KeSean Brown Not Happy with APP FB

[yikas1]

BAM!

[Appst86]

He wasn't at App four years. He played four football seasons. He was here 3.5 years. He's saying App pulled his scholarship for that final semester because he announced his plans to go elsewhere for grad school and his covid bonus season.

How does someone that has completed 3.5 years at one university (App in this case) then transfer to another (MU) and earn a degree from the new school? I thought you had to earn a minimum number of credits at the school granting the degree. Assume he earned 100 hours at App, he then earns 30 hours at MU. Does Marshall award a degree or will he transfer the MU credits to App and earn a degree from App State?

[Black Saturday]

Me and KeSean aren't happy with APP football, difference is I'm staying put.

[AppSt94]

He wasn't at App four years. He played four football seasons. He was here 3.5 years. He's saying App pulled his scholarship for that final semester because he announced his plans to go elsewhere for grad school and his covid bonus season.

How does someone that has completed 3.5 years at one university (App in this case) then transfer to another (MU) and earn a degree from the new school? I thought you had to earn a minimum number of credits at the school granting the degree. Assume he earned 100 hours at App, he then earns 30 hours at MU. Does Marshall award a degree or will he transfer the MU credits to App and earn a degree from App State?

My guess is that the degree would come from App. I believe that Chase used credits earned at Duke to complete his degree at Clemson.

[AppStateNews]

He wasn't at App four years. He played four football seasons. He was here 3.5 years. He's saying App pulled his scholarship for that final semester because he announced his plans to go elsewhere for grad school and his covid bonus season.

How does someone that has completed 3.5 years at one university (App in this case) then transfer to another (MU) and earn a degree from the new school? I thought you had to earn a minimum number of credits at the school granting the degree. Assume he earned 100 hours at App, he then earns 30 hours at MU. Does Marshall award a degree or will he transfer the MU credits to App and earn a degree from App State?

It depends on what credits come over to Marshall. If his entire course load transfers to Marshall (no idea if it will), it's essentially like he took those classes at Marshall and his degree would come from them.

[MrCraig]

He wasn't at App four years. He played four football seasons. He was here 3.5 years. He's saying App pulled his scholarship for that final semester because he announced his plans to go elsewhere for grad school and his covid bonus season.

If this is really the case, why is he seemingly so mad about it? Did he not realize that the scholarship was in exchange for his playing football? This thing is so weird to me.

[Yosef84]

I hate to see a player disgruntled, but it's going to happen. Difficult decisions have to be made sometimes. I have zero inside knowledge here, but I would say we shouldn't necessarily take her wording ("stripped his scholarship"....) as being absolutely precise. It's kind of the difference between firing a coach and not renewing his contract. Feels the same and there are certainly similarities, but how it is executed matters. Another analogy is the difference between being fired and being laid off for us civilians.

[AppStFan1]

He wasn't at App four years. He played four football seasons. He was here 3.5 years. He's saying App pulled his scholarship for that final semester because he announced his plans to go elsewhere for grad school and his covid bonus season.

If this is really the case, why is he seemingly so mad about it? Did he not realize that the scholarship was in exchange for his playing football? This thing is so weird to me.

So it seems that he is upset about not being asked to return to the team. I'm going to assume he did something because Clark and the staff usually keep players. I'm wondering if some of these players who have left were part of changes to help the culture or they did something and just don't agree that being asked to leave was the right punishment? Like someone else said, the school won't and should not comment on it. It is best Brown just transfer and leave it alone. Coaches talk so whatever it is I'm sure Marshall is aware but you can't blame them for taking him since it looks good for PR and Brown is a solid player.

[AppStateNews]

He wasn't at App four years. He played four football seasons. He was here 3.5 years. He's saying App pulled his scholarship for that final semester because he announced his plans to go elsewhere for grad school and his covid bonus season.

If this is really the case, why is he seemingly so mad about it? Did he not realize that the scholarship was in exchange for his playing football? This thing is so weird to me.

Brown should know that his free education was for playing football. He could not have really expected App to pay that expense this spring while he is not on the roster.

Again, they did not pull his scholarship for spring semester. His scholarship (as with all athletic scholarships) was for the entire academic school year.

They pulled it for next year. He chose to leave for spring semester.

[Yosef84]

He wasn't at App four years. He played four football seasons. He was here 3.5 years. He's saying App pulled his scholarship for that final semester because he announced his plans to go elsewhere for grad school and his covid bonus season.

If this is really the case, why is he seemingly so mad about it? Did he not realize that the scholarship was in exchange for his playing football? This thing is so weird to me.

Brown should know that his free education was for playing football. He could not have really expected App to pay that expense this spring while he is not on the roster.

Again, they did not pull his scholarship for spring semester. His scholarship (as with all athletic scholarships) was for the entire academic school year.

They pulled it for next year. He chose to leave for spring semester.

Thank you. Very important point!

[AppSt94]

There are always two sides to every story. And in my previous line of work, the motivation of the story teller has to be factored in. In this instance, one side is using language, such as “stripped of my scholarship” to paint his version. The other side has said nothing.

So there are two conclusions that one can make. 1) that the silence means that there could be some credence to the story being told. Or 2) the story being told is not accurate and the other party doesn’t need to speak because it has repeatedly exhibited “actions” in the past that paint a different picture. We have shown to be a program that not only honors scholarships for current players that have needed to medically retire, but we have also honored commitments to future Mountaineers that were injured prior to enrolling.

[MtnMan14]

There are always two sides to every story. And in my previous line of work, the motivation of the story teller has to be factored in. In this instance, one side is using language, such as “stripped of my scholarship” to paint his version. The other side has said nothing.

So there are two conclusions that one can make. 1) that the silence means that there could be some credence to the story being told. Or 2) the story being told is not accurate and the other party doesn’t need to speak because it has repeatedly exhibited “actions” in the past that paint a different picture. We have shown to be a program that not only honors scholarships for current players that have needed to medically retire, but we have also honored commitments to future Mountaineers that were injured prior to enrolling.

Also would look terrible for App to respond to something like that in any way, especially via Twitter. If our athletic department starts getting in Twitter wars with former athletes that’s when I will cease to be a fan, because that would just be absolutely embarrassing. Let the kid say and believe whatever helps him sleep at night and let’s move on.

[AtlAppMan]

The University and Athletic Dept (including SC) should not say anything publicly. And I for one, don't expect anything otherwise.

Any student transferring from one school to another might have a reasonable gripe about the process, but that has happened forever. Throwing in a scholarship just adds one more facet to the situation.

[mike87]

App has done nothing wrong. Good Luck to KeSean and no problem with the dig in the tweet. I hope he earns that Marshall degree and joins his fellow alumni in the food services or housekeeping industries.

[AppStFan1]

He wasn't at App four years. He played four football seasons. He was here 3.5 years. He's saying App pulled his scholarship for that final semester because he announced his plans to go elsewhere for grad school and his covid bonus season.

If this is really the case, why is he seemingly so mad about it? Did he not realize that the scholarship was in exchange for his playing football? This thing is so weird to me.

Brown should know that his free education was for playing football. He could not have really expected App to pay that expense this spring while he is not on the roster.

Again, they did not pull his scholarship for spring semester. His scholarship (as with all athletic scholarships) was for the entire academic school year.

They pulled it for next year. He chose to leave for spring semester.

Okay that makes sense. It sounds like our staff did it right and he is just upset he could not do anything he wanted.

Do folks remember Marcus Haskins and how he threw us under the bus in his social media post? He ended up at Abilene Christian. I would bet that if there were not issues with him he would have gone to a P5 or good G5. Just because a player comes out publicly does not mean his interpretation is what really happened. We have a good track record so I will side with us on these. If he can show documentation or a recorded conversation that makes Clark and Watts look bad I am open minded but I doubt there is anything like that which exists.

[AppStFan1]

There are always two sides to every story. And in my previous line of work, the motivation of the story teller has to be factored in. In this instance, one side is using language, such as “stripped of my scholarship” to paint his version. The other side has said nothing.

So there are two conclusions that one can make. 1) that the silence means that there could be some credence to the story being told. Or 2) the story being told is not accurate and the other party doesn’t need to speak because it has repeatedly exhibited “actions” in the past that paint a different picture. We have shown to be a program that not only honors scholarships for current players that have needed to medically retire, but we have also honored commitments to future Mountaineers that were injured prior to enrolling.

I am with you here because we have a track record. I am pretty sure Brown was probably doing stuff he should not for him to be asked to go. Everyone fully agrees that if a player is not going to class or causing issues on the field or in the locker room that it is indeed fine to ask them to go. Coaches normally ask players to go who are a problem or encourage them to go get playing time somewhere else. Things worked out for Brown either way. I do wish him luck outside of when he plays us.

[AppStateNews]

We have shown to be a program that not only honors scholarships for current players that have needed to medically retire, but we have also honored commitments to future Mountaineers that were injured prior to enrolling.

Exactly this. We even kept a transfer that lied about head injuries to get here on scholarship even though he participated in very few team activities.

We have a current player that was a highly ranked recruit that likely won't ever see the field due to a medical condition. He's still on scholarship.

[AppStFan1]

We have shown to be a program that not only honors scholarships for current players that have needed to medically retire, but we have also honored commitments to future Mountaineers that were injured prior to enrolling.

Exactly this. We even kept a transfer that lied about head injuries to get here on scholarship even though he participated in very few team activities.

We have a current player that was a highly ranked recruit that likely won't ever see the field due to a medical condition. He's still on scholarship.

We go above and beyond for sure.

[EastHallApp]

He wasn't at App four years. He played four football seasons. He was here 3.5 years. He's saying App pulled his scholarship for that final semester because he announced his plans to go elsewhere for grad school and his covid bonus season.

If this is really the case, why is he seemingly so mad about it? Did he not realize that the scholarship was in exchange for his playing football? This thing is so weird to me.

Brown should know that his free education was for playing football. He could not have really expected App to pay that expense this spring while he is not on the roster.

Again, they did not pull his scholarship for spring semester. His scholarship (as with all athletic scholarships) was for the entire academic school year.

They pulled it for next year. He chose to leave for spring semester.

My understanding is that the staff wanted him to return for next year until he chose to enter the portal. He could have returned next year, on scholarship, but he chose not to.

[AppStateNews]

He wasn't at App four years. He played four football seasons. He was here 3.5 years. He's saying App pulled his scholarship for that final semester because he announced his plans to go elsewhere for grad school and his covid bonus season.

If this is really the case, why is he seemingly so mad about it? Did he not realize that the scholarship was in exchange for his playing football? This thing is so weird to me.

Brown should know that his free education was for playing football. He could not have really expected App to pay that expense this spring while he is not on the roster.

Again, they did not pull his scholarship for spring semester. His scholarship (as with all athletic scholarships) was for the entire academic school year.

They pulled it for next year. He chose to leave for spring semester.

My understanding is that the staff wanted him to return for next year until he chose to enter the portal. He could have returned next year, on scholarship, but he chose not to.

He was given a plan to maintain on the team and scholarship for next year. When he chose to not accept the plan outlined, they pulled his scholarship.