I lay this on Preparation.....coaching

asutrnr81 · Unread post by **asutrnr81** » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:33 pm

I expect to get blasted for this but here goes....

We knew for nearly 7 months that Price and Lott had a two game suspension....

We chose to play them against MONTANA, and sit them against the "LOWLY" Citadel, whom we just figured would "show up" again...why else do you play them against a non-conference team.

That "Message" was clear Saturday. Our kids ran onto the field and expected The Citadel to lay down....

Now there are some things that can't be laid at the feet of the current staff. Based on our recruiting, we are definitely going after a different kind of kid. That will take time.
The defensive scheme was not bad but we try so much for the big hit and big play that we under-perform on the base defensive needs.

Offensively, we have to figure out a short yardage offense...and either JJ is hurt (or not as good as we thought) or our "scheme" is lacking....

Appalachman · Unread post by **Appalachman** » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:19 pm

I agree 100%. Coach Moore needs not talk about our first goal being winning the SoCon ever again. We heard consistently from Coach following the national championships and Michigan that winning the SoCon was priority one. We tossed that out the window last week and I shared my thought then. I am confident that Higgins used that to motivate his players, knowing we looked down at them.

I hope JJ is dinged up and can't throw the deep ball, otherwise out playcalling is only slightly improved from the committee days. Hopefully it will heal quickly.

Chard · Unread post by **Chard** » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:26 pm

I haven't seen any mention of the post game comments. Did anyone hear them? Just curious.

I wonder what kind of shakeup the starting positions will have next game? If there isn't any, that is a shame.

sixtoes9134 · Unread post by **sixtoes9134** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:51 am

why would you hope JJ is dinged up? I understand what point you are making, but hoping our players are dinged up is stupid.

In regards to preparation. I truly believe that a HS Defensive Coordinator can probably do a better job coaching a team to defend the TO than what happened on Saturday.

I still cannot believe that after the 1st where we watched the Citadel score everytime they touched the ball that coming out of the half there didn't seem to be 1 defensive adjustment. NOT ONE. That's the problem I have more than anything.

WataugaMan · Unread post by **WataugaMan** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:55 am

sixtoes9134 wrote:I still cannot believe that after the 1st where we watched the Citadel score everytime they touched the ball that coming out of the half there didn't seem to be 1 defensive adjustment. NOT ONE. That's the problem I have more than anything.

No other way around it, we were Totally Outcoached, we didn't have a clue!

sixtoes9134 · Unread post by **sixtoes9134** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:12 am

In some regards, it reminded me of the Maine game.

WataugaMan · Unread post by **WataugaMan** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:25 am

History does tend to repeat itself a lot recently. Actually Saturday's game reminded me moore of the VT game last year.

GoAppsGo92 · Unread post by **GoAppsGo92** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:59 am

Guys, the comments on here are amusing if you take a step back a bit. The Citadel was not going to be denied on Saturday. To play or not play suspended players would not have made a difference in this one... at most 7-10 points.

We got taken to the wood shed by a team that has already built up a strong resume... and may even have another big weekend this Saturday... perhaps that will soften the blow... In any event, our match up has been poor against triple option teams in recent years, especially the first triple option team every year.

The Citadel is 3-0 and beat the #7 and #3 team in the country in the last two weeks. Perhaps a little humility and respect is due. I think we as fans over estimated the quality of the Montana win... a team that could finish 3rd or 4th in the Big Sky and our competitiveness early against ECU... that was humbled by USC a week later.

Our weaknesses are laid bare. I'm guessing that team rules will be adhered to and the students will listen more closely to the teachers from here on out.

sixtoes9134 · Unread post by **sixtoes9134** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:07 am

Price and Lott would have made little difference.

I just still cannot comprehend that coming out of the half, there seemed to be zero adjustment(s) from the defense.

WataugaMan · Unread post by **WataugaMan** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:11 am

GoAppsGo92 wrote: In any event, our match up has been poor against triple option teams in recent years, especially the first triple option team every year.

Yes, history does tend to repeat itself a lot recently.

skjellyfetti · Unread post by **skjellyfetti** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:13 am

asutrnr81 wrote:Our kids ran onto the field and expected The Citadel to lay down....

Yup.

And one of the editors of our newspaper tweeted this on Saturday night:
Meghan Frick ‏@MeghanFrickASU
Took same Safe Ride as one of the players. He told the driver he didn't expect Citadel to "come out there &be that damn good." #appfootball

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:19 am

Tried to post this earlier - don't know where it went out there in cyberland ---

"That "Message" was clear Saturday. Our kids ran onto the field and expected The Citadel to lay down..."

Totally disagree with this assumption - I have NEVER witnessed the Citadel lying down - these guys are unlike 99% of college football players - they are not only students-athletes they are cadets - they are always disciplined, in great shape and tough - Now if the thought is based on head to head W-L records then that is different - Our guys might have taken the field thinking the game was won but let's not disparage the opponent because our team was unprepared ---

I do agree that our team was not prepared and 100% of that lies with the coaches ---

Per the games missed by our players, I think there is another way to look at it - Since we as fans don't know the reason certain games were selected let me put this thought forward - 1. the first game of the season is a huge one to miss regardless of the opponent as these guys have been working for months to get prepared and to not be able to run onto the field that first time with your teammates is huge 2. I would say the first conference game (home especially) is second - So what if Coach Moore looked at this and said which 2 games would send the best message? In my opinion the 2 would be ECU and Citadel - What if the decision was made this way instead of looking at the schedule and guessing which game we would need them less for the second suspension? - I think you are assuming Coach Moore made his decision that way and in reality it could have been made as I suggested ---

Gonzo · Unread post by **Gonzo** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:32 am

WataugaMan wrote:
sixtoes9134 wrote:I still cannot believe that after the 1st where we watched the Citadel score everytime they touched the ball that coming out of the half there didn't seem to be 1 defensive adjustment. NOT ONE. That's the problem I have more than anything.
No other way around it, we were Totally Outcoached, we didn't have a clue!

There's no rational argument otherwise. I knew it was mostly a coaching issue when we came out after half time and there was absolutely no change of the tone of the game at all. No adjustments defensively and certainly no motivation to try and make a comeback. Truly the worst showing of Appalachian football of all time.

Appalachman · Unread post by **Appalachman** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:59 am

I would agree that Price and Lott create a 30 point difference. My point was the staff decisions set the tone for player preparations and focus. The decision said to the players that we have to have these two to beat Montana, but Citadel is not a problem. That decision was before Citadel beat GSU. Only one team came prepared and they won easily. The staff had a difficult job coming off a nice win. Albeit easier than citadel staff had from an upset.

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:50 pm

"My point was the staff decisions set the tone for player preparations and focus. The decision said to the players that we have to have these two to beat Montana, but Citadel is not a problem. That decision was before Citadel beat GSU. "

Again - that is YOUR assumption - see my respond as an alternative in #12

JCline0429 · Unread post by **JCline0429** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:12 pm

Gonzo wrote:
WataugaMan wrote:
sixtoes9134 wrote:I still cannot believe that after the 1st where we watched the Citadel score everytime they touched the ball that coming out of the half there didn't seem to be 1 defensive adjustment. NOT ONE. That's the problem I have more than anything.
No other way around it, we were Totally Outcoached, we didn't have a clue!
There's no rational argument otherwise. I knew it was mostly a coaching issue when we came out after half time and there was absolutely no change of the tone of the game at all. No adjustments defensively and certainly no motivation to try and make a comeback. Truly the worst showing of Appalachian football of all time.

Saturday's game was pathetic, but if you think it was the worst App game of all time, you haven't been around long.

Unread post by **appst89** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:40 pm

JCline0429 wrote:Saturday's game was pathetic, but if you think it was the worst App game of all time, you haven't been around long.

I'm having a hard time not declaring it the worst I have seen at home in my 27 years of watching App football.

Longrifle28 · Unread post by **Longrifle28** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:49 pm

asutrnr81 wrote:I expect to get blasted for this but here goes....

We knew for nearly 7 months that Price and Lott had a two game suspension....

We chose to play them against MONTANA, and sit them against the "LOWLY" Citadel, whom we just figured would "show up" again...why else do you play them against a non-conference team.

That "Message" was clear Saturday. Our kids ran onto the field and expected The Citadel to lay down....

Now there are some things that can't be laid at the feet of the current staff. Based on our recruiting, we are definitely going after a different kind of kid. That will take time.
The defensive scheme was not bad but we try so much for the big hit and big play that we under-perform on the base defensive needs.

Offensively, we have to figure out a short yardage offense...and either JJ is hurt (or not as good as we thought) or our "scheme" is lacking....

I'm not going to disagree with you, but I think we have to also give Citadel credit. It is the third year with Higgins and he has given us pretty much all we could handle the last couple of years. He has a veteran group, they were very disciplined, they had a great gameplan, they EXECUTED, and they didn't let off the gas (all of these things we could take lessons on). I'm also going to go out on a limb here and put recruiting into the mix. I'm not sold that we have recruited any better personnel than anyone else in the SOCON, especially on the offensive or defensive line. To me this was where we got beat the worst saturday. It all starts up front, and we got manhandled. This is why other teams can run on us, this is why we can't run the ball, and this is why JJ is under pressure. Also, Brownie and David said several times that we looked slow, not sure we have the edge in speed anymore.

It will be interesting to see how we now handle the adversity. I am worried about Wofford and Georgia Southern. We haven't stopped anyone yet, and both of those teams owe us beatings. It could get ugly.

JCline0429 · Unread post by **JCline0429** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:51 pm

appst89 wrote:
JCline0429 wrote:Saturday's game was pathetic, but if you think it was the worst App game of all time, you haven't been around long.
I'm having a hard time not declaring it the worst I have seen at home in my 27 years of watching App football.

I didn't realize you were just speaking of home games. The 72-14 thrashing by Chatt in Nooga was the worst I have seen. Saturday's defensive effort was ugly, but if losing by 24 points is the worst you've seen, then we've been pretty damn fortunate.

Unread post by **appst89** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:04 pm

JCline0429 wrote:
appst89 wrote:
JCline0429 wrote:Saturday's game was pathetic, but if you think it was the worst App game of all time, you haven't been around long.
I'm having a hard time not declaring it the worst I have seen at home in my 27 years of watching App football.
I didn't realize you were just speaking of home games. The 72-14 thrashing by Chatt in Nooga was the worst I have seen. Saturday's defensive effort was ugly, but if losing by 24 points is the worst you've seen, then we've been pretty damn fortunate.

I thought it was clear we were talking about home games.

You and I and 24,000+ other people know that wasn't a 24 point game. El Cit could have scored 80 or more if they had wanted to.

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