Doug Gillin?

[AppStateNews]

Man, reading this thread makes wonder just how terrible Drink and Cobb were. Sounds like they are responsible for this years’ disappointment.

Cobb was terrible for the athletic program as a whole but great for football. Basically, football had 90% of the operating budget. All other sports split the 10% (outside of salaries). It wasn't feasible. But, you also can't take that funding immediately away from football. You have to do it slowly and smartly. Gillin has done that.

Only thing Drink did long term was inability to recruit. Oh, and telling McCall he wasn't good enough to play for him and instead used a donors money to fly to California to recruit a guy that was a head case (thus the reason nobody else was recruiting him) and he's never been on a college football field after transferring.

[WataugaMan]

How much (games, quarters, whatever) can a redshirt play before losing their shirt?

1 play equals a game played. They can play four games and keep their red shirt.

Thanks, I googled it too: "During a redshirt year, an athlete can fully attend classes, practice with the team, and even “suit up” in the team uniform and play up to four games to preserve a year of eligibility."

Therefore, with four games left to play (that is, if we get a bowl) will we see more new faces?

[AppSt94]

How much (games, quarters, whatever) can a redshirt play before losing their shirt?

1 play equals a game played. They can play four games and keep their red shirt.

Thanks, I googled it too: "During a redshirt year, an athlete can fully attend classes, practice with the team, and even “suit up” in the team uniform and play up to four games to preserve a year of eligibility."

Therefore, with four games left to play (that is, if we get a bowl) will we see more new faces?

Theoretically, you could. But you have to be careful to not put guys out there that may not be ready for the situation. I would be interested to see a DJ Burks in the safety spot but he may not be ready and you could hurt his confidence if it isn’t managed correctly.

[AppStateNews]

Burks is the one I want to see the most. We obviously have a glaring issue at one of the safety spots. Hell, we tried to move a CB to safety because of it but then he got hurt.

By everything I've heard, Burks is like Kanye Roberts in everyone on the team is saying "how did we get this kid?"

[pop5app]

Man, reading this thread makes wonder just how terrible Drink and Cobb were. Sounds like they are responsible for this years’ disappointment.

Cobb was terrible for the athletic program as a whole but great for football. Basically, football had 90% of the operating budget. All other sports split the 10% (outside of salaries). It wasn't feasible. But, you also can't take that funding immediately away from football. You have to do it slowly and smartly. Gillin has done that.

Only thing Drink did long term was inability to recruit. Oh, and telling McCall he wasn't good enough to play for him and instead used a donors money to fly to California to recruit a guy that was a head case (thus the reason nobody else was recruiting him) and he's never been on a college football field after transferring.

Sounds like a good diagnosis. I’m not a proponent of “trickle down economics.” Sounds like Cobb was. It does Sound like he put the money in the best place to bring us out of the Laney “dark ages”. As for Drink, seems like he wasn’t here long enough to have but one true recruiting effort. Current regime has had three at least. Hard for me to reason they are the root of the problem now.

[AppStateNews]

Man, reading this thread makes wonder just how terrible Drink and Cobb were. Sounds like they are responsible for this years’ disappointment.

Cobb was terrible for the athletic program as a whole but great for football. Basically, football had 90% of the operating budget. All other sports split the 10% (outside of salaries). It wasn't feasible. But, you also can't take that funding immediately away from football. You have to do it slowly and smartly. Gillin has done that.

Only thing Drink did long term was inability to recruit. Oh, and telling McCall he wasn't good enough to play for him and instead used a donors money to fly to California to recruit a guy that was a head case (thus the reason nobody else was recruiting him) and he's never been on a college football field after transferring.

Sounds like a good diagnosis. I’m not a proponent of “trickle down economics.” Sounds like Cobb was. It does Sound like he put the money in the best place to bring us out of the Laney “dark ages”. As for Drink, seems like he wasn’t here long enough to have but one true recruiting effort. Current regime has had three at least. Hard for me to reason they are the root of the problem now.

Drink signed one class and was the primary recruiter for the next. It was two classes. Look at them and how many are still here. Also, look at the positions he brought in. Mainly offensive skill players. Where do we not have a weakness right now? Offensive skill players.

It takes a couple years to fix unbalanced classes. Drink knew he was leaving in two years max the moment he stepped on campus. I have no ill will to the guy. But, because he knew he wasn't going to be here long, the work Watts and co had done to keep the classes balanced (meaning x number in offensive positions we'll need in 2-3 years and y number is defensive positions we'll need in 2-3 years) was thrown away.

[AppSt94]

Man, reading this thread makes wonder just how terrible Drink and Cobb were. Sounds like they are responsible for this years’ disappointment.

Cobb was terrible for the athletic program as a whole but great for football. Basically, football had 90% of the operating budget. All other sports split the 10% (outside of salaries). It wasn't feasible. But, you also can't take that funding immediately away from football. You have to do it slowly and smartly. Gillin has done that.

Only thing Drink did long term was inability to recruit. Oh, and telling McCall he wasn't good enough to play for him and instead used a donors money to fly to California to recruit a guy that was a head case (thus the reason nobody else was recruiting him) and he's never been on a college football field after transferring.

Sounds like a good diagnosis. I’m not a proponent of “trickle down economics.” Sounds like Cobb was. It does Sound like he put the money in the best place to bring us out of the Laney “dark ages”. As for Drink, seems like he wasn’t here long enough to have but one true recruiting effort. Current regime has had three at least. Hard for me to reason they are the root of the problem now.

Drink signed one class and was the primary recruiter for the next. It was two classes. Look at them and how many are still here. Also, look at the positions he brought in. Mainly offensive skill players. Where do we not have a weakness right now? Offensive skill players.

It takes a couple years to fix unbalanced classes. Drink knew he was leaving in two years max the moment he stepped on campus. I have no ill will to the guy. But, because he knew he wasn't going to be here long, the work Watts and co had done to keep the classes balanced (meaning x number in offensive positions we'll need in 2-3 years and y number is defensive positions we'll need in 2-3 years) was thrown away.

Yep. This is the behind the scenes stuff that people don’t get. The other piece is that having Sophomores like Taylor, Huff and Spurlin starting or playing significant minutes works against you in recruiting. It really makes it difficult to get your top end targets to come in because they have to sit 2 or 3 years. So now you end up with guys lower down your wish lists to fill out classes.

[AppDub]

How much (games, quarters, whatever) can a redshirt play before losing their shirt?

1 play equals a game played. They can play four games and keep their red shirt.

Thanks, I googled it too: "During a redshirt year, an athlete can fully attend classes, practice with the team, and even “suit up” in the team uniform and play up to four games to preserve a year of eligibility."

Therefore, with four games left to play (that is, if we get a bowl) will we see more new faces?

Theoretically, you could. But you have to be careful to not put guys out there that may not be ready for the situation. I would be interested to see a DJ Burks in the safety spot but he may not be ready and you could hurt his confidence if it isn’t managed correctly.

I think Burks would be interesting to see. Could make the case that our current free safety isn't ready, but he continues to start. Not trying to be a smart alleck, he just seems to a step behind every play.

[AppSt94]

How much (games, quarters, whatever) can a redshirt play before losing their shirt?

1 play equals a game played. They can play four games and keep their red shirt.

Thanks, I googled it too: "During a redshirt year, an athlete can fully attend classes, practice with the team, and even “suit up” in the team uniform and play up to four games to preserve a year of eligibility."

Therefore, with four games left to play (that is, if we get a bowl) will we see more new faces?

Theoretically, you could. But you have to be careful to not put guys out there that may not be ready for the situation. I would be interested to see a DJ Burks in the safety spot but he may not be ready and you could hurt his confidence if it isn’t managed correctly.

I thinkk Burks would be interesting to see. Could make the case that our current free safety isn't ready, but he continues to start. Not grying to be a smart alleck, he just seems to a step behind every play.

Not a smart alleck comment at all. It’s very true. But the issue is that while he doesn’t look like he is ready to be out there, he appears to be the best option. I expect that if Johnson is back healthy this week, we will see him back there. Clarke and Jackson just aren’t FBS quality starters.

[WVAPPeer]

Come on AppSt94 - you are trying to make rational points with a person who is clueless -

[AppDub]

Come on AppSt94 - you are trying to make rational points with a person who is clueless -

I'm going to assume your comments were in reference to AppSt94's response to someone else about being clueless before I react.

[yosef69]

Come on AppSt94 - you are trying to make rational points with a person who is clueless -

I'm going to assume your comments were in reference to AppSt94's response to someone else about being clueless before I react.

Someone needs to take WVAPPs iPad away from him

[AppStateNews]

1 play equals a game played. They can play four games and keep their red shirt.

Thanks, I googled it too: "During a redshirt year, an athlete can fully attend classes, practice with the team, and even “suit up” in the team uniform and play up to four games to preserve a year of eligibility."

Therefore, with four games left to play (that is, if we get a bowl) will we see more new faces?

Theoretically, you could. But you have to be careful to not put guys out there that may not be ready for the situation. I would be interested to see a DJ Burks in the safety spot but he may not be ready and you could hurt his confidence if it isn’t managed correctly.

I thinkk Burks would be interesting to see. Could make the case that our current free safety isn't ready, but he continues to start. Not grying to be a smart alleck, he just seems to a step behind every play.

Not a smart alleck comment at all. It’s very true. But the issue is that while he doesn’t look like he is ready to be out there, he appears to be the best option. I expect that if Johnson is back healthy this week, we will see him back there. Clarke and Jackson just aren’t FBS quality starters.

Clarke has the ability to be really good. He was solid as a backup last year. It's like he's thinking too much and not just playing. I've seen him in practice and he's a completely different player. His confidence just isn't there on game day for some reason.

[WVAPPeer]

If you would 94 - could you list the guys who were recruited by Drink who have contributed ---

[AppDub]

Thanks, I googled it too: "During a redshirt year, an athlete can fully attend classes, practice with the team, and even “suit up” in the team uniform and play up to four games to preserve a year of eligibility."

Therefore, with four games left to play (that is, if we get a bowl) will we see more new faces?

Theoretically, you could. But you have to be careful to not put guys out there that may not be ready for the situation. I would be interested to see a DJ Burks in the safety spot but he may not be ready and you could hurt his confidence if it isn’t managed correctly.

I thinkk Burks would be interesting to see. Could make the case that our current free safety isn't ready, but he continues to start. Not grying to be a smart alleck, he just seems to a step behind every play.

Not a smart alleck comment at all. It’s very true. But the issue is that while he doesn’t look like he is ready to be out there, he appears to be the best option. I expect that if Johnson is back healthy this week, we will see him back there. Clarke and Jackson just aren’t FBS quality starters.

Clarke has the ability to be really good. He was solid as a backup last year. It's like he's thinking too much and not just playing. I've seen him in practice and he's a completely different player. His confidence just isn't there on game day for some reason.

This post is spot on. I agree he looks the part, just wondering about his mental readiness. Only have what I see on gameday to go on so thanks for the extra perspective.

[AppSt94]

Come on AppSt94 - you are trying to make rational points with a person who is clueless -

I'm going to assume your comments were in reference to AppSt94's response to someone else about being clueless before I react.

I don’t think that he was referring to you.

[WVAPPeer]

Come on AppSt94 - you are trying to make rational points with a person who is clueless -

I'm going to assume your comments were in reference to AppSt94's response to someone else about being clueless before I react.

I don’t think that he was referring to you.

You are correct my friend ---

[AppStFan1]

Burks is the one I want to see the most. We obviously have a glaring issue at one of the safety spots. Hell, we tried to move a CB to safety because of it but then he got hurt.

By everything I've heard, Burks is like Kanye Roberts in everyone on the team is saying "how did we get this kid?"

I thought that would be the case because his film was really good. I really want to see him play a lot the rest of the way. I thought he could be a star for us with his ball skills.

[appgrad95&97]

I wish him all the best, but Shawn Clark seems like a lazy hire. I hope you guys are right about Gillin, but I don't see it.

How so? He has P5 coaching experience and a former player. The current players love him. He’s an avid recruiter. He loves to sandpaper opponents. Did I miss something?

I have no idea if he can put a staff together. I have no idea if he can manage a staff. I don't know if he can run an offense. I don't know what an O-line coach knows about defense. I think these are legitimate questions.

What the heck. That's from 12/12/19.

[DenverOfTheEast]

I wish him all the best, but Shawn Clark seems like a lazy hire. I hope you guys are right about Gillin, but I don't see it.

How so? He has P5 coaching experience and a former player. The current players love him. He’s an avid recruiter. He loves to sandpaper opponents. Did I miss something?

I have no idea if he can put a staff together. I have no idea if he can manage a staff. I don't know if he can run an offense. I don't know what an O-line coach knows about defense. I think these are legitimate questions.

What the heck. That's from 12/12/19.

So your point? He has hired an elite staff, all 3 of his OC got P5 jobs. He has not had a losing record yet, he has a win over SEC #5 ranked team. He has won 2 Bowl games and lost 1.

Not a lazy hire, the correct hire at the time in the history of where the program is. The offense runs the power that makes it very difficult for teams to come to Boone and win. Your post above has been proven wrong.