Clemson game thread and discussion

[JTApps1]

Satterfield inherited a mediocre FCS team.

Clark inherited a top 25 FBS team.

Let’s see what happens the next three weeks before the knives come out.

Satt did a great job of rebuilding the program and getting our name on the map for FBS. He was fortunate that the few power players in the SBC (Troy, UL, Ark state) were on the decline when we joined. Recruiting Lamb at QB and hiring Woody for DC were the best decisions he ever made. The table was set for 2019, but his last recruiting class didn't pan out.

Drink came in and nearly screwed it up by letting Roof change the defense around. Thankfully, he reversed course quickly and we had the dream season that was possible. The issue with Drink is his recruiting class was terrible.

Clark got a bad break with Covid in year one (especially for recruiting), but we played well enough all things considered. Year two was good minus two games vs UL. I think we finally saw the coaching turnover impact (recruiting misses from all three HC's) hit in 2022, and the SBC had improved a ton since 2014. Last year we looked like we finally got back on track. Now it's time to get the job done. We've had several recruiting classes with plenty of transfers to fill in the holes from recruiting misses. A large chunk of the team returns in 2025 so I'd think a SBC Championship should happen either this year or next.

[Black Saturday]

Sign me up for both years with a championship.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Satt didn't have to coach at App State during a
1) Pandemic,
2) National George Floyd distractions that affected the locker room during 2020
3) Transfer Portal
4) NIL

Satt didn't have to coach against ECU, UNC, Texas A M, JMU, Marshall, a ranked Coastal Carolina, a Ranked Louisiana

For Peters sake Satterfield lost to UMASS --- are they even a fully funded program???

Since Clark has taken over - 4 SBC coaches have moved to P5 or multimillion dollar jobs (Chadwell, Napier, Curt, Brown). Shows the depth of the SBC vs now and how weak it was back form 2014-2019.

Sun Belt didn't gain national respect until after 2021 season.

[DenverOfTheEast]

When Eli lost to Ga Southern there were only 18,ooo fans at the game.... No one attended when Satt was coaching, 14,000 a game type numbers.

WEAK SAUCE for an undefeated team at the time.

#TeamCLark popularity and beating #6 Texas A M has made the place explode with 36,ooo per game.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Coastal Carolina schedule 2024

Jacksonville State
William and MAry
Temple
UVA
Then onto SBC games....

That's how you fly under the radar collecting wins and having a chance for CFB playoffs....

Football is purely about scheduling now at the Group of bottom 5 level or whatever it's called, barely above 1-AA level.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I love App State and when we have the prediction thread I never pick us to lose even in games like this where my head clearly tells me that we are gonna take the L. I could not get logged in for days and could only read the posts and wanted to throw up after reading some. I’ve said for years that we have a segment of our “fans” who are simply delusional. Years ago there were comparisons to our roster to a Lamborghini. While it was sold that was a ridiculous comparison. Our early Sunbelt years included Idaho and I believe New Mexico State? I think we also got a Coastal team who had just transitioned from FCS.

I was there Saturday and was as upset as anyone. We had a great weekend at Clemson and I am impressed with their facilities and overall attitude. I personally didn’t have one person talk shit to me. We have close friends whose son is in the special needs Clemson Life program and those folks are absolutely amazing. That’s a completely side comment but I wanted to throw it in.

My overall take/question to the really pissed off App crowd is what outcome did you really expect or would be willing to accept? App blowout win- no way. A 20-17 App win? Sure but it was highly unlikely we hold that offense down. A loss by the same score? Nobody envisioned the ass whipping but as I sat there and looked at the facilities and players it was more than evident that we are simply either JV to their Varsity or double A to their major league. I often read takes about our roster and those who think we have a certain talent level must know more than the eyeballs see. I would like to think our defense could have done better, particularly the defensive backs but in reality the best we have are on a much lower level than highly paid offensive skill guys at the top power schools.

Yep the coach gets paid the big bucks to get results but is it possible that the staff got the best available dudes they could get, prepared them the best they could and the best available isn’t nearly good enough? Some guys commented that a whole different crew of secondary guys should have been back there. I have a hard time believing that we have 3-4 dudes on the depth chart who would have done better.

As far as the CFP goes I had asked way back if people here really wanted to get that 12 spot. Of course I want us to get in and even win the whole thing but Saturday was a glimpse of what it would probably look like- a complete mismatch. Time to move on.

[AppSt94]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

[Stonewall]

I expected to us to compete. We did not. After the third play anyway. A hard fought twenty point loss , ok. A record setting romp , not ok.If we can’t compete don’t schedule the game. Beat EZU. No excuses.

[yosef69]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

A fair point. How do we change it? Is it because we put out teachers? What can we do about this?

[appchicago]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

Living alumni numbers aren't worlds apart either. I'm seeing that Clemson has around 180k and we have around 150k. There's a gap--understandable as our growth has been more recent--but not one that justifies that huge a disparity in fundraising.

I grew up in SC surrounded by Clemson fans, and IPTAY was ubiquitous--an expectation for alumni and parents, as well as WalMart fans. Clemson has the fortune of being one of two tribes in a state where everyone is required to pledge allegiance to either Clemson or USC at an early age--but there's still enormous room for our financial support to grow.

[Stonewall]

Our “ supporters “ are notorious for being tight fisted.

[appchicago]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

A fair point. How do we change it? Is it because we put out teachers? What can we do about this?

According to US News & World Report--which presumably gets these numbers from the universities themselves--App's most popular major for 2022 graduates was business/management/marketing. 20% of graduates. Health professions was 10%. Education was next with 9%. Link here.

For Clemson, it was also 21% business and then 18% engineering. Their health professions percentage was 7%. You can see it all here.

So they do have an edge in some lucrative majors, but we're not a "teachers college" anymore.

[yosef69]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

A fair point. How do we change it? Is it because we put out teachers? What can we do about this?

According to US News & World Report--which presumably gets these numbers from the universities themselves--App's most popular major for 2022 graduates was business/management/marketing. 20% of graduates. Health professions was 10%. Education was next with 9%. Link here.

For Clemson, it was also 21% business and then 18% engineering. Their health professions percentage was 7%. You can see it all here.

So they do have an edge in some lucrative majors, but we're not a "teachers college" anymore.

Then I’m not sure what it is that makes our alumni particularly apprehensive to donate. Is it just a matter of being uneducated about how the football team is funded?

[Oldlknapp]

You folks are getting close to opening up a can of worms that involves a lot more than football.
Granted, it’s a can of worms that needs to be opened.

[AppSt94]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

Living alumni numbers aren't worlds apart either. I'm seeing that Clemson has around 180k and we have around 150k. There's a gap--understandable as our growth has been more recent--but not one that justifies that huge a disparity in fundraising.

I grew up in SC surrounded by Clemson fans, and IPTAY was ubiquitous--an expectation for alumni and parents, as well as WalMart fans. Clemson has the fortune of being one of two tribes in a state where everyone is required to pledge allegiance to either Clemson or USC at an early age--but there's still enormous room for our financial support to grow.

I would add that IPTAY was sold as a minimal indoctrination of $10. It was a different era, but it lent itself to let everyone know that they could join.

[AppinVA]

When Eli lost to Ga Southern there were only 18,ooo fans at the game.... No one attended when Satt was coaching, 14,000 a game type numbers.

WEAK SAUCE for an undefeated team at the time.

#TeamCLark popularity and beating #6 Texas A M has made the place explode with 36,ooo per game.

That is NOT TRUE and you know it. Had it been the case, there would have been talk about not making the threshold attendance numbers to remain on FBS. We haven’t been anywhere close to the 15,000 mark since your buddy Roachel Laney was in charge.

[hapapp]

Of course, the assumption is that athletic donations only come from alums. Given the following that Clemson has throughout the state of SC and beyond, my guess is that alot of folks who don't have alumni ties to the school donate for more than non-alum fans of App.

[AppinVA]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

Living alumni numbers aren't worlds apart either. I'm seeing that Clemson has around 180k and we have around 150k. There's a gap--understandable as our growth has been more recent--but not one that justifies that huge a disparity in fundraising.

I grew up in SC surrounded by Clemson fans, and IPTAY was ubiquitous--an expectation for alumni and parents, as well as WalMart fans. Clemson has the fortune of being one of two tribes in a state where everyone is required to pledge allegiance to either Clemson or USC at an early age--but there's still enormous room for our financial support to grow.

I would add that IPTAY was sold as a minimal indoctrination of $10. It was a different era, but it lent itself to let everyone know that they could join.

It didn’t hurt that SC was mediocre at best when Clemson started building. The Gamecocks had even recently lost to a plucky little school from the mountains of North Carolina.

[ASUTodd]

Im curious to see how many professional basketball and football players Clemson has that contribute to their funding compared to App. Having put more players in multimillion-dollar spots would def boost your intake of funds. Clemson has had 277 players drafted in the NFL to Apps 34. Clemson has had 23 NBA players drafted to Apps 5. Just doing a quick google search to find how many drafted. That isn't how many played total in NFL/NBA.

[NewApp]

Satterfield inherited a mediocre FCS team.

Clark inherited a top 25 FBS team.

Let’s see what happens the next three weeks before the knives come out.

Satt did a great job of rebuilding the program and getting our name on the map for FBS. He was fortunate that the few power players in the SBC (Troy, UL, Ark state) were on the decline when we joined. Recruiting Lamb at QB and hiring Woody for DC were the best decisions he ever made. The table was set for 2019, but his last recruiting class didn't pan out.

Drink came in and nearly screwed it up by letting Roof change the defense around. Thankfully, he reversed course quickly and we had the dream season that was possible. The issue with Drink is his recruiting class was terrible.

Clark got a bad break with Covid in year one (especially for recruiting), but we played well enough all things considered. Year two was good minus two games vs UL. I think we finally saw the coaching turnover impact (recruiting misses from all three HC's) hit in 2022, and the SBC had improved a ton since 2014. Last year we looked like we finally got back on track. Now it's time to get the job done. We've had several recruiting classes with plenty of transfers to fill in the holes from recruiting misses. A large chunk of the team returns in 2025 so I'd think a SBC Championship should happen either this year or next.

Roof turned out to be right.