Montgomery Bowl

[appst89]

It has to do with the ridiculous number of bowl games.

Man, I'm still waiting for some kind of..a hint of..anything..something..that explains why me being able to watch more college football in November, December and January is a bad thing?

For a fan, there probably isn't a reason. For a school, if it takes a financial bath on said bowl then that is definitely a consideration.

[RankinApp]

For a school, if it takes a financial bath on said bowl then that is definitely a consideration.

Replace bowl with playoff game and it sounds like the same old song and dance we see every year when November rolls around.

Regardless of subdivision, schools are tweaking the numbers in attempts to paint a more rosy picture.

[appst89]

Like making the FCS playoffs is hard...

Some people will gripe about anything FBS related.

24 of 118 FCS teams make the playoffs = 21%

In 2014, there will be 38 bowl games.

76 of 122 FBS teams will make bowls = 64%

There's nothing in the OP's statement that indicates this had anything to with FCS vs. FBS. It has to do with the ridiculous number of bowl games.

If we play in it, I'll be happy and I'll go if I can, but that in no way decreases the ridiculousness of 38 bowl games, and additional ones proposed.

How does that percentage work out for G5 teams?

Based on the 2013 bowl schedule, and assuming all spots are filled, the number is 22 guaranteed spots among 57 G5 teams, or 39%. Breaking out that way does make it a little more palatable, but it's still too high.

[appst89]

For a school, if it takes a financial bath on said bowl then that is definitely a consideration.

Replace bowl with playoff game and it sounds like the same old song and dance we see every year when November rolls around.

Regardless of subdivision, schools are tweaking the numbers in attempts to paint a more rosy picture.

That we lost money on our playoff appearances is definitely an indictment of that system. That teams lose millions on bowl games is an indictment of that system. I will be extremely happy if we are able to participate in a bowl game, but I won't be happy if we lose a large sum of money in doing it. I am not convinced, nor have I seen any reliable data, that shows the exposure gained is enough to offset a financial loss.

[hapapp]

How many bowls are there for G5 teams v. the # of teams in those five conferences? It seems to me the real glut is at the P5 level.

[MountainMan]

If we were to win the SBC title, should we have the "reward" of playing the 6th place team from CUSA? Is our challenge to play a team that is probably.500?

I honestly don't know who the SBC champion would play, but as things sort themselves out over time, I'm confident the 1st place SBC team won't be playing the 6th place CUSA team. Going forward, the SBC will be very closely equivalent to (if not better than) CUSA in terms of quality.

[appst89]

How many bowls are there for G5 teams v. the # of teams in those five conferences? It seems to me the real glut is at the P5 level.

Already answered that......there are 22 guaranteed bowl slots for G5 teams out of 57 total teams, or 39%.

[hapapp]

How many bowls are there for G5 teams v. the # of teams in those five conferences? It seems to me the real glut is at the P5 level.

Already answered that......there are 22 guaranteed bowl slots for G5 teams out of 57 total teams, or 39%.

Sorry, I missed that.

That means that there are 54 spots for 65 P5 teams=83%

[Yosef84]

Another point some of you anti-progress folks seem to throw to the wayside is the invaluable benefit of exposure. Even if we're playing in THE lowest, sub .500 forgettabowl, we will be garnering more national respect, money, and brand recognition that anything available in the FCS aside from a monumental BCS upset.

A chance to play on a national stage in a cool new city to represent our new conference is a good thing. The sour grapes some of you STILL display by spinning it to the negative are very unbecoming.

I realize I'm probably wasting my time to even respond to this because you already have everyone neatly lumped into some preconceived category. I am far from anti-progress. I am excited about joining the SBC and I am looking forward to what it brings. That doesn't change the fact that the sheer number of bowl games is ridiculous and unsustainable. It is entirely possible that there will not be 76 bowl-eligible teams. That is my only point. The market is oversaturated.

Where you ever got the idea that I have any sour grapes to spread around is completely beyond me.

It's hard for anyone to argue that there are too many bowl games, at least for us older folks who remember when going to a bowl game was only for the top teams and it was far from an assumption that EVERY eligible team would get an invitation. That seems to be the mind set today. Conferences are trying to ensure that all eligible teams have a post season game. It takes some of the prestige away, but it does allow more teams to get those extra weeks of practice and potentially become more competitive.

The selfish part of me hopes that there are not enough eligible teams in 2014 because that would mean they would likely waive the transitional prohibition and we might have a shot at a bowl. Didn't they do that once before? It would be a nice one year benefit (for App fans) from the over saturation of the bowl market.

[bcoach]

If we were to win the SBC title, should we have the "reward" of playing the 6th place team from CUSA? Is our challenge to play a team that is probably.500?

I honestly don't know who the SBC champion would play, but as things sort themselves out over time, I'm confident the 1st place SBC team won't be playing the 6th place CUSA team. Going forward, the SBC will be very closely equivalent to (if not better than) CUSA in terms of quality.

New Orleans Bowl, 21 Dec., SBC #1 vs. CUSA #6, payout $500k

[Saint3333]

I agree there are too many bowl games, I agree more football is good as well, as I talk out of both sides of my mouth.

There is one misleading stat though. Although there are technically 118 FCS teams. I'd estimate only ~70 of them are eligible and offer over 50 scholarships. Two playoff spots go to programs under 50 scholarships so more comparable ratio is 22/70 or 31%.

[appst89]

I agree there are too many bowl games, I agree more football is good as well, as I talk out of both sides of my mouth.

There is one misleading stat though. Although there are technically 118 FCS teams. I'd estimate only ~70 of them are eligible and offer over 50 scholarships. Two playoff spots go to programs under 50 scholarships so more comparable ratio is 22/70 or 31%.

Thank you. It seems difficult for some to understand that it is possible to be excited by our move and the prospects it brings while also recognizing there is an inherent problem with the system.

[bcoach]

I'll tell you this. The first time we play a team in a bowl that has 4 or 5 wins people are going to be asking how the heck we get back to FCS.

Based on your track record of Chicken Little, "Sky is Falling" style of posting - I'm going to go ahead and disagree.

My enjoyment and excitement of seeing App in a bowl game will far outweigh the record of our opponent.

More football = Good.

We are in agreement of more games for us is good. All I am saying is that it is not some kind of accomplishment to get to a game to play a .500 team. You should really get a trophy for that? Are there more than 10 people who care about the jug anymore? Lets not look for more bowls so we can get to one let's be good enough to get to the ones there already are. That is all I am saying. I don't mind playing the number 5 or 6 team from CUSA, I just don't think it is trophy worthy to beat them. I expect to beat that team. I don't see it as a challenge 2-3 years down the road. To get a trophy I think we need to beat the number 1 team in CUSA.

[ASUMountaineer]

I'll tell you this. The first time we play a team in a bowl that has 4 or 5 wins people are going to be asking how the heck we get back to FCS.

Based on your track record of Chicken Little, "Sky is Falling" style of posting - I'm going to go ahead and disagree.

My enjoyment and excitement of seeing App in a bowl game will far outweigh the record of our opponent.

More football = Good.

We are in agreement of more games for us is good. All I am saying is that it is not some kind of accomplishment to get to a game to play a .500 team. You should really get a trophy for that? Are there more than 10 people who care about the jug anymore? Lets not look for more bowls so we can get to one let's be good enough to get to the ones there already are. That is all I am saying. I don't mind playing the number 5 or 6 team from CUSA, I just don't think it is trophy worthy to beat them. I expect to beat that team. I don't see it as a challenge 2-3 years down the road. To get a trophy I think we need to beat the number 1 team in CUSA.

Is it possible to not care about a bowl win trophy, but enjoy the fact that your school gets an extra game? This seems like being negative for the sake of being negative. I believe there are a lot more things to worry about than getting a trophy for beating the #6 CUSA team, seriously.

Everyone with a brain agrees that there are too many bowls, but no one should complain about more App football games. Dig?

[RankinApp]

Everyone with a brain agrees that there are too many bowls, but no one should complain about more App football games. Dig?

I'm in the minority as I don't think there are too many bowls. I wouldn't have a problem if every team that was bowl eligible was able to participate in one. I think there's confusion in regards to the historical premise of the bowl system compared to what they are today - another after-season game.

I also agree with 89 that the current system is unsustainable. I'll be content to watch, however, until it all comes crashing down in a most glorious fashion.

To me, bcoach is putting the cart before the horse. He's already worried about circling the moon while App is still wheeling to the launch pad. I say slow down, relax, enjoy the football and these things will resolve themselves one way or another.

[bcoach]

I'll tell you this. The first time we play a team in a bowl that has 4 or 5 wins people are going to be asking how the heck we get back to FCS.

Based on your track record of Chicken Little, "Sky is Falling" style of posting - I'm going to go ahead and disagree.

My enjoyment and excitement of seeing App in a bowl game will far outweigh the record of our opponent.

More football = Good.

We are in agreement of more games for us is good. All I am saying is that it is not some kind of accomplishment to get to a game to play a .500 team. You should really get a trophy for that? Are there more than 10 people who care about the jug anymore? Lets not look for more bowls so we can get to one let's be good enough to get to the ones there already are. That is all I am saying. I don't mind playing the number 5 or 6 team from CUSA, I just don't think it is trophy worthy to beat them. I expect to beat that team. I don't see it as a challenge 2-3 years down the road. To get a trophy I think we need to beat the number 1 team in CUSA.

Is it possible to not care about a bowl win trophy, but enjoy the fact that your school gets an extra game? This seems like being negative for the sake of being negative. I believe there are a lot more things to worry about than getting a trophy for beating the #6 CUSA team, seriously.

Everyone with a brain agrees that there are too many bowls, but no one should complain about more App football games. Dig?

I think I said that