Clark: "We can't live in the transfer portal"

[AppStFan1]

The short, sarcastic answer is “losing” spawned the attention.

I guess it wasn’t an issue much in the past because how often have we taken a guy far enough along in his academic career that it was an issue. I’m sure guys have transferred in before and lost a few hours, but we have older guys losing 24 + hours of credit.

I figured that’s it and thank you for admitting this truth. That is how you lose by waiting until you lose to fix the issues that you should have seen coming. If they had fixed this in year one, which I assumed until I heard the issue on 247 this year, then the problem doesn’t come up. Our admin needs to be more proactive on these issues instead of reacting 3 years later. Hopefully it is now fixed and won’t affect us in this cycle.

Really asking, not being smart. What makes you think it’s fixed?

People on 247 saying we are aware and getting it fixed now but your question is why I said hopefully it is this cycle. I don’t know for sure.

It's still a work in progress. It's not fixed yet. It's on Everts plate.

That’s why I said I want to see how his cycle goes because that’s how it sounded on 247. How long will this take her to fix is my question?

[AppStateNews]

I figured that’s it and thank you for admitting this truth. That is how you lose by waiting until you lose to fix the issues that you should have seen coming. If they had fixed this in year one, which I assumed until I heard the issue on 247 this year, then the problem doesn’t come up. Our admin needs to be more proactive on these issues instead of reacting 3 years later. Hopefully it is now fixed and won’t affect us in this cycle.

Really asking, not being smart. What makes you think it’s fixed?

People on 247 saying we are aware and getting it fixed now but your question is why I said hopefully it is this cycle. I don’t know for sure.

It's still a work in progress. It's not fixed yet. It's on Everts plate.

That’s why I said I want to see how his cycle goes because that’s how it sounded on 247. How long will this take her to fix is my question?

Don't know. Nothing in academia is done with ease. Add in the request is being made with intentions for athletics, and I'd imagine there's push back.

Good news is Everts is really good at this kind of game.

[AppStFan1]

Really asking, not being smart. What makes you think it’s fixed?

People on 247 saying we are aware and getting it fixed now but your question is why I said hopefully it is this cycle. I don’t know for sure.

It's still a work in progress. It's not fixed yet. It's on Everts plate.

That’s why I said I want to see how his cycle goes because that’s how it sounded on 247. How long will this take her to fix is my question?

Don't know. Nothing in academia is done with ease. Add in the request is being made with intentions for athletics, and I'd imagine there's push back.

Good news is Everts is really good at this kind of game.

You would think people in academics would see the issue and know that anything that helps athletics helps everyone. I don’t want to lower standard to a 2.0 to get in but to wipe out half of someone’s hours from another school is not smart. Glad it is getting fixed.

[goapps93]

Really asking, not being smart. What makes you think it’s fixed?

People on 247 saying we are aware and getting it fixed now but your question is why I said hopefully it is this cycle. I don’t know for sure.

It's still a work in progress. It's not fixed yet. It's on Everts plate.

That’s why I said I want to see how his cycle goes because that’s how it sounded on 247. How long will this take her to fix is my question?

Don't know. Nothing in academia is done with ease. Add in the request is being made with intentions for athletics, and I'd imagine there's push back.

Good news is Everts is really good at this kind of game.

And there should be pushback on relaxing academic requirements just so athletes can transfer in.

[AppStateNews]

People on 247 saying we are aware and getting it fixed now but your question is why I said hopefully it is this cycle. I don’t know for sure.

It's still a work in progress. It's not fixed yet. It's on Everts plate.

That’s why I said I want to see how his cycle goes because that’s how it sounded on 247. How long will this take her to fix is my question?

Don't know. Nothing in academia is done with ease. Add in the request is being made with intentions for athletics, and I'd imagine there's push back.

Good news is Everts is really good at this kind of game.

You would think people in academics would see the issue and know that anything that helps athletics helps everyone. I don’t want to lower standard to a 2.0 to get in but to wipe out half of someone’s hours from another school is not smart. Glad it is getting fixed.

I don't believe the plan is to lower acceptance standards. That will remain higher than the norm. The work being done is to allow more credits to transfer over.

What I don't know is if it's an accreditation thing, an App thing, etc. If it's an accreditation thing, that's going to be a long uphill battle. If it's an App thing, I would expect that to be easier. I do know App is making a push to get more transfers overall so it's possible this has been in the works for a while and it's just now impacting athletics.

[AppStateNews]

People on 247 saying we are aware and getting it fixed now but your question is why I said hopefully it is this cycle. I don’t know for sure.

It's still a work in progress. It's not fixed yet. It's on Everts plate.

That’s why I said I want to see how his cycle goes because that’s how it sounded on 247. How long will this take her to fix is my question?

Don't know. Nothing in academia is done with ease. Add in the request is being made with intentions for athletics, and I'd imagine there's push back.

Good news is Everts is really good at this kind of game.

And there should be pushback on relaxing academic requirements just so athletes can transfer in.

Agreed. But that's not the issue. We still won't allow poor academics in. The issue is players are losing an entire year of academic credits by coming here because for some reason, their classes at the previous institution don't transfer.

The academic quality of student athletes transferring in won't change. That's a policy from Everts and DG.

[goapps93]

It's still a work in progress. It's not fixed yet. It's on Everts plate.

That’s why I said I want to see how his cycle goes because that’s how it sounded on 247. How long will this take her to fix is my question?

Don't know. Nothing in academia is done with ease. Add in the request is being made with intentions for athletics, and I'd imagine there's push back.

Good news is Everts is really good at this kind of game.

And there should be pushback on relaxing academic requirements just so athletes can transfer in.

Agreed. But that's not the issue. We still won't allow poor academics in. The issue is players are losing an entire year of academic credits by coming here because for some reason, their classes as the previous institution don't transfer.

The academic quality of student athletes transferring in won't change. That's a policy from Everts and DG.

But there still has to be some integrity in their transfer. I’m supposing the classes aren’t transferring because they wouldn’t meet degree requirements at App. If that’s the case then that’s on the student-athlete. Academic integrity is what separates the portal from free agency. Athletics should not be the sole reason for a transfer but if it is the main reason, then thestudent-athlete is responsible for their academic credentials. I don’t ever want App’s academic integrity to be questioned. We won’t skate like UNC-CH has.

[AppStateNews]

That’s why I said I want to see how his cycle goes because that’s how it sounded on 247. How long will this take her to fix is my question?

Don't know. Nothing in academia is done with ease. Add in the request is being made with intentions for athletics, and I'd imagine there's push back.

Good news is Everts is really good at this kind of game.

And there should be pushback on relaxing academic requirements just so athletes can transfer in.

Agreed. But that's not the issue. We still won't allow poor academics in. The issue is players are losing an entire year of academic credits by coming here because for some reason, their classes as the previous institution don't transfer.

The academic quality of student athletes transferring in won't change. That's a policy from Everts and DG.

But there still has to be some integrity in their transfer. I’m supposing the classes aren’t transferring because they wouldn’t meet degree requirements at App. If that’s the case then that’s on the student-athlete. Academic integrity is what separates the portal from free agency. Athletics should not be the sole reason for a transfer but if it is the main reason, then thestudent-athlete is responsible for their academic credentials. I don’t ever want App’s academic integrity to be questioned. We won’t skate like UNC-CH has.

I don't disagree. But that's not the issue. The issue is like classes at other institutions are not coming over. I know of one transfer target last year that had a 4.0 at an in state MBA program. His entire year of said MBA program would be lost.

It's not because he's an athlete. How does an entire year of a perfect GPA (at an "elite" public university at that) of a grad program get lost? A couple classes based on their emphasis, sure. But every single class is absurd. Of course he didn't come here.

[goapps93]

Don't know. Nothing in academia is done with ease. Add in the request is being made with intentions for athletics, and I'd imagine there's push back.

Good news is Everts is really good at this kind of game.

And there should be pushback on relaxing academic requirements just so athletes can transfer in.

Agreed. But that's not the issue. We still won't allow poor academics in. The issue is players are losing an entire year of academic credits by coming here because for some reason, their classes as the previous institution don't transfer.

The academic quality of student athletes transferring in won't change. That's a policy from Everts and DG.

But there still has to be some integrity in their transfer. I’m supposing the classes aren’t transferring because they wouldn’t meet degree requirements at App. If that’s the case then that’s on the student-athlete. Academic integrity is what separates the portal from free agency. Athletics should not be the sole reason for a transfer but if it is the main reason, then thestudent-athlete is responsible for their academic credentials. I don’t ever want App’s academic integrity to be questioned. We won’t skate like UNC-CH has.

I don't disagree. But that's not the issue. The issue is like classes at other institutions are not coming over. I know of one transfer target last year that had a 4.0 at an in state MBA program. His entire year of said MBA program would be lost.

It's not because he's an athlete. How does an entire year of a perfect GPA (at an "elite" public university at that) of a grad program get lost? A couple classes based on their emphasis, sure. But every single class is absurd. Of course he didn't come here.

That’s concerning but grad school is a different animal. According to Walker College of Business the MBA program is designed to be completed in one year for full-time on campus students. I doubt App would award an MBA when most of the coursework was completed in another program. I’m in Divinity School at Campbell and if I transferred I’m sure most of my credits would not. For any degree a large number of hours must be earned at the degree granting institution. That’s just normal. Some of what’s happening may not be able to be fixed for reasons such as these. And they all have to do with academic integrity. I’m curious if that player was able to transfer anywhere as an MBA student

[AppStateNews]

And there should be pushback on relaxing academic requirements just so athletes can transfer in.

Agreed. But that's not the issue. We still won't allow poor academics in. The issue is players are losing an entire year of academic credits by coming here because for some reason, their classes as the previous institution don't transfer.

The academic quality of student athletes transferring in won't change. That's a policy from Everts and DG.

But there still has to be some integrity in their transfer. I’m supposing the classes aren’t transferring because they wouldn’t meet degree requirements at App. If that’s the case then that’s on the student-athlete. Academic integrity is what separates the portal from free agency. Athletics should not be the sole reason for a transfer but if it is the main reason, then thestudent-athlete is responsible for their academic credentials. I don’t ever want App’s academic integrity to be questioned. We won’t skate like UNC-CH has.

I don't disagree. But that's not the issue. The issue is like classes at other institutions are not coming over. I know of one transfer target last year that had a 4.0 at an in state MBA program. His entire year of said MBA program would be lost.

It's not because he's an athlete. How does an entire year of a perfect GPA (at an "elite" public university at that) of a grad program get lost? A couple classes based on their emphasis, sure. But every single class is absurd. Of course he didn't come here.

That’s concerning but grad school is a different animal. According to Walker College of Business the MBA program is designed to be completed in one year for full-time on campus students. I doubt App would award an MBA when most of the coursework was completed in another program. I’m in Divinity School at Campbell and if I transferred I’m sure most of my credits would not. For any degree a large number of hours must be earned at the degree granting institution. That’s just normal. Some of what’s happening may not be able to be fixed for reasons such as these. And they all have to do with academic integrity. I’m curious if that player was able to transfer anywhere as an MBA student

Yes, he did. And had all credits transfer to an out of state institution. He wasn't expecting to have a degree transfer in. But he also wasn't expecting an entire year with a perfect GPA be thrown away.

[goapps93]

Agreed. But that's not the issue. We still won't allow poor academics in. The issue is players are losing an entire year of academic credits by coming here because for some reason, their classes as the previous institution don't transfer.

The academic quality of student athletes transferring in won't change. That's a policy from Everts and DG.

But there still has to be some integrity in their transfer. I’m supposing the classes aren’t transferring because they wouldn’t meet degree requirements at App. If that’s the case then that’s on the student-athlete. Academic integrity is what separates the portal from free agency. Athletics should not be the sole reason for a transfer but if it is the main reason, then thestudent-athlete is responsible for their academic credentials. I don’t ever want App’s academic integrity to be questioned. We won’t skate like UNC-CH has.

I don't disagree. But that's not the issue. The issue is like classes at other institutions are not coming over. I know of one transfer target last year that had a 4.0 at an in state MBA program. His entire year of said MBA program would be lost.

It's not because he's an athlete. How does an entire year of a perfect GPA (at an "elite" public university at that) of a grad program get lost? A couple classes based on their emphasis, sure. But every single class is absurd. Of course he didn't come here.

That’s concerning but grad school is a different animal. According to Walker College of Business the MBA program is designed to be completed in one year for full-time on campus students. I doubt App would award an MBA when most of the coursework was completed in another program. I’m in Divinity School at Campbell and if I transferred I’m sure most of my credits would not. For any degree a large number of hours must be earned at the degree granting institution. That’s just normal. Some of what’s happening may not be able to be fixed for reasons such as these. And they all have to do with academic integrity. I’m curious if that player was able to transfer anywhere as an MBA student

Yes, he did. And had all credits transfer to an out of state institution. He wasn't expecting to have a degree transfer in. But he also wasn't expecting an entire year with a perfect GPA be thrown away.

So his new school is going to award him with their MBA when he completed a year’s worth of classes at another school? Hmmm, but good for him.

[AppStateNews]

But there still has to be some integrity in their transfer. I’m supposing the classes aren’t transferring because they wouldn’t meet degree requirements at App. If that’s the case then that’s on the student-athlete. Academic integrity is what separates the portal from free agency. Athletics should not be the sole reason for a transfer but if it is the main reason, then thestudent-athlete is responsible for their academic credentials. I don’t ever want App’s academic integrity to be questioned. We won’t skate like UNC-CH has.

I don't disagree. But that's not the issue. The issue is like classes at other institutions are not coming over. I know of one transfer target last year that had a 4.0 at an in state MBA program. His entire year of said MBA program would be lost.

It's not because he's an athlete. How does an entire year of a perfect GPA (at an "elite" public university at that) of a grad program get lost? A couple classes based on their emphasis, sure. But every single class is absurd. Of course he didn't come here.

That’s concerning but grad school is a different animal. According to Walker College of Business the MBA program is designed to be completed in one year for full-time on campus students. I doubt App would award an MBA when most of the coursework was completed in another program. I’m in Divinity School at Campbell and if I transferred I’m sure most of my credits would not. For any degree a large number of hours must be earned at the degree granting institution. That’s just normal. Some of what’s happening may not be able to be fixed for reasons such as these. And they all have to do with academic integrity. I’m curious if that player was able to transfer anywhere as an MBA student

Yes, he did. And had all credits transfer to an out of state institution. He wasn't expecting to have a degree transfer in. But he also wasn't expecting an entire year with a perfect GPA be thrown away.

So his new school is going to award him with their MBA when he completed a year’s worth of classes at another school? Hmmm, but good for him.

All of his credits transferred over. Meaning the classes he took at his old school were deemed equivalent to the classes he would have taken in the first year at his new school. That's how transferring normally works.

[goapps93]

I don't disagree. But that's not the issue. The issue is like classes at other institutions are not coming over. I know of one transfer target last year that had a 4.0 at an in state MBA program. His entire year of said MBA program would be lost.

It's not because he's an athlete. How does an entire year of a perfect GPA (at an "elite" public university at that) of a grad program get lost? A couple classes based on their emphasis, sure. But every single class is absurd. Of course he didn't come here.

That’s concerning but grad school is a different animal. According to Walker College of Business the MBA program is designed to be completed in one year for full-time on campus students. I doubt App would award an MBA when most of the coursework was completed in another program. I’m in Divinity School at Campbell and if I transferred I’m sure most of my credits would not. For any degree a large number of hours must be earned at the degree granting institution. That’s just normal. Some of what’s happening may not be able to be fixed for reasons such as these. And they all have to do with academic integrity. I’m curious if that player was able to transfer anywhere as an MBA student

Yes, he did. And had all credits transfer to an out of state institution. He wasn't expecting to have a degree transfer in. But he also wasn't expecting an entire year with a perfect GPA be thrown away.

So his new school is going to award him with their MBA when he completed a year’s worth of classes at another school? Hmmm, but good for him.

All of his credits transferred over. Meaning the classes he took at his old school were deemed equivalent to the classes he would have taken in the first year at his new school. That's how transferring normally works.

I know how transferring works. My point is an MBA is not a long program. I find it interesting that a school would award a their Masters degree to a student who completed that much coursework at another school. Maybe my concern is misplaced.

[AppStateNews]

That’s concerning but grad school is a different animal. According to Walker College of Business the MBA program is designed to be completed in one year for full-time on campus students. I doubt App would award an MBA when most of the coursework was completed in another program. I’m in Divinity School at Campbell and if I transferred I’m sure most of my credits would not. For any degree a large number of hours must be earned at the degree granting institution. That’s just normal. Some of what’s happening may not be able to be fixed for reasons such as these. And they all have to do with academic integrity. I’m curious if that player was able to transfer anywhere as an MBA student

Yes, he did. And had all credits transfer to an out of state institution. He wasn't expecting to have a degree transfer in. But he also wasn't expecting an entire year with a perfect GPA be thrown away.

So his new school is going to award him with their MBA when he completed a year’s worth of classes at another school? Hmmm, but good for him.

All of his credits transferred over. Meaning the classes he took at his old school were deemed equivalent to the classes he would have taken in the first year at his new school. That's how transferring normally works.

I know how transferring works. My point is an MBA is not a long program. I find it interesting that a school would award a their Masters degree to a student who completed that much coursework at another school. Maybe my concern is misplaced.

Most MBAs are a two year program.

[appst89]

A friend of my son wanted to transfer to App this year. She had a perfect gpa in core curriculum courses. When she applied to App, she was going to lose almost three semesters worth of credit. She ended up going to Virginia Tech and all of her hours transferred.

I don’t know what the issue is, but it isn’t just for athletes.

[goapps93]

A friend of my son wanted to transfer to App this year. She had a perfect gpa in core curriculum courses. When she applied to App, she was going to lose almost three semesters worth of credit. She ended up going to Virginia Tech and all of her hours transferred.

I don’t know what the issue is, but it isn’t just for athletes.

That doesn’t make sense at all for undergrad transfers. I would love to know what the reasoning is.

[AppState89]

A friend of my son wanted to transfer to App this year. She had a perfect gpa in core curriculum courses. When she applied to App, she was going to lose almost three semesters worth of credit. She ended up going to Virginia Tech and all of her hours transferred.

I don’t know what the issue is, but it isn’t just for athletes.

That is so unfair. College is college for the most part and ALL of her credits should transfer. I would have stayed away from App too if 1 1/2 years of college credits didn't transfer. If she did just think of all the $$$$$$$$ that was thrown away. Just crazy.

[t4pizza]

That’s why I said I want to see how his cycle goes because that’s how it sounded on 247. How long will this take her to fix is my question?

Don't know. Nothing in academia is done with ease. Add in the request is being made with intentions for athletics, and I'd imagine there's push back.

Good news is Everts is really good at this kind of game.

And there should be pushback on relaxing academic requirements just so athletes can transfer in.

Agreed. But that's not the issue. We still won't allow poor academics in. The issue is players are losing an entire year of academic credits by coming here because for some reason, their classes as the previous institution don't transfer.

The academic quality of student athletes transferring in won't change. That's a policy from Everts and DG.

But there still has to be some integrity in their transfer. I’m supposing the classes aren’t transferring because they wouldn’t meet degree requirements at App. If that’s the case then that’s on the student-athlete. Academic integrity is what separates the portal from free agency. Athletics should not be the sole reason for a transfer but if it is the main reason, then thestudent-athlete is responsible for their academic credentials. I don’t ever want App’s academic integrity to be questioned. We won’t skate like UNC-CH has.

Look, let's all stop pretending we are some Ivy league school here. No way we should ever NOT accept credit hours from Wake, Duke or Clemson and that is exactly what current players on our roster from those schools have had to deal with. Luckily for us they still chose to come to App, others who were going to lose too many credits chose not to come and that has hurt our program in a significant way. This isn't an academic integrity issue, those standards are not being lowered at all. This is just us accepting earned credits from other accredited 4 years universities, many with better academic reputations than our own App.

[appstanding]

I agree, we need to meet the needs of the players committed to App first and then address the needs with the transfer portal. It is sort of like changing spouses, you may think you are getting a better deal, but in the end it is cheaper to stay with what you have. If you notice all the players that App has picked up are players that have ties to Appalachian and that is the way it should be. One bad apple can ruin the whole barrel.

And after all, a successful marriage really comes down to finding the cheapest option.

[JTApps1]

The late reaction here is what gets me. We have had transfers before so I would have thought the admissions office, Gillin, and Clark would have immediately decided to change the credit problem when the portal started. It sounds like we waited 3 cycles before adjusting and it cost us. People will say the portal is new but that’s not a good reason because schools have had transfers before. This is just at a higher rate but not the first time we have had them.

I think the issue comes more into play with guys that have taken classes towards majors and not the general education classes that are taken in years 1 & 2. And for those with year 3 coursework, it may be that the grade in a certain class may not be high enough to transfer. I’ve been out of it for awhile, I remember that Carolina wouldn’t take classes that weren’t passed with less than a 3.0. Grad transfers don’t have to worry about it because they rent looking to transfer credits.

I get that but I thought we would have encountered this at some point or just knew the academic transfer requirements from day one of the portal and fixed it then. I’m wondering why it took them 3 years to make this change instead of year one of the portal?

The short, sarcastic answer is “losing” spawned the attention.

I guess it wasn’t an issue much in the past because how often have we taken a guy far enough along in his academic career that it was an issue. I’m sure guys have transferred in before and lost a few hours, but we have older guys losing 24 + hours of credit.

It's almost like a lack of recruiting 2 cycles ago is catching up... Can someone please tell me who was responsible for that class?

People don't want to go to the source of the problem...