutely has a better arm though and from the looks of all the videos floating around, seems to be more accurate, imo. The guy wasn't invited to the elite 11 because he wasn't a talented passer. Criswell is a faster version of Sam Howell by the looks of it so I think your assessment is wrong. When he goes to Arkansas or some school like that and does well, I'm going to come back and say I told you so. Burger will probably be fine, but we need MORE than fine.

Well I'll trust the coaches more than some hooligan from Howard street. We're all allowed to have our opinions. Burgers arm talent is way ahead of Criswell. It's honestly not close right now. But, you believe what you want to believe.

Just curious -- how many of the practices have you been to in Boone to see Burger in action? Likewise, at UNC? I can all but guarantee I've been to at least 10 more than you to both. Sure, I'm an App homer, but taking off the rose colored glasses, Burger is a better passer than Criswell. Criswell makes stuff happen with his feet that Burger cannot do, but he doesn't need to in our scheme.

I hope Criswell goes somewhere and does well. He's a good kid and a good talent. He's just inaccurate and makes poor decisions. All things that can be coached. Also, his skill sets will work in systems that Burgers won't.

Burger is the better QB for us and what we do.
Maybe that will appease you?

Not every QB is going to fit every system. Criswell doesn't fit our system. We will not be offering him a scholarship.

I kind of think we need a QB that make some things happen more with his legs or more so than we've had recently. since you're so in tune with it all then, why was Burger the 111th (depending on the site) best QB coming out? It's not like he played at a high school nobody has heard of.

Same reason Grayson McCall was in the same range. The same reason DMarco Jackson, Darrynton Evans, Jalin Moore, et al were also ranked lower.

On the flip side, the last two highly ranked QBs we had commit to us, never saw the field. One had to drop down to d2 (maybe d3) to get a shot. The other just isn't playing football any more. The recruiting services aren't perfect.

Sometimes kids just aren't seen. And the thought on Burger was his WR made his numbers look better than what they would have been. But, when said WR (who went to Clemson) was injured for a few games, Burger put up better numbers. Burger also more or less shut down his recruitment early. If he didn't do that, he would have got a couple P5 offers and his ranking would have sky rocketed.

You may want a QB that does more with his legs than what we have. But, coaches would rather an accurate passer with enough athleticism to get out of the pocket when needed. Typically, a QB that is extremely athletic does not stay in the pocket. That's what we need in our system -- a QB that's going to stay in the pocket a little longer and throw an accurate pass but can still escape as needed (but not depend on it like Criswell does) and athletic enough to move the chains in designed runs.

[Seattleapp]

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

He’s now been beaten out by now two quarterbacks at UNC. How can the coaches rave about him but he’s not beating out a true freshman. I’m not saying he’s not good but UNC ain’t Bama. He didn’t get beat out by Archie Manning. And he got no significant playing time last week against FAMU. Seems like you might be higher on him than the coaching staff at UNC. And Sam Howell is not one of the best quarterbacks in ACC history. You seem a bit tar heel homery

He got beat out by a five star, top 50 player in the country. Do you people watch football, honestly, other than the Sun Belt?

you are one raving about how good he is. He’s so good except he’s not starting at UNC. Maye is also good. No one says anything except you are telling us he’s lost out to one of the best quarterbacks in acc history (not true btw) and now one of the best freshman quarterbacks in the country (remains to be seen). All I’m saying is you are really inflating the quarterbacks at UNC in general

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

No thanks on Criswell. Maybe he has a great accurate arm, but he was recruited over and beat out for a reason. Maye didn’t decommit from Alabama to not start. UNC wouldn’t have offered him to start if Criswell was good enough. Maybe players don’t like him or maybe he has a hard time picking up schemes. Also, he’ll be Junior with no meaningful starting experience next year.

[Seattleapp]

No thanks on Criswell. Maybe he has a great accurate arm, but he was recruited over and beat out for a reason. Maye didn’t decommit from Alabama to not start. UNC wouldn’t have offered him to start if Criswell was good enough. Maybe players don’t like him or maybe he has a hard time picking up schemes. Also, he’ll be Junior with no meaningful starting experience next year.

Yeah but he’s at Carolina so that automatically makes him better than anyone we have. This week is gonna be hard for some of our closet UNC fans

[BallantyneApp]

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

He’s now been beaten out by now two quarterbacks at UNC. How can the coaches rave about him but he’s not beating out a true freshman. I’m not saying he’s not good but UNC ain’t Bama. He didn’t get beat out by Archie Manning. And he got no significant playing time last week against FAMU. Seems like you might be higher on him than the coaching staff at UNC. And Sam Howell is not one of the best quarterbacks in ACC history. You seem a bit tar heel homery

He got beat out by a five star, top 50 player in the country. Do you people watch football, honestly, other than the Sun Belt?

nobody wants the tar hole throw aways. If he can't start for a lower program than us, what makes you think he'd be successful here?

I have a strong suspicion you are one of those UNC/App hybrid fans with your weird obsession with getting their backup qb.

[AppStFan1]

Here are notes from the Mack Brown presser today. Read the bolded part. That is absolute coach speak. He knows we truly have no reason to beat them. Anything less than a 25 point win for UNC is underachieving and he would be embarrassed if this is a one score game or we win. At this point in his stint as HC they should be able to lose half their starters and still win. He is using this to motivate his guys. The odds makers are doing him a favor by making the line even or giving us a 1-1.5 point advantage.

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — North Carolina coach Mack Brown is meeting with reporters Monday for his first media availability of the week that leads to Saturday’s game at Appalachian State.

The Tar Heels are coming off their 56-24 defeat of Florida A&M during the weekend, a season-opening victory highlighted by quarterback Drake Maye’s five touchdown passes in his first college start.

UNC’s visit to Boone, N.C., will mark App State’s first game of the new football season. Here are our running notes from what Brown is saying at Kenan Football Center …

— Star receiver Josh Downs (knee) and defensive back Tony Grimes (upper-body injury) will be evaluated throughout the week, and their statuses will be updated on Saturday.

— Brown says UNC’s players of the game from Florida A&M were Maye (offense), linebacker Power Echols (defense) and Obi Egbuna (special teams). “Those three guys played so well.”

— Brown says somewhat unsung players from the FAMU game were running back D.J. Jones and defensive back DeAndre Boykins. Brown says Jones, the Tar Heels’ starter at running back, “did so many things in protection to help us and save us in a couple instances when we cold’ve had a sack. Brown says Boykins played 68 snaps in an effort to help pick up the slack in the secondary after Grimes exited due to injury in the first quarter.

— Brown also notes defensive back Storm Duck played more against Florida A&M than UNC planned on using him. “Dontae Balfour played a lot more,” Brown says. True freshman defensive back Marcus Allen played more than expected, too, Brown says.

— Brown underlines certain areas out of the opener that are prime indicators for winning games. The Tar Heels led by a whopping 314-56 in rushing yards, had three fewer penalties (five to FAMU’s eight), and had more quarterback sacks (three to FAMU’s none).

— Brown says on the defense the Tar Heels “felt like we needed to cover a little better to make them hold it longer” and provide their pass rush more chances to pressure Florida A&M quarterback Jeremy Moussa. “They were getting the ball out so fast and we still had three sacks.”

— Brown on the FAMU game: “Felt like overall we did a really good job in the ballgame. A lot of things to work on. A lot of things that need to be fixed.”

— Brown says “really like the fact that we got our tight ends involved … They haven’t been that big a threat in the past.” Maye hit 10 different receivers and two of his touchdown passes went to tight ends Kamari Morales and Bryson Nesbit.

— Brown says he’s quite pleased, given the number of relatively inexperienced pieces on that side of the ball, that UNC’s offense didn’t have a turnover against Florida A&M. “That’s the way you win games.”

— Brown on the effects of Grimes’ early injury, which occurred on FAMU’s eighth offensive play of the game. “It was really good to get those young defensive backs from playing time when Tony came out,” he says, “because we’re going to need them.”

— Brown on the approaching App State game. “It’s been sold out for months. … They’re one of the best programs in the country. They play with confidence.”

— “We’ve got a lot of ties to App State,” Brown says, mentioning his time there at the Mountaineers coach (1983), and other stints in Boone for UNC senior advisor Sparky Woods, assistant coach Lonnie Galloway, and recruiting coordinator Alex White.

— Brown on the sustained success App State has enjoyed on the FCS and Group of Five level. “They just keep doing that they do,” he says. “They are very well-coached. They do an amazing job in evaluation in recruiting.” He points out that coach Shawn Clark is a disciple of the legendary Jerry Moore.

— Brown notes the Tar Heels are about to face quarterback Chase Brice for the third time, with three difference teams. Brice started all 14 games for App State last season. He backed up Trevor Lawrence at Clemson in 2019, and was Duke’s starter in the 2020 season.

— “All odds are against us this weekend,” Brown says. “We’re banged up. We’re taking a first-year quarterback to Boone and they’ve got a sixth-year guy.”

— On the redshirt freshman Maye, who added 55 rushing yards to his 294 passing yards against Florida A&M. “His ability to run is something that people have not seen, but we’ve seen in practice,” Brown says. Maye had a 42-yard run that set up his first touchdown pass of the first game.

— On true freshman running backs Omarion Hampton and George Pettaway, who combined for 152 rushing yards and three touchdowns in the opener. “I thought both young backs were anxious early in the game,” Brown says. He says both improved and adjusted as the game progressed.

— Brown says the Tar Heels practiced for about an hour Sunday, in part to get body soreness worked out from the FAMU opener. “You can really see who’s hurting and who’s not.”

— Brown on any potential changes to the UNC running back rotation, with five players in the mix there: “I think we’ve just got to see. They’re all good. … Obviously, Omarion’s a load.” Brown says assistant coach Larry Porter says it appeared that Hampton was trying to run over Florida A&M defenders too often early in the game.

— Brown on his one season as the head coach at App State: “It was a special time. I love the place.” … “They all want us to lose, all my mountain friends.” He notes that he’s had a place in the NC mountains for about 30 years.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

He’s now been beaten out by now two quarterbacks at UNC. How can the coaches rave about him but he’s not beating out a true freshman. I’m not saying he’s not good but UNC ain’t Bama. He didn’t get beat out by Archie Manning. And he got no significant playing time last week against FAMU. Seems like you might be higher on him than the coaching staff at UNC. And Sam Howell is not one of the best quarterbacks in ACC history. You seem a bit tar heel homery

He got beat out by a five star, top 50 player in the country. Do you people watch football, honestly, other than the Sun Belt?

you are one raving about how good he is. He’s so good except he’s not starting at UNC. Maye is also good. No one says anything except you are telling us he’s lost out to one of the best quarterbacks in acc history (not true btw) and now one of the best freshman quarterbacks in the country (remains to be seen). All I’m saying is you are really inflating the quarterbacks at UNC in general

Statistically, Howell is. That's not really debatable. They're recruited some highly touted and talented QB's recently, again not really debatable.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

He’s now been beaten out by now two quarterbacks at UNC. How can the coaches rave about him but he’s not beating out a true freshman. I’m not saying he’s not good but UNC ain’t Bama. He didn’t get beat out by Archie Manning. And he got no significant playing time last week against FAMU. Seems like you might be higher on him than the coaching staff at UNC. And Sam Howell is not one of the best quarterbacks in ACC history. You seem a bit tar heel homery

He got beat out by a five star, top 50 player in the country. Do you people watch football, honestly, other than the Sun Belt?

nobody wants the tar hole throw aways. If he can't start for a lower program than us, what makes you think he'd be successful here?

I have a strong suspicion you are one of those UNC/App hybrid fans with your weird obsession with getting their backup qb.

Chase Brice was arguably the worst QB in P5 and came here and has been solid for App. I have a strong suspicion Criswell would crush the numbers he's put up while providing some things we haven't had in a QB recently. I never said it was ACTUALLY doable or going to happen, but what I would like if I could recruit.

[AppStateNews]

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

Criswell very well could be the better athlete. He very well could be the better QB in another system. In our system, Burger is the better option. Burger has better arm talent than Criswell from film. Criswell is more athletic, but that's not what we need. We need accuracy and timing with the right reads. Burger is better at that.

If it were like the old school QB challenge show, Burger would win in all throwing competitions head to head. Criswell would like win in all running competitions head to head. Our system and coaches put more of an emphasis on the passing part. And Burger is athletic enough to run what we run. Criswell is just inaccurate enough to not run what we run.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

when did i say it wouldn't help him??

Criswell absolutely has a better arm though and from the looks of all the videos floating around, seems to be more accurate, imo. The guy wasn't invited to the elite 11 because he wasn't a talented passer. Criswell is a faster version of Sam Howell by the looks of it so I think your assessment is wrong. When he goes to Arkansas or some school like that and does well, I'm going to come back and say I told you so. Burger will probably be fine, but we need MORE than fine.

Well I'll trust the coaches more than some hooligan from Howard street. We're all allowed to have our opinions. Burgers arm talent is way ahead of Criswell. It's honestly not close right now. But, you believe what you want to believe.

Just curious -- how many of the practices have you been to in Boone to see Burger in action? Likewise, at UNC? I can all but guarantee I've been to at least 10 more than you to both. Sure, I'm an App homer, but taking off the rose colored glasses, Burger is a better passer than Criswell. Criswell makes stuff happen with his feet that Burger cannot do, but he doesn't need to in our scheme.

I hope Criswell goes somewhere and does well. He's a good kid and a good talent. He's just inaccurate and makes poor decisions. All things that can be coached. Also, his skill sets will work in systems that Burgers won't.

Burger is the better QB for us and what we do.
Maybe that will appease you?

Not every QB is going to fit every system. Criswell doesn't fit our system. We will not be offering him a scholarship.

Just curious -- how many of the practices have you been to in Boone to see Burger in action? Likewise, at UNC? I can all but guarantee I've been to at least 10 more than you to both. Sure, I'm an App homer, but taking off the rose colored glasses, Burger is a better passer than Criswell. Criswell makes stuff happen with his feet that Burger cannot do, but he doesn't need to in our scheme.

You do realize it's 2022? I don't need to go to practice to make a somewhat decent evaluation of a QB. There's films and videos out there all around. And then when you read quotes from players on current team talking about how much they like Criswell, I'll take that as well.

Like you said, we've missed on young QB's lately, so that does worry me. You have your opinion, i have mine. Is what it is

I kind of think we need a QB that make some things happen more with his legs or more so than we've had recently. since you're so in tune with it all then, why was Burger the 111th (depending on the site) best QB coming out? It's not like he played at a high school nobody has heard of.

If you think they're putting all is throws on these reels in social media, you're only fooling yourself. They're putting his good throws. Nothing more, nothing less. His good throws are spot on. Problem is he has a lot of bad throws mixed in (typically due to a poor read).

I'm done discussing this though. We won't be offering Criswell a scholarship (barring career ending injuries). We have the QB of the near future in the room already. Remember, scholarships are not unlimited. There is zero need (again, as of now) to waste a scholarship on a transfer QB. If Criswell wants to walk on and earn his chance to start, I'm sure the staff will take him with open arms. But he is not getting a scholarship as a transfer student athlete.

I hope you don't have a baby blue jersey under your black and gold, but it certainly seems like you do. To each their own.

[AppSt94]

Just stop Mr. Criswell. Your son isn’t coming here.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

He’s now been beaten out by now two quarterbacks at UNC. How can the coaches rave about him but he’s not beating out a true freshman. I’m not saying he’s not good but UNC ain’t Bama. He didn’t get beat out by Archie Manning. And he got no significant playing time last week against FAMU. Seems like you might be higher on him than the coaching staff at UNC. And Sam Howell is not one of the best quarterbacks in ACC history. You seem a bit tar heel homery

He got beat out by a five star, top 50 player in the country. Do you people watch football, honestly, other than the Sun Belt?

nobody wants the tar hole throw aways. If he can't start for a lower program than us, what makes you think he'd be successful here?

I have a strong suspicion you are one of those UNC/App hybrid fans with your weird obsession with getting their backup qb.

Chase Brice was arguably the worst QB in P5 and came here and has been solid for App. I have a strong suspicion Criswell would crush the numbers he's put up while providing some things we haven't had in a QB recently. I never said it was ACTUALLY doable or going to happen, but what I would like if I could recruit.

Yet Chase got meaningful minutes at Clemson and started at Duke who is UNC’s football equivalent.

[Seattleapp]

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

He’s now been beaten out by now two quarterbacks at UNC. How can the coaches rave about him but he’s not beating out a true freshman. I’m not saying he’s not good but UNC ain’t Bama. He didn’t get beat out by Archie Manning. And he got no significant playing time last week against FAMU. Seems like you might be higher on him than the coaching staff at UNC. And Sam Howell is not one of the best quarterbacks in ACC history. You seem a bit tar heel homery

He got beat out by a five star, top 50 player in the country. Do you people watch football, honestly, other than the Sun Belt?

nobody wants the tar hole throw aways. If he can't start for a lower program than us, what makes you think he'd be successful here?

I have a strong suspicion you are one of those UNC/App hybrid fans with your weird obsession with getting their backup qb.

Chase Brice was arguably the worst QB in P5 and came here and has been solid for App. I have a strong suspicion Criswell would crush the numbers he's put up while providing some things we haven't had in a QB recently. I never said it was ACTUALLY doable or going to happen, but what I would like if I could recruit.

Good grief man. Are you gonna be in the Ram’s Club seating Saturday? We get it. You love Carolina. You don’t have to keep selling it to us. And Howell put up big numbers for bad teams. But I’ll rattle off 20 quarterbacks that were better in the ACC. I’m not really getting your Carolina Blue homerism as they are fixing to play your supposed school. And you have exactly zero evidence to support Criswell “crushing” numbers. When are you gonna change your avatar to EricChuchappheel?

[AppStateNews]

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

He’s now been beaten out by now two quarterbacks at UNC. How can the coaches rave about him but he’s not beating out a true freshman. I’m not saying he’s not good but UNC ain’t Bama. He didn’t get beat out by Archie Manning. And he got no significant playing time last week against FAMU. Seems like you might be higher on him than the coaching staff at UNC. And Sam Howell is not one of the best quarterbacks in ACC history. You seem a bit tar heel homery

He got beat out by a five star, top 50 player in the country. Do you people watch football, honestly, other than the Sun Belt?

nobody wants the tar hole throw aways. If he can't start for a lower program than us, what makes you think he'd be successful here?

I have a strong suspicion you are one of those UNC/App hybrid fans with your weird obsession with getting their backup qb.

Chase Brice was arguably the worst QB in P5 and came here and has been solid for App. I have a strong suspicion Criswell would crush the numbers he's put up while providing some things we haven't had in a QB recently. I never said it was ACTUALLY doable or going to happen, but what I would like if I could recruit.

If you could recruit, you'd go after Criswell. Fair. Would you change the entire offensive scheme too? Because you would have to for Criswell to succeed.

Tell me you've never played football without telling me you've never played football.

[Seattleapp]

Just stop Mr. Criswell. Your son isn’t coming here.

Hahahahhahahha!!!!!! But my boys the best player. You just don’t know talent

[Howard Street Hooligan]

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

Criswell very well could be the better athlete. He very well could be the better QB in another system. In our system, Burger is the better option. Burger has better arm talent than Criswell from film. Criswell is more athletic, but that's not what we need. We need accuracy and timing with the right reads. Burger is better at that.

If it were like the old school QB challenge show, Burger would win in all throwing competitions head to head. Criswell would like win in all running competitions head to head. Our system and coaches put more of an emphasis on the passing part. And Burger is athletic enough to run what we run. Criswell is just inaccurate enough to not run what we run.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

when did i say it wouldn't help him??

Criswell absolutely has a better arm though and from the looks of all the videos floating around, seems to be more accurate, imo. The guy wasn't invited to the elite 11 because he wasn't a talented passer. Criswell is a faster version of Sam Howell by the looks of it so I think your assessment is wrong. When he goes to Arkansas or some school like that and does well, I'm going to come back and say I told you so. Burger will probably be fine, but we need MORE than fine.

Well I'll trust the coaches more than some hooligan from Howard street. We're all allowed to have our opinions. Burgers arm talent is way ahead of Criswell. It's honestly not close right now. But, you believe what you want to believe.

Just curious -- how many of the practices have you been to in Boone to see Burger in action? Likewise, at UNC? I can all but guarantee I've been to at least 10 more than you to both. Sure, I'm an App homer, but taking off the rose colored glasses, Burger is a better passer than Criswell. Criswell makes stuff happen with his feet that Burger cannot do, but he doesn't need to in our scheme.

I hope Criswell goes somewhere and does well. He's a good kid and a good talent. He's just inaccurate and makes poor decisions. All things that can be coached. Also, his skill sets will work in systems that Burgers won't.

Burger is the better QB for us and what we do.
Maybe that will appease you?

Not every QB is going to fit every system. Criswell doesn't fit our system. We will not be offering him a scholarship.

Just curious -- how many of the practices have you been to in Boone to see Burger in action? Likewise, at UNC? I can all but guarantee I've been to at least 10 more than you to both. Sure, I'm an App homer, but taking off the rose colored glasses, Burger is a better passer than Criswell. Criswell makes stuff happen with his feet that Burger cannot do, but he doesn't need to in our scheme.

You do realize it's 2022? I don't need to go to practice to make a somewhat decent evaluation of a QB. There's films and videos out there all around. And then when you read quotes from players on current team talking about how much they like Criswell, I'll take that as well.

Like you said, we've missed on young QB's lately, so that does worry me. You have your opinion, i have mine. Is what it is

I kind of think we need a QB that make some things happen more with his legs or more so than we've had recently. since you're so in tune with it all then, why was Burger the 111th (depending on the site) best QB coming out? It's not like he played at a high school nobody has heard of.

If you think they're putting all is throws on these reels in social media, you're only fooling yourself. They're putting his good throws. Nothing more, nothing less. His good throws are spot on. Problem is he has a lot of bad throws mixed in (typically do to a poor read).

I'm done discussing this though. We won't be offering Criswell a scholarship (barring career ending injuries). We have the QB of the near future in the room already. Remember, scholarships are not unlimited. There is zero need (again, as of now) to waste a scholarship on a transfer QB. If Criswell wants to walk on and earn his chance to start, I'm sure the staff will take him with open arms. But he is not getting a scholarship as a transfer student athlete.

I hope you don't have a baby blue jersey under your black and gold, but it certainly seems like you do. To each their own.

god forbid anyone comments on QB's that are likely transferring around here. You don't have to keep discussing it. I tried to end it when I said "I respect your opinion and hope you're right. That's my opinion on the QB situation though." Get back to practice though.