Clemson game thread and discussion

[Bigdaddyg1]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

Yep. I had not been to Clemson in a long time but it really looks a lot like App/Boone with the hilly terrain and the country area outside of town. The main drag looks a lot like King Street. Baseball stadium is sweet. Huge soccer stadium and they had a big matchup with Stanford Friday night- looked like a huge crowd. Ouch we could not afford soccer and dropped it. Football stadium is what, twice our size? Impressive production and the list of high draft picks is long. I had to google the student population and was surprised to read that yes it’s not much bigger than us. Speaking of big that number 8 for them is a monster. Jimmys and Joes.

[NewApp]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

Living alumni numbers aren't worlds apart either. I'm seeing that Clemson has around 180k and we have around 150k. There's a gap--understandable as our growth has been more recent--but not one that justifies that huge a disparity in fundraising.

I grew up in SC surrounded by Clemson fans, and IPTAY was ubiquitous--an expectation for alumni and parents, as well as WalMart fans. Clemson has the fortune of being one of two tribes in a state where everyone is required to pledge allegiance to either Clemson or USC at an early age--but there's still enormous room for our financial support to grow.

I would add that IPTAY was sold as a minimal indoctrination of $10. It was a different era, but it lent itself to let everyone know that they could join.

It didn’t hurt that SC was mediocre at best when Clemson started building. The Gamecocks had even recently lost to a plucky little school from the mountains of North Carolina.

Hones question. Who was coaching when we beat SC and UNC-CH?

[Rekdiver]

Of course, the assumption is that athletic donations only come from alums. Given the following that Clemson has throughout the state of SC and beyond, my guess is that alot of folks who don't have alumni ties to the school donate for more than non-alum fans of App.

Bingo… if NC only had 2 d1 schools and App was one of them sure would make a difference.

[Saint3333]

I'd say the amount of business owners and executives from respective schools has much more to do with the discrepancy in donations than number of professional athletes.

[AppSt94]

Of course, the assumption is that athletic donations only come from alums. Given the following that Clemson has throughout the state of SC and beyond, my guess is that alot of folks who don't have alumni ties to the school donate for more than non-alum fans of App.

Without question. And they a flagship school so I’m sure that there are Coastal alumni in IPTAY, just as there are App grads in the Rams and Wolfpack Clubs respectively.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Lends to a reasonable question- how many people to you guys encounter who are hardcore App fans but didn’t go to or graduate from App State? I’m 60 and can’t recall EVER meeting this person. I have some friends whose child graduated and they became probably casual fans but by no means a real hardcore fan. Other than the relatively small population in and around the High Country I’d wager that the number of fans in this group is tiny. Now ask the same question for Clemson. I would bet that thousands of people in the stands Saturday night never attended Clemson. That is true for NC State and UNC. Buddy of mine is UNC through and through and never took a class in Chapel Hill.

[Saint3333]

CCU was a branch of USC until 1993. The low-country has a larger percentage of Gamecock fans than Clemson as well.

Having a 50 year head start of loyalty does come into play for the SEC/ACC schools though no doubt.

[appstatealum]

Some people refuse to have an objective conversation on both sides of this debate even if it means they are intellectually dishonest when presented with facts.

My question is why someone would actively hate Clark and be rooting against him. It’s been 5 years. We haven’t completed our stated goal with him at the helm once. Our once great defense sucks and has sucked for years.

I love Clark as a person. I wish he was doing well here.

Nobody on this page actively hates Clark that I know. Are we concerned I am.

It’s the go to argument from his greatest defenders, that we want to see him fail. And it’s a ridiculous take that makes no sense.

I don't think I have spoken to one person who wants to move on from Clark who is happy about it. Everyone, except Everts maybe, wanted him to succeed. I thought last year he was done and was ready to move on after the season but then we had the turnaround. I was very happy about the turnaround and believed that we should go 10-2 this year if we got some help on the lines. I think the defenders and those who want Clark gone should probably table that conversation until things play out. What if we finish 10-2, win the SBC title game, and then win a bowl to go 12-2? I am not expecting quite that good but it is way too early to count anything out.

I will say that I expect to GATA against ECU. We are -2.5 favorites on ESPN.com right now. If we don't win by 20 or more I will be let down. I expect this game to be for us what our game was for Clemson.

As so often is the case, I agree with you. I've been leaning towards moving on for a few years now, but Clark showed me an ability to adapt last season and I was willing to run it back with him this year. I'm still of that mindset, despite the Clemson debacle I witnessed live. It's fair to say it was embarrassing, it was absolutely embarrassing. But I do believe it had more to do with where Clemson was that night than where we were. You could feel it in the stadium and hear it game week in Dabos voice. He knew it'd mean something to pound us into oblivion.

[yosef69]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

Living alumni numbers aren't worlds apart either. I'm seeing that Clemson has around 180k and we have around 150k. There's a gap--understandable as our growth has been more recent--but not one that justifies that huge a disparity in fundraising.

I grew up in SC surrounded by Clemson fans, and IPTAY was ubiquitous--an expectation for alumni and parents, as well as WalMart fans. Clemson has the fortune of being one of two tribes in a state where everyone is required to pledge allegiance to either Clemson or USC at an early age--but there's still enormous room for our financial support to grow.

I would add that IPTAY was sold as a minimal indoctrination of $10. It was a different era, but it lent itself to let everyone know that they could join.

It didn’t hurt that SC was mediocre at best when Clemson started building. The Gamecocks had even recently lost to a plucky little school from the mountains of North Carolina.

Hones question. Who was coaching when we beat SC and UNC-CH?

Is this a trick question? Because it wasn’t Clark.

[Rekdiver]

Personal perspective…I’m 73…maybe 10 more years on this Earth. I’ve seen us get beaten by Bluefield St. I saw us beat Michigan USC and UNC. I’ve seen the program continue to grow from one where the media couldn’t pronounce Appalachian to a point we are known nationally. The NIL fiasco has tempered near term expectations. I used to foam at the mouth over a bad loss. Today I take this bad loss with a grain of salt. Disappointed for sure but it doesn’t upset me to the point I’m looking for heads to roll. I’m a long-haul Mountaineer. We will survive this loss and we will see what happens next. If it’s a bad year, those things happen but we always get past them.

[spacemonkey]

Personal perspective…I’m 73…maybe 10 more years on this Earth. I’ve seen us get beaten by Bluefield St. I saw us beat Michigan USC and UNC. I’ve seen the program continue to grow from one where the media couldn’t pronounce Appalachian to a point we are known nationally. The NIL fiasco has tempered near term expectations. I used to foam at the mouth over a bad loss. Today I take this bad loss with a grain of salt. Disappointed for sure but it doesn’t upset me to the point I’m looking for heads to roll. I’m a long-haul Mountaineer. We will survive this loss and we will see what happens next. If it’s a bad year, those things happen but we always get past them.

Well said...AppState amazes me how far and how fast we have done it. I am just enjoying the ride. The fact that I can watch my team on TV makes me smile. (Baseball, basketball, football, softball, volleyball.) It is great to be able to be an App Fan.

[mike87]

Personal perspective…I’m 73…maybe 10 more years on this Earth. I’ve seen us get beaten by Bluefield St. I saw us beat Michigan USC and UNC. I’ve seen the program continue to grow from one where the media couldn’t pronounce Appalachian to a point we are known nationally. The NIL fiasco has tempered near term expectations. I used to foam at the mouth over a bad loss. Today I take this bad loss with a grain of salt. Disappointed for sure but it doesn’t upset me to the point I’m looking for heads to roll. I’m a long-haul Mountaineer. We will survive this loss and we will see what happens next. If it’s a bad year, those things happen but we always get past them.

I like the quote "some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you". Time to move on to the next day. #beatECU.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Bottom line is that some can’t accept that talent usually trumps coaching. Some have come to expect that whoever is the head man for App State Football should somehow lead every team to 10 wins a season. He should also make 3 star undersized guys faster than they are capable of running. I fully believe we practiced and prepared our team to compete better than they did Saturday. I’m sure that the coaches probably experienced the same “oh shit moment” that we did around that 10:00 mark. You know it’s bad when that clock guy comes on the field like 6 times in the first quarter for those TV timeouts.

[Black Saturday]

CCU was a branch of USC until 1993. The low-country has a larger percentage of Gamecock fans than Clemson as well.

Having a 50 year head start of loyalty does come into play for the SEC/ACC schools though no doubt.

It was a Community College before that, I had high school classmates go to school there.

[311neers]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

Living alumni numbers aren't worlds apart either. I'm seeing that Clemson has around 180k and we have around 150k. There's a gap--understandable as our growth has been more recent--but not one that justifies that huge a disparity in fundraising.

I grew up in SC surrounded by Clemson fans, and IPTAY was ubiquitous--an expectation for alumni and parents, as well as WalMart fans. Clemson has the fortune of being one of two tribes in a state where everyone is required to pledge allegiance to either Clemson or USC at an early age--but there's still enormous room for our financial support to grow.

I would add that IPTAY was sold as a minimal indoctrination of $10. It was a different era, but it lent itself to let everyone know that they could join.

At graduation they give the option to join IPTAY for as low as $1/year (well in 2016). I think I am still paying $10/year for IPTAY. So, it’s actually my fault we lost. App should do the same. 5k graduates/year could be auto-renewing for Yosef Club, it adds up.

[AppinVA]

Agree with everything above.

Here is a fun fact for you guys tha think that we belong. App and Clemson are roughly the same size in terms of student population. Give or take 1k. The Yosef Club raises roughly $6 million a year. IPTAY raises close to $135 million a year.

Living alumni numbers aren't worlds apart either. I'm seeing that Clemson has around 180k and we have around 150k. There's a gap--understandable as our growth has been more recent--but not one that justifies that huge a disparity in fundraising.

I grew up in SC surrounded by Clemson fans, and IPTAY was ubiquitous--an expectation for alumni and parents, as well as WalMart fans. Clemson has the fortune of being one of two tribes in a state where everyone is required to pledge allegiance to either Clemson or USC at an early age--but there's still enormous room for our financial support to grow.

I would add that IPTAY was sold as a minimal indoctrination of $10. It was a different era, but it lent itself to let everyone know that they could join.

It didn’t hurt that SC was mediocre at best when Clemson started building. The Gamecocks had even recently lost to a plucky little school from the mountains of North Carolina.

Hones question. Who was coaching when we beat SC and UNC-CH?

The answer to your question is Drink. The answer to the SC team I was talking about would be Jim Brakefield.

[Saint3333]

Coaches inherit talent their first couple of years, by year 5 the talent level is a result of their efforts.

That isn't an opinion.

What is an opinion (and my belief) is we have the talent to win every game left on our schedule, time to execute.

[hapapp]

Personal perspective…I’m 73…maybe 10 more years on this Earth. I’ve seen us get beaten by Bluefield St. I saw us beat Michigan USC and UNC. I’ve seen the program continue to grow from one where the media couldn’t pronounce Appalachian to a point we are known nationally. The NIL fiasco has tempered near term expectations. I used to foam at the mouth over a bad loss. Today I take this bad loss with a grain of salt. Disappointed for sure but it doesn’t upset me to the point I’m looking for heads to roll. I’m a long-haul Mountaineer. We will survive this loss and we will see what happens next. If it’s a bad year, those things happen but we always get past them.

Exactly. My freshmen year in 1969, I saw us lose to Lenoir-Rhyne and Presbyterian, and watched us beat Emory and Henry on a high school field in Glade Spring, VA. I could have never dreamed what our program has become from those days. It doesn't mean that the Clemson loss doesn't hurt but its just not worth it to lose sense of what really matters.

[DenverOfTheEast]

When Eli lost to Ga Southern there were only 18,ooo fans at the game.... No one attended when Satt was coaching, 14,000 a game type numbers.

WEAK SAUCE for an undefeated team at the time.

#TeamCLark popularity and beating #6 Texas A M has made the place explode with 36,ooo per game.

That is NOT TRUE and you know it. Had it been the case, there would have been talk about not making the threshold attendance numbers to remain on FBS. We haven’t been anywhere close to the 15,000 mark since your buddy Roachel Laney was in charge.

Understand this I do NOT make false post on stats and data without having proper information. This below is a copy and past from the wiki web site when you google 2019 App State Mountaineer Football Team.

Source was 2019 App State Mountaineer Football Schedule on Wikipedia

October 26 Noon at South Alabama No. 21
Ladd–Peebles StadiumMobile, AL
ESPNU W 30–3 17,969
October 31 8:00 p.m. Georgia Southern No. 20
Kidd Brewer StadiumBoone, NC (rivalry)
ESPNU L 21–24 18,796
November 9 7:00 p.m. at South Carolina*
Williams–Brice StadiumColumbia, SC
ESPN2 W 20–15 80,849

[AppinVA]

When Eli lost to Ga Southern there were only 18,ooo fans at the game.... No one attended when Satt was coaching, 14,000 a game type numbers.

WEAK SAUCE for an undefeated team at the time.

#TeamCLark popularity and beating #6 Texas A M has made the place explode with 36,ooo per game.

That is NOT TRUE and you know it. Had it been the case, there would have been talk about not making the threshold attendance numbers to remain on FBS. We haven’t been anywhere close to the 15,000 mark since your buddy Roachel Laney was in charge.

Understand this I do NOT make false post on stats and data without having proper information. This below is a copy and past from the wiki web site when you google 2019 App State Mountaineer Football Team.

Source was 2019 App State Mountaineer Football Schedule on Wikipedia

October 26 Noon at South Alabama No. 21
Ladd–Peebles StadiumMobile, AL
ESPNU W 30–3 17,969
October 31 8:00 p.m. Georgia Southern No. 20
Kidd Brewer StadiumBoone, NC (rivalry)
ESPNU L 21–24 18,796
November 9 7:00 p.m. at South Carolina*
Williams–Brice StadiumColumbia, SC
ESPN2 W 20–15 80,849

Way to pick out a frozen Thursday night. But that doesn’t explain away the 14,000 during the Satt era.