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Re: Basketball is here!

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:41 pm

Brown is gonna hurt us if he doesn't improve at the line. He just throws it up there with no backspin rotation.

Mantis can fill it up

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Unread post by 311neers » Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:41 pm

Mantis!!! On fire.

Doesn’t look like Wilson, Strothers or Greene are dressed out tonight.

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Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:46 pm

Does Kendall get paid to say Holmes Convocation Center 25 times per game?

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Unread post by proasu89 » Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:51 pm

Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:46 pm
Does Kendall get paid to say Holmes Convocation Center 25 times per game?
You betcha!

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Unread post by 311neers » Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:55 pm

Greene is in! Good for him. Crowd favorite

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Unread post by AppGrad78 » Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:10 pm

I believe the plan is to redshirt Wilson.

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Unread post by appvette » Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:48 pm

proasu89 wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:51 pm
Bigdaddyg1 wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:46 pm
Does Kendall get paid to say Holmes Convocation Center 25 times per game?
You betcha!
Hahahaha

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Unread post by 311neers » Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:55 pm

Would love to see Holmes Convo go with black seats and thicker borders on the court, especially along the baseline. Something small that can be done during an offseason and won’t break the bank.

Good win and it’s great to see a lot of guys play!

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Unread post by Cro-Magnon App » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:46 pm

48% from the line.

I thought OC was in Atlanta.

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Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:31 am

It will be nice having Tate and Marsh running PG, think that will help Gregory with his offensive production. Tate had a sweet pass down low to Spiller who seems to have a good post presence. All the dunking was fun to watch as well. Looking forward to seeing how we do against real teams.

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Unread post by MrCraig » Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:46 am

I loved seeing the pictures on Twitter of a well-populated student section. If they get that many people for the MIGHTY OAKS, Holmes will be rocking for some of the bigger opponents.

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Unread post by Cro-Magnon App » Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:18 am

I don’t like the changes to the rule on taking a charge. The NCAA is going the way of the NBA = no defense allowed.

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Unread post by AppOrange » Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:28 am

FT percentage sucks, do better, it’s the second easiest shot in the game.

Other than that, excited about this teams potential.
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Unread post by appfanjj » Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:22 am

If we lose to Northern Illinois (or anyone else) by more than the number of free throws we miss that is a real issue. Suffered through this same deal last season. Can't leave those points on the floor. Need to get to the line a lot and make them. Kerns addressed it last night on the post game radio interview without the question even being asked.
Did not seem to see it as a concern at all. I am curious about that.

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Unread post by appfanjj » Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:40 am

Since this thread is about SBC basketball I will say that JMU looks pretty darn good at this point. Poised against MSU.

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Unread post by MrCraig » Wed Nov 08, 2023 12:27 pm

appfanjj wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:22 am
If we lose to Northern Illinois (or anyone else) by more than the number of free throws we miss that is a real issue. Suffered through this same deal last season. Can't leave those points on the floor. Need to get to the line a lot and make them. Kerns addressed it last night on the post game radio interview without the question even being asked.
Did not seem to see it as a concern at all. I am curious about that.
I haven't ever done a deep dig about it, but I've heard some statistics that say free throws aren't THAT important, especially since they are only one point. I just looked real quick at FT% for NCAA tournament teams last year. Of the final four, Miami was #10 in FT% and UConn was #37. The other two teams weren't even in the top 75, unless I missed them. Meanwhile, the team with the best FT% in the nation, Texas A&M- Corpus Christi, was bounced in the first round. ON THE OTHER HAND, Fairleigh Dickinson had a FT% of 75.7% and upset Purdue in the first round by 5 points. 5 missed free throws and they might not have made history. So what's my point? I don't really know, but I'd trust Kerns that he knows what he's doing.

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Re: Basketball is here!

Unread post by appfanjj » Wed Nov 08, 2023 12:45 pm

MrCraig wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 12:27 pm
appfanjj wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:22 am
If we lose to Northern Illinois (or anyone else) by more than the number of free throws we miss that is a real issue. Suffered through this same deal last season. Can't leave those points on the floor. Need to get to the line a lot and make them. Kerns addressed it last night on the post game radio interview without the question even being asked.
Did not seem to see it as a concern at all. I am curious about that.
I haven't ever done a deep dig about it, but I've heard some statistics that say free throws aren't THAT important, especially since they are only one point. I just looked real quick at FT% for NCAA tournament teams last year. Of the final four, Miami was #10 in FT% and UConn was #37. The other two teams weren't even in the top 75, unless I missed them. Meanwhile, the team with the best FT% in the nation, Texas A&M- Corpus Christi, was bounced in the first round. ON THE OTHER HAND, Fairleigh Dickinson had a FT% of 75.7% and upset Purdue in the first round by 5 points. 5 missed free throws and they might not have made history. So what's my point? I don't really know, but I'd trust Kerns that he knows what he's doing.
Just seems like a big difference maker if a team loses by let's say 5 and misses let's say 10 free throws. I would love to know how many times we lost last year in games that we missed more than we lost by. I may be way off base but it just seems important if you are pretty even in every other stat.
Kinda like losing a football game by 5 and your kicker missed two pretty makeable FGs.

Close games late when free throws are invaluable worry me. Do you take Brown, with all he offers, off the floor in that situation?

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Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Wed Nov 08, 2023 12:59 pm

Lots of stats can be important or less important depending on what happens to the other team. I've always thought sacks are way overrated especially if it's a 2 yard loss and the other team converts a first down after the sack. Turnovers in basketball might not be bad unless the opponent scores points off of them. If you go to the line 20 times and miss 12 and the opponent scores after the miss it's an important stat. If you shoot 8 FT's and miss 4 it's not a big deal. We shoot a lot because we shoot shots in the paint. I simply can't accept any notion that FT's are not important unless you blow out your opponents.

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Unread post by MrCraig » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:09 pm

appfanjj wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 12:45 pm
MrCraig wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 12:27 pm
appfanjj wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:22 am
If we lose to Northern Illinois (or anyone else) by more than the number of free throws we miss that is a real issue. Suffered through this same deal last season. Can't leave those points on the floor. Need to get to the line a lot and make them. Kerns addressed it last night on the post game radio interview without the question even being asked.
Did not seem to see it as a concern at all. I am curious about that.
I haven't ever done a deep dig about it, but I've heard some statistics that say free throws aren't THAT important, especially since they are only one point. I just looked real quick at FT% for NCAA tournament teams last year. Of the final four, Miami was #10 in FT% and UConn was #37. The other two teams weren't even in the top 75, unless I missed them. Meanwhile, the team with the best FT% in the nation, Texas A&M- Corpus Christi, was bounced in the first round. ON THE OTHER HAND, Fairleigh Dickinson had a FT% of 75.7% and upset Purdue in the first round by 5 points. 5 missed free throws and they might not have made history. So what's my point? I don't really know, but I'd trust Kerns that he knows what he's doing.
Just seems like a big difference maker if a team loses by let's say 5 and misses let's say 10 free throws. I would love to know how many times we lost last year in games that we missed more than we lost by. I may be way off base but it just seems important if you are pretty even in every other stat.
Kinda like losing a football game by 5 and your kicker missed two pretty makeable FGs.

Close games late when free throws are invaluable worry me. Do you take Brown, with all he offers, off the floor in that situation?
I'd imagine FT% is also one of those stats where the difference between average and the best is small, but the difference between average and the worst is large. Like the difference between hitting 7/10 isn't that big of a difference over hitting 5/10 but it's a huge difference over hitting 2/10. So, an average FT shooting team is probably fine, while a bad FT shooting team will cost you games.

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Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:40 pm

MrCraig wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:09 pm
appfanjj wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 12:45 pm
MrCraig wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 12:27 pm
appfanjj wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:22 am
If we lose to Northern Illinois (or anyone else) by more than the number of free throws we miss that is a real issue. Suffered through this same deal last season. Can't leave those points on the floor. Need to get to the line a lot and make them. Kerns addressed it last night on the post game radio interview without the question even being asked.
Did not seem to see it as a concern at all. I am curious about that.
I haven't ever done a deep dig about it, but I've heard some statistics that say free throws aren't THAT important, especially since they are only one point. I just looked real quick at FT% for NCAA tournament teams last year. Of the final four, Miami was #10 in FT% and UConn was #37. The other two teams weren't even in the top 75, unless I missed them. Meanwhile, the team with the best FT% in the nation, Texas A&M- Corpus Christi, was bounced in the first round. ON THE OTHER HAND, Fairleigh Dickinson had a FT% of 75.7% and upset Purdue in the first round by 5 points. 5 missed free throws and they might not have made history. So what's my point? I don't really know, but I'd trust Kerns that he knows what he's doing.
Just seems like a big difference maker if a team loses by let's say 5 and misses let's say 10 free throws. I would love to know how many times we lost last year in games that we missed more than we lost by. I may be way off base but it just seems important if you are pretty even in every other stat.
Kinda like losing a football game by 5 and your kicker missed two pretty makeable FGs.

Close games late when free throws are invaluable worry me. Do you take Brown, with all he offers, off the floor in that situation?
I'd imagine FT% is also one of those stats where the difference between average and the best is small, but the difference between average and the worst is large. Like the difference between hitting 7/10 isn't that big of a difference over hitting 5/10 but it's a huge difference over hitting 2/10. So, an average FT shooting team is probably fine, while a bad FT shooting team will cost you games.

Only really matters if you shoot a bunch. I have looked at team stats and there can be a ton of teams between an 80% average and a 70% average. That might only come down to 3-5 misses or makes. Like I said if we beat teams by 20 it doesn't matter much but if we are in tight games and win by 5 it's important. Just hope we get the average up to a respectable number.

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