It's Bur....Joey Time! - GW discussion

[ASUFan4863]

The cabin is already in mid season form.

[Saint3333]

I did not count the 150 yards against Limestone College, hopefully that was a reasonable omission. Didn’t leave out the 250 yard game that is the one game over 110 yards.

I appreciate your homework and bringing that knowledge to the board.

I have however discounted his results (which are good not great) based on my knowledge of the competition he faced.

Both takes are reasonable.

I’ll stand by the assertion that he will be at best the third best back we’ll face this year. I never said he wasn’t good (another hyperbolic statement you claimed I made).

I’m sure GWebb is a solid FCS team this year. I know what good FCS teams can do clearly.

But I also know the level of talent App has recruited the last few years and the caliber of coaches we have.

I never thought I’d need to defend that. The intention of my posts are positive view of App State in 2023 especially playing our first game opponent.

As for your coach speak question, I’d run the jumbo package on 3rd and 2 and then again on 4th and 1 straight up the middle. ;-)

Also remember winners don’t need excuses.

[AppStateNews]

I did not count the 150 yards against Limestone College, hopefully that was a reasonable omission. Didn’t leave out the 250 yard game that is the one game over 110 yards.

I appreciate your homework and bringing that knowledge to the board.

I have however discounted his results (which are good not great) based on my knowledge of the competition he faced.

Both takes are reasonable.

I’ll stand by the assertion that he will be at best the third best back we’ll face this year. I never said he wasn’t good (another hyperbolic statement you claimed I made).

I’m sure GWebb is a solid FCS team this year. I know what good FCS teams can do clearly.

But I also know the level of talent App has recruited the last few years and the caliber of coaches we have.

I never thought I’d need to defend that. The intention of my posts are positive view of App State in 2023 especially playing our first game opponent.

As for your coach speak question, I’d run the jumbo package on 3rd and 2 and then again on 4th and 1 straight up the middle.

Also remember winners don’t need excuses.

He has NFL level footwork, vision, pass catching, and blocking abilities. You accuse me of hyperbole, yet somehow can make the claim he is, at best, the 3rd back we'll see (lets not forget I initially said top 5 with potential to be top... you're hyperbolic comments changed that narrative) and also say you've never seen him play -- talk about hyperbolic statements...

So, you're on record saying Clark and staff are consistently outschemed and outcoached (I know you're not a fire Clark guy, but you have said this more than once) yet somehow don't think an up and coming innovative offensive minded coach can't use a top 3 RB we will see this year to his advantage against a YOUNG defense with a new coordinator? I hope you're right, but how can you possibly go from one take to the next without seeing anything on the field?

Not sure why you brought up the positive view of App State in 2023 as an argument -- I also have that view. I just also have done the research and can realize Gardner Webb is better than the average FCS program that a lot of our fan base will react negatively about if we don't win by 50+ points. That's it. That is the whole point of my initial post. You took it and ran as I was somehow being negative. If anything, I was being positive towards Gardner Webb... nothing negative about App at all.

I don't disagree we should win handily. But, we also should have beat Texas State last year and we didn't. And various other games through the years and didn't. Gardner Webb is better than Texas State was last year (completely unrelated -- Kinne is going to make them a tough game for everyone). An elite level talent can (not always) take away any preparation. Their RB is an elite level talent. That's it. Nothing more. The end...

For your needing to defend your posts -- Sorry, I figured words have meaning and you'd have to use them appropriately versus click bait culture.

And for your answers on my "coach speak" (not coach speak at all -- you seemingly know everything about football so I was simply asking what you would do because I am honestly curious how others would handle that knowing the type of defense we run and the type of offense GW runs)... If you're calling that as the defensive coordinator, you really don't have a clue what you're doing

Now, I wait until you make a comeback post about me being hyperbolic (pot meet kettle), call me negative, etc...

[WVAPPeer]

"Not sure why you brought up the positive view of App State in 2023 as an argument -- I also have that view. I just also have done the research and can realize Gardner Webb is better than the average FCS program that a lot of our fan base will react negatively about if we don't win by 50+ points. That's it. That is the whole point of my initial post. You took it and ran as I was somehow being negative. If anything, I was being positive towards Gardner Webb... nothing negative about App at all."

This is right on the nose ---

[Saint3333]

We both have reasonable takes on the threat their RB will be, likely the truth is somewhere in between as usual.

Again very few of our fanbase will react negatively when we don’t win by 50, not a lot. The negatively from a few on here don’t represent our fanbase.

We did get outcoached last year, Texas St is a good example as you mention. I’m not sure I’ve ever said consistently outcoached. This is likely your perception similar to using terms like lost or a lot of our fanbase. Clark outcoached Jimbo last year. He went in with a gameplan that was perfect when facing a stubborn head coach on the opponents sideline that historically has been poor at making adjustments.

It’s safe to say neither one of us are coaching this weekend and that’s a positive ;-).

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

So anyways, can you believe Eric Church!!!

[AppStateNews]

I seem to have touched a nerve, sorry. We both have reasonable takes on the threat their RB will be, likely the truth is somewhere in between as usual.

Again very few of our fanbase will react negatively when we don’t win by 50, not a lot. The negatively from a few on here don’t represent our fanbase.

We did get outcoached last year, Texas St is a good example as you mention. I’m not sure I’ve ever said consistently outcoached. This is likely your perception similar to using terms like lost or a lot of our fanbase. Clark outcoached Jimbo last year. He went in with a gameplan that was perfect when facing a stubborn head coach on the opponents sideline that historically has been poor at making adjustments.

It’s safe to say neither one of us are coaching this weekend and that’s a positive .

No nerve struck. I am genuinely curious how you can have the views you have and at the same time admit you don't have the knowledge to discuss said view.

I am not talking about just on here with the negativity. I guess you aren't on social media? Unfortunately, the negativity does represent our fan base because of social media. It's a battle the administration has to fight by the minute. I know for an absolute fact we lost recruiting battles because of the negativity on social media...

And yes, you did consistently talk about being outcoached or doing things the "wrong" way in your opinion? A literal 5 second search shows at least 4 real quick...

https://www.yosefscabin.com/forum/viewt ... 00#p327600 -- two posts of being outcoached (not wrong, btw.. he was)

https://www.yosefscabin.com/forum/viewt ... 9&#p328059 -- post about how going for it prevents growth and Clark is wrong

https://www.yosefscabin.com/forum/viewt ... 2&#p331602 -- post about being unimaginative and stubborn

https://www.yosefscabin.com/forum/viewt ... 4&#p331664 -- post about Clark making the wrong decisions again...

These are 4 that took me 5 seconds to find. I'm sure there are more, but that's not my point..

Yes, we did get out coached last year... so back to my question/point -- what has changed to make you think an up and coming offensive mastermind with an elite RB cannot do that in the first game of the season with a lot of young new starters, multiple new coaches, and a new DC?

[ASUFan4863]

So anyways, can you believe Eric Church!!!

Don’t forget about that Canadian football league coach that one time coached on the same team as Armanti

[Saint3333]

I stand by all four of those posts as well as the fact we outcoached Jimbo.

“Mastermind”, now you’re just trolling me, well played.

Sloan is technically a new DC for us this year, but I don’t view this really as a needle mover, certainly not as the detriment described above. I believe our defensive line and secondary will be improved and Gwebb will be breaking in a new QB.

I’ll set the line at 14 are you taking GWebb?

We made some nice off-season moves and I’m optimistic about the season overall.

[PPKA2019]

After watching some tape of GW and going through Clark’s game plan, I am positive that the team who scores the most points will win the game.

[WVAPPeer]

AppStateNews, I don't know if you agree with me on this but the two most overused and absurd phrases are --- "Coach A was outcoached by Coach B" - and - "Team A just wanted it more than Team B"
Of course it does happen from time-to-time that one coach does outcoach another but when dealing with solid programs with solid coaching staffs it is rare - things happen within games that can turn the tide which neither coach did anything to cause (a crazy bounce of the ball, a clearly missed penalty, injuries, weather, etc.). When Coach A has devised a game plan that catches Coach B totally unprepared and Coach B can't make needed adjustments then that would probably qualify but how often does that happen with solid teams and solid coaches?
And I will say this - go into a locker room after your team just lost a heartbreaking game played between two teams who have worked their asses off for months and say, "Well they just wanted it more than you" and you'd be lucky to leave there with your nuts still intact ---

[AppStateNews]

I stand by all four of those posts as well as the fact we outcoached Jimbo.

“Mastermind”, now you’re just trolling me, well played.

Sloan is technically a new DC for us this year, but I don’t view this really as a needle mover, certainly not as the detriment described above. I believe our defensive line and secondary will be improved and Gwebb will be breaking in a new QB.

I’ll set the line at 14 are you taking GWebb?

We made some nice off-season moves and I’m optimistic about the season overall.

I'm very optimistic as well. But, until it can be proven it doesn't need to be, it's a very cautious optimism from me. There are too many unknowns right now (new staff, new starters).

Also, while Sloan has been here before, he was only the co-DC because he called the red zone plays. His scheme is slightly different than what we have run and you'll see more nickel than before.

I don't bet on sports, but if I had to choose a line where I'd feel inclined to with this have, I'd say anything below 15 I would take App. Anything above 17, I would take GW to cover but still lose the game.

[WVAPPeer]

And NO - as much as I really pull for Coach Clark and want him to win every game - He did not outcoach Jimbo Fisher - his team outplayed Jimbo's team but to me that is not the same as outcoaching him ---

[Saint3333]

Gwebb has just as many unknowns and starting with less overall talent and certainly less depth. I’m pretty found of a healthy Noel as well. Don’t be surprised if he has more yards than the super elite running bulldog. Anyone that sleeps on that guy will get burned.

You’ll be able to make some money betting on Gwebb this weekend, the line will be above 17.

I don’t bet on App games either though, have to take emotion out of financial decisions.

[Saint3333]

And NO - as much as I really pull for Coach Clark and want him to win every game - He did not outcoach Jimbo Fisher - his team outplayed Jimbo's team but to me that is not the same as outcoaching him ---

Jimbo got beat in the first half of that game the Monday-Thursday of that week in game prep and then made minimal to zero adjustments in the second half and got outcoached.

The players executed the gameplan and plays, but you have to give Clark and Co a lot of credit for the job they did that week.

[WVAPPeer]

I gave Coach Clark and the team a lot of credit - explain how you know Jimbo wasn't prepared the week of and what should he have done at half to adjust?

[WVAPPeer]

Now if you want to say that about Lloyd Carr I would agree

[AppDub]

I wonder how many of our RBs would average over 100 yds if they weren't on a rotation?

[Saint3333]

I gave Coach Clark and the team a lot of credit - explain how you know Jimbo wasn't prepared the week of and what should he have done at half to adjust?

Burden of proof falls to the loser on this one. Explain how the losing coach of the more talented team made adjustments and out schemed and outcoached Clark yet still came up short.

This is a constant criticism of Jimbo, especially lately.

[WVAPPeer]

Can you read??? - I never said anything about Jimbo outcoaching Coach Clark