Wyoming Discussion

[yosef69]

I looked back at 2016 as an example. We went 10-3 and people thought we were fantastic. We beat Savannah State, ODU who had just moved up, Idaho, New Mexico State, got throttled by Miami at home and beat some bad Belt teams. I'll rephrase the earlier question. Since the 2016 season how many "quality wins" do we have- the opponent finished with at least 7 wins (just use that as a base) and how many bad losses (the opponent finished with a .500 or worse final record)? I'm guessing that we have more bad losses than quality wins. We beat CCU when they were ranked. After that what?

This is a great post...

Satt coached against 5 ranked teams during his total tenure.

Clark coached against 3 ranked teams alone on one season. And the SBC the last 3 seasons has had multiple top 25 ranked teams, ULL, Coastal. It's a different tax bracket Clark is coaching in.

His job is to win football games. Doesn’t matter who we are playing, if you can’t win, we will have to see if someone else can.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

They beat us with 3 plays basically. We dominated the rest of the game. So disappointed. Our defense was outstanding. Our offense will be fine for most of our remaining games, Marshall and JMU will be a challenge.

[AppAlum16]

Just curious how a blocked kick is on Clark. Was he one of the two guys that got destroyed by one guy up the middle?

Just curious how the fumbled lateral is on Clark. If Davis catches it, he may still be running. But, did Clark make the dumb decision to throw it? And even if he did, did he drop the pass and then stand there and watch the defender grab it?

I haven't read the entire thread since I was at the game, but they ran the game plan to perfection minus those 2 and the final play. We destroyed in TOP. We dominated on defense. We did exactly what we had to do to win the game -- except for the two plays above.

I obviously haven't gone back to watch it yet, but all clock management decisions were done by Ware, Watts, and Ponce.. with Clark making final decision -- not once did he go against the suggestion from what I could tell (which again, may be bad but I haven't gone back to watch so unsure).

I'm not going to say Clark had nothing to do with this since I haven't gone back to watch it yet (and it's hard as a fan on the sidelines to pay that close of attention to the details), but if those two plays above don't happen, we win by 2 or 3 scores. And if Joey makes the right decision on the final play, Noel is literally walking in to the end zone to walk it off.

To me, this game is 100% on the red zone offense -- or lack there of. The fact we had the lead at half after 4 red zone drives and no TDs and a gift of a fumble was incredible.

And a coach the first thing you should say when practicing this play is 1)don’t throw it backwards and 2)if you don’t catch it fall on it to be safe. That’s coaching. The fact that neither happened makes one think it wasn’t mentioned.

[AppDub]

Satterfield lost at UMASS.

Drink is the only one hit wonder perfect coach App has seen -- he left town cause he knew 13-1 wasn't happening each year.

Perspective

I think people on both sides of the argument have the perspective that 13-1 isn't happening every year. The concern is that 6-6 shouldn't either. Plenty of football left to bend the trend back upward and we have the players to do it.

[DenverOfTheEast]

A tax bracket App created. You leave that part out conveniently. We set the standard for the last two decades, some of us aren’t as willing to concede the crown. Sorry that bothers you.

2 decades?? We only been in the SBC since 2014 - and yes App set the standard, my point is other programs aren't going to sit by and not put up a fight, resources etc. Ya'll compare Clark to the past and all things considering that isn't totally fair. A lot of close games he's won as well. Go do your research. You guys have 3 week amnesia from when you were blowing off JA after the G Webb win, now it's "bench his tail"

[AppStateNews]

The thing is, if Clark made the opposite calls than he did, the same people bitching and complaining would still be bitching and complaining.

I haven't gone back to watch fully (I will when I get back home), but from the highlights I've watched, I think the only thing questionable is the 3rd down pass to essentially give an extra timeout to Wyoming -- which ended up not being an issue since they blocked the FG any way.

Going for the FG was 100% the right call. Go up by 8 with an offense that couldn't do anything 95% of the night. Obviously execution wasn't the best.

[asucrazy]

Af ter looking at the postgame stats on the App website i am stunned we lost this game, total yardage , first downs , time of possession, we dominated ! If you are not consistent in scoring TD's in the red zone this is the result. On to ULM!

[LKN_Lawyer]

I looked back at 2016 as an example. We went 10-3 and people thought we were fantastic. We beat Savannah State, ODU who had just moved up, Idaho, New Mexico State, got throttled by Miami at home and beat some bad Belt teams. I'll rephrase the earlier question. Since the 2016 season how many "quality wins" do we have- the opponent finished with at least 7 wins (just use that as a base) and how many bad losses (the opponent finished with a .500 or worse final record)? I'm guessing that we have more bad losses than quality wins. We beat CCU when they were ranked. After that what?

This is a great post...

Satt coached against 5 ranked teams during his total tenure.

Clark coached against 3 ranked teams alone on one season. And the SBC the last 3 seasons has had multiple top 25 ranked teams, ULL, Coastal. It's a different tax bracket Clark is coaching in.

And we are still a better overall program than these programs and have proven multiple times that we should be beating them on the field (save the one ULL game where they just were clearly the better team).

No one is saying that we must win every game but it sure it is easier as a fanbase to handle loses when the coach is out there taking risks trying to win the game instead of having the same predictable issues arise.

It’s better to strike out swinging trying to put the ball in play than take strike 3 hoping to walk in the winning run.

[DenverOfTheEast]

I looked back at 2016 as an example. We went 10-3 and people thought we were fantastic. We beat Savannah State, ODU who had just moved up, Idaho, New Mexico State, got throttled by Miami at home and beat some bad Belt teams. I'll rephrase the earlier question. Since the 2016 season how many "quality wins" do we have- the opponent finished with at least 7 wins (just use that as a base) and how many bad losses (the opponent finished with a .500 or worse final record)? I'm guessing that we have more bad losses than quality wins. We beat CCU when they were ranked. After that what?

This is a great post...

Satt coached against 5 ranked teams during his total tenure.

Clark coached against 3 ranked teams alone on one season. And the SBC the last 3 seasons has had multiple top 25 ranked teams, ULL, Coastal. It's a different tax bracket Clark is coaching in.

So because the Sun Belt has grown tougher, we just sit back and have pity for Clark, and not talk about his inabilities to keep up? I think it just goes to show even more he's not the right person for the job long term.

keep up? are you serious, 9-3, 10-4, 6-6 -- ask majority of the others if they will take those records and a win over Texas A-M. maybe he needs help in other place outside of his control to keep up.

[BUTCH1991]

Most of this fan base is unrealistic and thinks it's all on the Coach, it isn't, there were physical mistakes that cost us the game. If the game plan was different, there's a chance physical mistakes still cost us. This is the same fan base that almost ran Jerry Moore out of town around 2004 and put a For Sale sign in Satterfield's yard. Coach is far from perfect, but the call to fire coaches after almost any bad play or loss is ridiculous.

[yosef69]

Most of this fan base is unrealistic and thinks it's all on the Coach, it isn't, there were physical mistakes that cost us the game. If the game plan was different, there's a chance physical mistakes still cost us. This is the same fan base that almost ran Jerry Moore out of town around 2004 and put a For Sale sign in Satterfield's yard. Coach is far from perfect, but the call to fire coaches after almost any bad play or loss is ridiculous.

Y’all can’t see past individual games I guess

5-10 against FBS competition since 2021

[LKN_Lawyer]

I looked back at 2016 as an example. We went 10-3 and people thought we were fantastic. We beat Savannah State, ODU who had just moved up, Idaho, New Mexico State, got throttled by Miami at home and beat some bad Belt teams. I'll rephrase the earlier question. Since the 2016 season how many "quality wins" do we have- the opponent finished with at least 7 wins (just use that as a base) and how many bad losses (the opponent finished with a .500 or worse final record)? I'm guessing that we have more bad losses than quality wins. We beat CCU when they were ranked. After that what?

This is a great post...

Satt coached against 5 ranked teams during his total tenure.

Clark coached against 3 ranked teams alone on one season. And the SBC the last 3 seasons has had multiple top 25 ranked teams, ULL, Coastal. It's a different tax bracket Clark is coaching in.

So because the Sun Belt has grown tougher, we just sit back and have pity for Clark, and not talk about his inabilities to keep up? I think it just goes to show even more he's not the right person for the job long term.

keep up? are you serious, 9-3, 10-4, 6-6 -- ask majority of the others if they will take those records and a win over Texas A-M. maybe he needs help in other place outside of his control to keep up.

Did you really cite 6-6 as a good season?

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

I looked back at 2016 as an example. We went 10-3 and people thought we were fantastic. We beat Savannah State, ODU who had just moved up, Idaho, New Mexico State, got throttled by Miami at home and beat some bad Belt teams. I'll rephrase the earlier question. Since the 2016 season how many "quality wins" do we have- the opponent finished with at least 7 wins (just use that as a base) and how many bad losses (the opponent finished with a .500 or worse final record)? I'm guessing that we have more bad losses than quality wins. We beat CCU when they were ranked. After that what?

This is a great post...

Satt coached against 5 ranked teams during his total tenure.

Clark coached against 3 ranked teams alone on one season. And the SBC the last 3 seasons has had multiple top 25 ranked teams, ULL, Coastal. It's a different tax bracket Clark is coaching in.

So because the Sun Belt has grown tougher, we just sit back and have pity for Clark, and not talk about his inabilities to keep up? I think it just goes to show even more he's not the right person for the job long term.

keep up? are you serious, 9-3, 10-4, 6-6 -- ask majority of the others if they will take those records and a win over Texas A-M. maybe he needs help in other place outside of his control to keep up.

When was his last Sun Belt title?

[ASUTodd]

I looked back at 2016 as an example. We went 10-3 and people thought we were fantastic. We beat Savannah State, ODU who had just moved up, Idaho, New Mexico State, got throttled by Miami at home and beat some bad Belt teams. I'll rephrase the earlier question. Since the 2016 season how many "quality wins" do we have- the opponent finished with at least 7 wins (just use that as a base) and how many bad losses (the opponent finished with a .500 or worse final record)? I'm guessing that we have more bad losses than quality wins. We beat CCU when they were ranked. After that what?

This is a great post...

Satt coached against 5 ranked teams during his total tenure.

Clark coached against 3 ranked teams alone on one season. And the SBC the last 3 seasons has had multiple top 25 ranked teams, ULL, Coastal. It's a different tax bracket Clark is coaching in.

So because the Sun Belt has grown tougher, we just sit back and have pity for Clark, and not talk about his inabilities to keep up? I think it just goes to show even more he's not the right person for the job long term.

keep up? are you serious, 9-3, 10-4, 6-6 -- ask majority of the others if they will take those records and a win over Texas A-M. maybe he needs help in other place outside of his control to keep up.

Our new slogan..... "Come to App State and be medicore in life!". Or.... "Half are worse than us".

[LKN_Lawyer]

Most of this fan base is unrealistic and thinks it's all on the Coach, it isn't, there were physical mistakes that cost us the game. If the game plan was different, there's a chance physical mistakes still cost us. This is the same fan base that almost ran Jerry Moore out of town around 2004 and put a For Sale sign in Satterfield's yard. Coach is far from perfect, but the call to fire coaches after almost any bad play or loss is ridiculous.

It’s not one loss - it’s the mounting pile of them for the same reasons - poor clock/game management and game plans that even Bob Jones would call too conservative

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

I looked back at 2016 as an example. We went 10-3 and people thought we were fantastic. We beat Savannah State, ODU who had just moved up, Idaho, New Mexico State, got throttled by Miami at home and beat some bad Belt teams. I'll rephrase the earlier question. Since the 2016 season how many "quality wins" do we have- the opponent finished with at least 7 wins (just use that as a base) and how many bad losses (the opponent finished with a .500 or worse final record)? I'm guessing that we have more bad losses than quality wins. We beat CCU when they were ranked. After that what?

This is a great post...

Satt coached against 5 ranked teams during his total tenure.

Clark coached against 3 ranked teams alone on one season. And the SBC the last 3 seasons has had multiple top 25 ranked teams, ULL, Coastal. It's a different tax bracket Clark is coaching in.

So because the Sun Belt has grown tougher, we just sit back and have pity for Clark, and not talk about his inabilities to keep up? I think it just goes to show even more he's not the right person for the job long term.

keep up? are you serious, 9-3, 10-4, 6-6 -- ask majority of the others if they will take those records and a win over Texas A-M. maybe he needs help in other place outside of his control to keep up.

Did you really cite 6-6 as a good season?

He did. He's more concerned about Clark keeping his job so that we can be miserable though

[DenverOfTheEast]

I looked back at 2016 as an example. We went 10-3 and people thought we were fantastic. We beat Savannah State, ODU who had just moved up, Idaho, New Mexico State, got throttled by Miami at home and beat some bad Belt teams. I'll rephrase the earlier question. Since the 2016 season how many "quality wins" do we have- the opponent finished with at least 7 wins (just use that as a base) and how many bad losses (the opponent finished with a .500 or worse final record)? I'm guessing that we have more bad losses than quality wins. We beat CCU when they were ranked. After that what?

This is a great post...

Satt coached against 5 ranked teams during his total tenure.

Clark coached against 3 ranked teams alone on one season. And the SBC the last 3 seasons has had multiple top 25 ranked teams, ULL, Coastal. It's a different tax bracket Clark is coaching in.

So because the Sun Belt has grown tougher, we just sit back and have pity for Clark, and not talk about his inabilities to keep up? I think it just goes to show even more he's not the right person for the job long term.

keep up? are you serious, 9-3, 10-4, 6-6 -- ask majority of the others if they will take those records and a win over Texas A-M. maybe he needs help in other place outside of his control to keep up.

Did you really cite 6-6 as a good season?

It's not a losing season

It's also technically being Bowl eligible.

Beat A and M, lost to UNC on a 2 point conversion, so 6-6 when you break it down wasn't all bad. they didn't have a bad loss.

Compared to others not great but it isn't awful.

[LKN_Lawyer]

I looked back at 2016 as an example. We went 10-3 and people thought we were fantastic. We beat Savannah State, ODU who had just moved up, Idaho, New Mexico State, got throttled by Miami at home and beat some bad Belt teams. I'll rephrase the earlier question. Since the 2016 season how many "quality wins" do we have- the opponent finished with at least 7 wins (just use that as a base) and how many bad losses (the opponent finished with a .500 or worse final record)? I'm guessing that we have more bad losses than quality wins. We beat CCU when they were ranked. After that what?

This is a great post...

Satt coached against 5 ranked teams during his total tenure.

Clark coached against 3 ranked teams alone on one season. And the SBC the last 3 seasons has had multiple top 25 ranked teams, ULL, Coastal. It's a different tax bracket Clark is coaching in.

So because the Sun Belt has grown tougher, we just sit back and have pity for Clark, and not talk about his inabilities to keep up? I think it just goes to show even more he's not the right person for the job long term.

keep up? are you serious, 9-3, 10-4, 6-6 -- ask majority of the others if they will take those records and a win over Texas A-M. maybe he needs help in other place outside of his control to keep up.

Our new slogan..... "Come to App State and be medicore in life!". Or.... "Half are worse than us".

Instead of hot hot hot…just lukewarm

[LKN_Lawyer]

This is a great post...

Satt coached against 5 ranked teams during his total tenure.

Clark coached against 3 ranked teams alone on one season. And the SBC the last 3 seasons has had multiple top 25 ranked teams, ULL, Coastal. It's a different tax bracket Clark is coaching in.

So because the Sun Belt has grown tougher, we just sit back and have pity for Clark, and not talk about his inabilities to keep up? I think it just goes to show even more he's not the right person for the job long term.

keep up? are you serious, 9-3, 10-4, 6-6 -- ask majority of the others if they will take those records and a win over Texas A-M. maybe he needs help in other place outside of his control to keep up.

Did you really cite 6-6 as a good season?

It's not a losing season

It's also technically being Bowl eligible.

Beat A and M, lost to UNC on a 2 point conversion, so 6-6 when you break it down wasn't all bad. they didn't have a bad loss.

Compared to others not great but it isn't awful.

That is quintessential loser mentality. Bet you were awarded a lot of participation trophies as a child. Probably pee sitting down as well.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

Most of this fan base is unrealistic and thinks it's all on the Coach, it isn't, there were physical mistakes that cost us the game. If the game plan was different, there's a chance physical mistakes still cost us. This is the same fan base that almost ran Jerry Moore out of town around 2004 and put a For Sale sign in Satterfield's yard. Coach is far from perfect, but the call to fire coaches after almost any bad play or loss is ridiculous.

It’s not one loss - it’s the mounting pile of them for the same reasons - poor clock/game management and game plans that even Bob Jones would call too conservative

Exactly, and that's what people like Denver if the East fail to realize. His coaching has been questionable for years now, not just because of one game. Some are content with 8 win seasons even if it means we don't win the conference as long as we make a bowl game. In their eyes that's good enough.