It's Bur....Joey Time! - GW discussion

[Bigdaddyg1]

I think we have 2 good QB’s. Joey played well but did benefit from playing in the second half where line adjustments were made, he had more time to throw and the scholarship difference/depth really started to show itself for GW.

I think he also benefitted from a more open playbook. We seemed to be very conservative when Ryan was at the helm. Including runs on third and long.

Prior to getting injured, Burger had 2 good throws of decent length. The only ill-advised throw was down the sideline into coverage. It was the one where he rolled a little left and had time to pass. Just no one open. Armchair QB and TV announcers thought he should have ran it on that play... hindsight is 20/20 vision especially when your sipping a coke while watching .
As previously stated, I thought Burger did pretty good job for first time being QB1. With that said, Aguilar provided a lift. Whether he wants to or not ...if not his desired first option, Aguilar is going to have to run some this weekend...and show he can pass either on the run or shifts in the pocket and set feet and go. He did not seem to mind giving a hit to someone. Overall, make quick decisions and live with the results. Let's Go App!!

I've often said that it might be cool to have a camera angle during a game that is moving behind the offense (kind of like being in the north end zone) that would give the real perspective of what the QB sees and to also have a more direct view of the routes the receivers run. No way to simulate a real game situation in practice with the heart beating and all of the noise going on. Like you said sitting in a chair sipping a drink makes it easy to say what a player should or should not do. Often a QB either doesn't see the defender, doesn't go through progressions or simply panics and makes a bad decision. The difference in a good or great QB versus a decent or average is mental. I don't put that much stock in the arm piece. While it's great to have a cannon most good college and pro QB's can throw it.

[AppSt94]

Does anyone know for sure how long Burger will be out? What is the healing time until a guy can throw a ball?

The official prognosis is 3-4 weeks. But it all depends on how fast the bone fuses back together and if the velocity comes back. I’m sure there will be a level of pain tolerance involved but he has already proven that he has a high threshold.

[AppinVA]

2018 Final Score
App State 72
Gardner Webb 7
(just saying)

Will be interesting to see how Joey A responds when one of those Tar Heels, Pirates, or Cowboys hits him in the mouth on a blitz over the next 3 weeks. Those aren't 1-AA Baptist school defenses he will be facing.

Damn. Why did we give up 7?

[WVAPPeer]

Maybe it was only me, but I think I saw open running lanes in the first half that were not taken advantage of - I need to watch it again - Not blaming anyone because it could be caused by RB not finding the hole or OL not creating the proper lane or the defense busting up the play. I just didn't get the feeling that there was a brick wall there that we weren't penetrating -

[AppSt94]

2018 Final Score
App State 72
Gardner Webb 7
(just saying)

Will be interesting to see how Joey A responds when one of those Tar Heels, Pirates, or Cowboys hits him in the mouth on a blitz over the next 3 weeks. Those aren't 1-AA Baptist school defenses he will be facing.

It’s OK to drink from a full cup every now and then. Just sayin’.

[AtlAppMan]

2018 Final Score
App State 72
Gardner Webb 7
(just saying)

Will be interesting to see how Joey A responds when one of those Tar Heels, Pirates, or Cowboys hits him in the mouth on a blitz over the next 3 weeks. Those aren't 1-AA Baptist school defenses he will be facing.

To be fair in 2018
GW was 3-8 and year before they were 1-10
App was 11-2 coming off a 9-4 year.
It was 3rd game of year for App after we lost to Penn State in opener and Southern Miss cancelled. Our goal that day was to make a statement.

GW is a hugely better team this year and our goal was to use this as a tuneup game for UNC game.

Totally different circumstances IMO

[Saint3333]

2018 Final Score
App State 72
Gardner Webb 7
(just saying)

Will be interesting to see how Joey A responds when one of those Tar Heels, Pirates, or Cowboys hits him in the mouth on a blitz over the next 3 weeks. Those aren't 1-AA Baptist school defenses he will be facing.

The mental gymnastics to reference a game from 2018 to attempt to make this point is impressive.

Just not in a good way.

[Black Saturday]

2018 Final Score
App State 72
Gardner Webb 7
(just saying)

Will be interesting to see how Joey A responds when one of those Tar Heels, Pirates, or Cowboys hits him in the mouth on a blitz over the next 3 weeks. Those aren't 1-AA Baptist school defenses he will be facing.

To be fair in 2018
GW was 3-8 and year before they were 1-10
App was 11-2 coming off a 9-4 year.
It was 3rd game of year for App after we lost to Penn State in opener and Southern Miss cancelled. Our goal that day was to make a statement.

GW is a hugely better team this year and our goal was to use this as a tuneup game for UNC game.

Totally different circumstances IMO

I know, everybody we play is the best

[AppSt94]

2018 Final Score
App State 72
Gardner Webb 7
(just saying)

Will be interesting to see how Joey A responds when one of those Tar Heels, Pirates, or Cowboys hits him in the mouth on a blitz over the next 3 weeks. Those aren't 1-AA Baptist school defenses he will be facing.

To be fair in 2018
GW was 3-8 and year before they were 1-10
App was 11-2 coming off a 9-4 year.
It was 3rd game of year for App after we lost to Penn State in opener and Southern Miss cancelled. Our goal that day was to make a statement.

GW is a hugely better team this year and our goal was to use this as a tuneup game for UNC game.

Totally different circumstances IMO

I know, everybody we play is the best

Now I know why DoE only drinks from a half full glass. It’s because you have the other half.

[Parks&RecAPP]

Maybe it was only me, but I think I saw open running lanes in the first half that were not taken advantage of - I need to watch it again - Not blaming anyone because it could be caused by RB not finding the hole or OL not creating the proper lane or the defense busting up the play. I just didn't get the feeling that there was a brick wall there that we weren't penetrating -

All offseason we heard about how much more mobile our QB's are this season compared to the last two with CB, yet there were a handful of plays in the 1st half where Burger could've easily picked up 3-5+ yards with his legs rather than throwing an incomplete pass that would've put us in a better position for getting a 1st down or going for it on 4th with short yardage.

[311neers]

Maybe it was only me, but I think I saw open running lanes in the first half that were not taken advantage of - I need to watch it again - Not blaming anyone because it could be caused by RB not finding the hole or OL not creating the proper lane or the defense busting up the play. I just didn't get the feeling that there was a brick wall there that we weren't penetrating -

All offseason we heard about how much more mobile our QB's are this season compared to the last two with CB, yet there were a handful of plays in the 1st half where Burger could've easily picked up 3-5+ yards with his legs rather than throwing an incomplete pass that would've put us in a better position for getting a 1st down or going for it on 4th with short yardage.

He was tentative. Game looked a little too fast for him at the moment. The injury is very unfortunate, was hoping to see what he had as we could tell the talent is there.

[JTApps1]

Maybe it was only me, but I think I saw open running lanes in the first half that were not taken advantage of - I need to watch it again - Not blaming anyone because it could be caused by RB not finding the hole or OL not creating the proper lane or the defense busting up the play. I just didn't get the feeling that there was a brick wall there that we weren't penetrating -

All offseason we heard about how much more mobile our QB's are this season compared to the last two with CB, yet there were a handful of plays in the 1st half where Burger could've easily picked up 3-5+ yards with his legs rather than throwing an incomplete pass that would've put us in a better position for getting a 1st down or going for it on 4th with short yardage.

He broke his finger on the first possession. I'm sure that had him a bit hesitant to run. I'd imagine our coaches wanted him to limit running in that game as much as possible even before the injury.

[AtlAppMan]

2018 Final Score
App State 72
Gardner Webb 7
(just saying)

Will be interesting to see how Joey A responds when one of those Tar Heels, Pirates, or Cowboys hits him in the mouth on a blitz over the next 3 weeks. Those aren't 1-AA Baptist school defenses he will be facing.

To be fair in 2018
GW was 3-8 and year before they were 1-10
App was 11-2 coming off a 9-4 year.
It was 3rd game of year for App after we lost to Penn State in opener and Southern Miss cancelled. Our goal that day was to make a statement.

GW is a hugely better team this year and our goal was to use this as a tuneup game for UNC game.

Totally different circumstances IMO

I know, everybody we play is the best

Not saying that at all but just saying the two were definitely different situations that require a different expectation.

[appgrad95&97]

In a way yes. Joey benefited from a healthy hand. If you listened to Clark’s show last night, he said that Burger broke his finger very early on. This affected his ability to throw a deep ball. GW saw this and crowded the box to stop the run. When Joey came in, they ran three verticals on the very first play and that opened up the box and allowed for Ponce to call more plays.

Why were we playing an injured QB for almost a half?

[AppStateNews]

In a way yes. Joey benefited from a healthy hand. If you listened to Clark’s show last night, he said that Burger broke his finger very early on. This affected his ability to throw a deep ball. GW saw this and crowded the box to stop the run. When Joey came in, they ran three verticals on the very first play and that opened up the box and allowed for Ponce to call more plays.

Why were we playing an injured QB for almost a half?

If the player doesn't let anybody know the significance of the injury, how do you expect anybody to know?

Burger told everybody he was fine to play until it got hit again and he could no longer take the pain.

[biggie]

In a way yes. Joey benefited from a healthy hand. If you listened to Clark’s show last night, he said that Burger broke his finger very early on. This affected his ability to throw a deep ball. GW saw this and crowded the box to stop the run. When Joey came in, they ran three verticals on the very first play and that opened up the box and allowed for Ponce to call more plays.

Why were we playing an injured QB for almost a half?

Clark discussed it some during last night's Mountaineer Talk. First time he mentioned it was broken, but of course no one knew that until after he come out and he still didn't really want to come up apparently.

[AppSt94]

In a way yes. Joey benefited from a healthy hand. If you listened to Clark’s show last night, he said that Burger broke his finger very early on. This affected his ability to throw a deep ball. GW saw this and crowded the box to stop the run. When Joey came in, they ran three verticals on the very first play and that opened up the box and allowed for Ponce to call more plays.

Why were we playing an injured QB for almost a half?

My guess is that in the moment, they knew he was hurt (jammed finger) but not injured (broken finger).

[appgrad95&97]

In a way yes. Joey benefited from a healthy hand. If you listened to Clark’s show last night, he said that Burger broke his finger very early on. This affected his ability to throw a deep ball. GW saw this and crowded the box to stop the run. When Joey came in, they ran three verticals on the very first play and that opened up the box and allowed for Ponce to call more plays.

Why were we playing an injured QB for almost a half?

If the player doesn't let anybody know the significance of the injury, how do you expect anybody to know?

Burger told everybody he was fine to play until it got hit again and he could no longer take the pain.

This is what drives me absolutely up the wall. 94 points out that GW knew Burger was hurt and made a defensive adjustment. Burger's QBR was 19. Clearly there was an issue. He was hurt that's not his fault. But a criticism of Clark is he can be stubborn.

[AppStateNews]

In a way yes. Joey benefited from a healthy hand. If you listened to Clark’s show last night, he said that Burger broke his finger very early on. This affected his ability to throw a deep ball. GW saw this and crowded the box to stop the run. When Joey came in, they ran three verticals on the very first play and that opened up the box and allowed for Ponce to call more plays.

Why were we playing an injured QB for almost a half?

If the player doesn't let anybody know the significance of the injury, how do you expect anybody to know?

Burger told everybody he was fine to play until it got hit again and he could no longer take the pain.

This is what drives me absolutely up the wall. 94 points out that GW knew Burger was hurt and made a defensive adjustment. Burger's QBR was 19. Clearly there was an issue. He was hurt that's not his fault. But a criticism of Clark is he can be stubborn.

Even in the post game presser, Clark said he made the decision to go to Aguilar because Burger had a jammed finger. A jammed finger! He had no idea it was broken even after the game. He put Aguilar in not based on any kind of injury (again, Clark still thought it was just a jammed finger -- nothing serious). He took him out based on performance (which turns out was less than what was expected because the injury happened on the first drive).

Anybody and everybody saw the fingers taped together. GW did too. That doesn't mean anybody and everybody knew the significance of the injury. Even when Burger was taken out, he fought against it. He didn't want to be taken out -- again, making it seem like it wasn't that significant of an injury.

You are reaching -- as you do on everything -- just to put the blame on Clark. It really must be exhausting to be that spiteful towards a person that no matter what, he is the bad guy...

[biggie]

In a way yes. Joey benefited from a healthy hand. If you listened to Clark’s show last night, he said that Burger broke his finger very early on. This affected his ability to throw a deep ball. GW saw this and crowded the box to stop the run. When Joey came in, they ran three verticals on the very first play and that opened up the box and allowed for Ponce to call more plays.

Why were we playing an injured QB for almost a half?

If the player doesn't let anybody know the significance of the injury, how do you expect anybody to know?

Burger told everybody he was fine to play until it got hit again and he could no longer take the pain.

This is what drives me absolutely up the wall. 94 points out that GW knew Burger was hurt and made a defensive adjustment. Burger's QBR was 19. Clearly there was an issue. He was hurt that's not his fault. But a criticism of Clark is he can be stubborn.

A coach has to listen to the players as well, especially the QB I'd say. I'm sure even if he said he was fine the decision would have been made to put in Joey at half after seeing him struggle and then an exam at halftime as well.