Worst I’ve ever seen

[Bootsy]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s the rest of the story:

Whether we like it or not, there is some truth in what Hannon said.

While we don’t play or coach, the funding we provide as donors dictates the talent App can afford to put on the field. We hear a lot in the offseason about the recruits we sign and everybody talks them up. Yet we don’t tend to hear as much about the ones we lost because we couldn’t meet their NIL demands. And that list will continue to grow.

I take no joy in saying that many of us saw this day coming. App’s biggest strength of being able to field a top-caliber team on a shoestring has become its biggest weakness.

I get that many here are YC members and donate to App’s collectives. So thanks to each of you! But we’re in danger of an experiencing a downward trajectory if more fans don’t start recognizing the new realities in college football and vote with their checkbooks.

And that doesn’t mean they have to support TIGMA/3333 if they don’t like the idea of NIL. They can donate to YC. But every little bit helps.

[311neers]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s the rest of the story:

Whether we like it or not, there is some truth in what Hannon said.

While we don’t play or coach, the funding we provide as donors dictates the talent App can afford to put on the field. We hear a lot in the offseason about the recruits we sign and everybody talks them up. Yet we don’t tend to hear as much about the ones we lost because we couldn’t meet their NIL demands. And that list will continue to grow.

I take no joy in saying that many of us saw this day coming. App’s biggest strength of being able to field a top-caliber team on a shoestring has become its biggest weakness.

I get that many here are YC members and donate to App’s collectives. So thanks to each of you! But we’re in danger of an experiencing a downward trajectory if more fans don’t start recognizing the new realities in college football and vote with their checkbooks.

And that doesn’t mean they have to support TIGMA/3333 if they don’t like the idea of NIL. They can donate to YC. But every little bit helps.

We’ve had 2 players in 4 years use the portal to jump to a better/bigger program…
I see this as a pro and a con. Pro-maybe we have NIL to keep some kids around and they want to be here.
Con- maybe our guys aren’t good enough to make the P5 jump.
I’d hate when our guys get poached or portal, but if they’re getting poached then we’re doing something right. And right now, no one is poaching our guys (maybe because we are paying them some NIL)

[appst1992]

Where is Appst94? I want to hear his rainbows and unicorns version of Thursday night.

[MountainMan2020]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s the rest of the story:

Whether we like it or not, there is some truth in what Hannon said.

While we don’t play or coach, the funding we provide as donors dictates the talent App can afford to put on the field. We hear a lot in the offseason about the recruits we sign and everybody talks them up. Yet we don’t tend to hear as much about the ones we lost because we couldn’t meet their NIL demands. And that list will continue to grow.

I take no joy in saying that many of us saw this day coming. App’s biggest strength of being able to field a top-caliber team on a shoestring has become its biggest weakness.

I get that many here are YC members and donate to App’s collectives. So thanks to each of you! But we’re in danger of an experiencing a downward trajectory if more fans don’t start recognizing the new realities in college football and vote with their checkbooks.

And that doesn’t mean they have to support TIGMA/3333 if they don’t like the idea of NIL. They can donate to YC. But every little bit helps.

I think the majority of people get it. But this was South Alabama. No excuse for that debacle, or whatever you want to call that.

[Saint3333]

South Alabama was a war chest of funds.

I understand trying to capitalize and raise money, but to use that as an excuse for getting embarrassed at home by someone we out fundraise 3:1.

[ericsaid]

Yeah. Hard to say some of us weren't concerned this was coming. This is a new age of CFB and many of us knew we were being left behind with our approach

How do we fix it?

I've said on here before- until we get some heavy money, our best bet *was using our brand to entice up and coming coaches to use as as a national launchpad. 1 or 2 yesr stints, recruit portal guys or under recruited studs (ie. Joey Aguilars of the world) with something to prove. Stay relevant, and maybe catch lightning in a bottle every few years and make a CFP appearance. Be what the "Atlantic league" is in minor league baseball. Guys will come and go play well and transfer or be sitting behind some stud at a P5 and come here to get playing time and get noticed.

College athletics is a joke when you aren’t one of the big boys. Recalibrate expectations and decide if going forward with personal commitment is worth it. I’m close to calling it a day on college sports. At least football and basketball. The rest is true college athletics and worth watching.

So South Alabama is one of the big boys?

Guys, recruiting isn’t the issue. The players aren’t the issue. Clemson is about to boat race NC State as bad as they did App.

South Alabama was able to schedule a borderline Division 2 team on a Thursday, to give them a full week to prepare as well as basically three full quarters off during that game for their starters. App played Saturday against a peer conference opponent in the evening and basically had three days to prepare against a team with a new coaching staff.

Then you add in the injuries on defense which forced the offense to press and make uncharacteristic mistakes and you get the result.

We’ve been here before. 2014.


This will get turned around or Clark will have to go. That simple.

[hapapp]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

He is involved with one of the two App NILs. He's making a pitch for that cause. I'm not sure any one in administration prompted him to make the comment.

[AppfaninCAALand]

College athletics is a joke when you aren’t one of the big boys. Recalibrate expectations and decide if going forward with personal commitment is worth it. I’m close to calling it a day on college sports. At least football and basketball. The rest is true college athletics and worth watching.

If I wanted to watch pro sports, I would watch the NFL, MLB, NHL, or NBA, but I don't. And if I wanted to watch minor league sports, I would go to watch my local AA baseball team, but I don't. Even if I did, I wouldn't tune in to radio or TV for their games. College football, and basketball to a lesser extent, are going the same way and I don't care to watch or follow any of it apart from App State's teams. I have found I get more enjoyment from following college baseball, softball, volleyball, and field hockey in recent years. Even without a team at my alma mater, I'm liking college ice hockey and lacrosse more too. Actually, I shouldn't even say that last bit about App not having a team. i have watched more App club ice hockey than NFL in the last 5 years, and I still frequently wear an old App State lacrosse shirt I got from playing on that club team 20 years ago.

They do have a little bit of the transfer/NIL madness, and the big dogs still dominate those sports thanks to money and name recognition. But most of those kids are out there for the love of the game and passion for their school and their team, and it is still possible for smaller schools to win it all, like Marshall in soccer or Quinnapiac in ice hockey.

[appstatealum]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s the rest of the story:

Whether we like it or not, there is some truth in what Hannon said.

While we don’t play or coach, the funding we provide as donors dictates the talent App can afford to put on the field. We hear a lot in the offseason about the recruits we sign and everybody talks them up. Yet we don’t tend to hear as much about the ones we lost because we couldn’t meet their NIL demands. And that list will continue to grow.

I take no joy in saying that many of us saw this day coming. App’s biggest strength of being able to field a top-caliber team on a shoestring has become its biggest weakness.

I get that many here are YC members and donate to App’s collectives. So thanks to each of you! But we’re in danger of an experiencing a downward trajectory if more fans don’t start recognizing the new realities in college football and vote with their checkbooks.

And that doesn’t mean they have to support TIGMA/3333 if they don’t like the idea of NIL. They can donate to YC. But every little bit helps.

Your essentially asking people to throw their money into a blackhole. The guys we think we are going to get that are "game changers" will just get paid somewhere else if they are good enough. The only way I'd even consider putting my hard earned money towards NIL is if the transferring issue was addressed, and even then, it's hard for me to justify after paying money to go to a game as well. I pay for a product through a ticket, if whomever is selling the ticket gives me a return on my investment, then that is where the value is found. Me throwing money at a couple of 20 year Olds is honestly sickening. In fact, the more I talk about the state of college football, the more nauseous I become. Such a god-awful Pandoras box was opened. I wish they taught real economics in school.

[Bootsy]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s the rest of the story:

Whether we like it or not, there is some truth in what Hannon said.

While we don’t play or coach, the funding we provide as donors dictates the talent App can afford to put on the field. We hear a lot in the offseason about the recruits we sign and everybody talks them up. Yet we don’t tend to hear as much about the ones we lost because we couldn’t meet their NIL demands. And that list will continue to grow.

I take no joy in saying that many of us saw this day coming. App’s biggest strength of being able to field a top-caliber team on a shoestring has become its biggest weakness.

I get that many here are YC members and donate to App’s collectives. So thanks to each of you! But we’re in danger of an experiencing a downward trajectory if more fans don’t start recognizing the new realities in college football and vote with their checkbooks.

And that doesn’t mean they have to support TIGMA/3333 if they don’t like the idea of NIL. They can donate to YC. But every little bit helps.

Your essentially asking people to throw their money into a blackhole. The guys we think we are going to get that are "game changers" will just get paid somewhere else if they are good enough. The only way I'd even consider putting my hard earned money towards NIL is if the transferring issue was addressed, and even then, it's hard for me to justify after paying money to go to a game as well. I pay for a product through a ticket, if whomever is selling the ticket gives me a return on my investment, then that is where the value is found. Me throwing money at a couple of 20 year Olds is honestly sickening. In fact, the more I talk about the state of college football, the more nauseous I become. Such a god-awful Pandoras box was opened. I wish they taught real economics in school.

First, you’re putting words in my mouth: I didn’t say everyone should donate to TIGMA/3333, they can also donate to YC.

Second, you are entitled to vote with your money, just like every other fan. But expecting App to continue achieving the same level of success without the resources over and above traditional revenue streams is no longer realistic. This new reality sucks, but we have to face that it isn’t going to change. And many of our peer programs have passed us in this department.

As a side note, I’m very disappointed with SANIL. We’ve been hearing these great stories about how they’re going to leverage the App State brand to generate additional revenue streams for TIGMA independent of fan donations. Yet very little has been done.

[BambooRdApp]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s the rest of the story:

Whether we like it or not, there is some truth in what Hannon said.

While we don’t play or coach, the funding we provide as donors dictates the talent App can afford to put on the field. We hear a lot in the offseason about the recruits we sign and everybody talks them up. Yet we don’t tend to hear as much about the ones we lost because we couldn’t meet their NIL demands. And that list will continue to grow.

I take no joy in saying that many of us saw this day coming. App’s biggest strength of being able to field a top-caliber team on a shoestring has become its biggest weakness.

I get that many here are YC members and donate to App’s collectives. So thanks to each of you! But we’re in danger of an experiencing a downward trajectory if more fans don’t start recognizing the new realities in college football and vote with their checkbooks.

And that doesn’t mean they have to support TIGMA/3333 if they don’t like the idea of NIL. They can donate to YC. But every little bit helps.

Your essentially asking people to throw their money into a blackhole. The guys we think we are going to get that are "game changers" will just get paid somewhere else if they are good enough. The only way I'd even consider putting my hard earned money towards NIL is if the transferring issue was addressed, and even then, it's hard for me to justify after paying money to go to a game as well. I pay for a product through a ticket, if whomever is selling the ticket gives me a return on my investment, then that is where the value is found. Me throwing money at a couple of 20 year Olds is honestly sickening. In fact, the more I talk about the state of college football, the more nauseous I become. Such a god-awful Pandoras box was opened. I wish they taught real economics in school.

First, you’re putting words in my mouth: I didn’t say everyone should donate to TIGMA/3333, they can also donate to YC.

Second, you are entitled to vote with your money, just like every other fan. But expecting App to continue achieving the same level of success without the resources over and above traditional revenue streams is no longer realistic. This new reality sucks, but we have to face that it isn’t going to change. And many of our peer programs have passed us in this department.

As a side note, I’m very disappointed with SANIL. We’ve been hearing these great stories about how they’re going to leverage the App State brand to generate additional revenue streams for TIGMA independent of fan donations. Yet very little has been done.

Bingo. 100% correct..

[AppStFan1]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s the rest of the story:

Whether we like it or not, there is some truth in what Hannon said.

While we don’t play or coach, the funding we provide as donors dictates the talent App can afford to put on the field. We hear a lot in the offseason about the recruits we sign and everybody talks them up. Yet we don’t tend to hear as much about the ones we lost because we couldn’t meet their NIL demands. And that list will continue to grow.

I take no joy in saying that many of us saw this day coming. App’s biggest strength of being able to field a top-caliber team on a shoestring has become its biggest weakness.

I get that many here are YC members and donate to App’s collectives. So thanks to each of you! But we’re in danger of an experiencing a downward trajectory if more fans don’t start recognizing the new realities in college football and vote with their checkbooks.

And that doesn’t mean they have to support TIGMA/3333 if they don’t like the idea of NIL. They can donate to YC. But every little bit helps.

Your essentially asking people to throw their money into a blackhole. The guys we think we are going to get that are "game changers" will just get paid somewhere else if they are good enough. The only way I'd even consider putting my hard earned money towards NIL is if the transferring issue was addressed, and even then, it's hard for me to justify after paying money to go to a game as well. I pay for a product through a ticket, if whomever is selling the ticket gives me a return on my investment, then that is where the value is found. Me throwing money at a couple of 20 year Olds is honestly sickening. In fact, the more I talk about the state of college football, the more nauseous I become. Such a god-awful Pandoras box was opened. I wish they taught real economics in school.

First, you’re putting words in my mouth: I didn’t say everyone should donate to TIGMA/3333, they can also donate to YC.

Second, you are entitled to vote with your money, just like every other fan. But expecting App to continue achieving the same level of success without the resources over and above traditional revenue streams is no longer realistic. This new reality sucks, but we have to face that it isn’t going to change. And many of our peer programs have passed us in this department.

As a side note, I’m very disappointed with SANIL. We’ve been hearing these great stories about how they’re going to leverage the App State brand to generate additional revenue streams for TIGMA independent of fan donations. Yet very little has been done.

JMU didn't get the memo. Their first year head coach with huge staff turnover is on the road at UNC and put up over 60 points so far.

I am also disappointed with SANIL but I hear we have a lot of people being contacted that are saying no. I don't blame them. Show me a championship team first or I want a contract that says I get my money back if they don't meet certain requirements but they won't agree to that.

[appstatealum]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s the rest of the story:

Whether we like it or not, there is some truth in what Hannon said.

While we don’t play or coach, the funding we provide as donors dictates the talent App can afford to put on the field. We hear a lot in the offseason about the recruits we sign and everybody talks them up. Yet we don’t tend to hear as much about the ones we lost because we couldn’t meet their NIL demands. And that list will continue to grow.

I take no joy in saying that many of us saw this day coming. App’s biggest strength of being able to field a top-caliber team on a shoestring has become its biggest weakness.

I get that many here are YC members and donate to App’s collectives. So thanks to each of you! But we’re in danger of an experiencing a downward trajectory if more fans don’t start recognizing the new realities in college football and vote with their checkbooks.

And that doesn’t mean they have to support TIGMA/3333 if they don’t like the idea of NIL. They can donate to YC. But every little bit helps.

Your essentially asking people to throw their money into a blackhole. The guys we think we are going to get that are "game changers" will just get paid somewhere else if they are good enough. The only way I'd even consider putting my hard earned money towards NIL is if the transferring issue was addressed, and even then, it's hard for me to justify after paying money to go to a game as well. I pay for a product through a ticket, if whomever is selling the ticket gives me a return on my investment, then that is where the value is found. Me throwing money at a couple of 20 year Olds is honestly sickening. In fact, the more I talk about the state of college football, the more nauseous I become. Such a god-awful Pandoras box was opened. I wish they taught real economics in school.

First, you’re putting words in my mouth: I didn’t say everyone should donate to TIGMA/3333, they can also donate to YC.

Second, you are entitled to vote with your money, just like every other fan. But expecting App to continue achieving the same level of success without the resources over and above traditional revenue streams is no longer realistic. This new reality sucks, but we have to face that it isn’t going to change. And many of our peer programs have passed us in this department.

As a side note, I’m very disappointed with SANIL. We’ve been hearing these great stories about how they’re going to leverage the App State brand to generate additional revenue streams for TIGMA independent of fan donations. Yet very little has been done.

Yes, sorry I wasn't really trying to come at you, was more having a dialogue about the topic you brought up and growing increasingly frustrated discussing it. Hahaha

[Seattleapp]

Where is Appst94? I want to hear his rainbows and unicorns version of Thursday night.

Are you not getting enough affirmation from the current pile on? Trying to dunk on a poster who is pretty straight up in his observations is a clown post kid

[Mjohn1988]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s the rest of the story:

Whether we like it or not, there is some truth in what Hannon said.

While we don’t play or coach, the funding we provide as donors dictates the talent App can afford to put on the field. We hear a lot in the offseason about the recruits we sign and everybody talks them up. Yet we don’t tend to hear as much about the ones we lost because we couldn’t meet their NIL demands. And that list will continue to grow.

I take no joy in saying that many of us saw this day coming. App’s biggest strength of being able to field a top-caliber team on a shoestring has become its biggest weakness.

I get that many here are YC members and donate to App’s collectives. So thanks to each of you! But we’re in danger of an experiencing a downward trajectory if more fans don’t start recognizing the new realities in college football and vote with their checkbooks.

And that doesn’t mean they have to support TIGMA/3333 if they don’t like the idea of NIL. They can donate to YC. But every little bit helps.

Your essentially asking people to throw their money into a blackhole. The guys we think we are going to get that are "game changers" will just get paid somewhere else if they are good enough. The only way I'd even consider putting my hard earned money towards NIL is if the transferring issue was addressed, and even then, it's hard for me to justify after paying money to go to a game as well. I pay for a product through a ticket, if whomever is selling the ticket gives me a return on my investment, then that is where the value is found. Me throwing money at a couple of 20 year Olds is honestly sickening. In fact, the more I talk about the state of college football, the more nauseous I become. Such a god-awful Pandoras box was opened. I wish they taught real economics in school.

First, you’re putting words in my mouth: I didn’t say everyone should donate to TIGMA/3333, they can also donate to YC.

Second, you are entitled to vote with your money, just like every other fan. But expecting App to continue achieving the same level of success without the resources over and above traditional revenue streams is no longer realistic. This new reality sucks, but we have to face that it isn’t going to change. And many of our peer programs have passed us in this department.

As a side note, I’m very disappointed with SANIL. We’ve been hearing these great stories about how they’re going to leverage the App State brand to generate additional revenue streams for TIGMA independent of fan donations. Yet very little has been done.

Sincere question, what evidence do we have that peer programs have passed us in NIL money to players? This is my whole beef with people saying this is all money. This was Southern Alabama that destroyed us, not Alabama. I no longer kid myself about being able to compete with the top tier P4 programs but this was an apples to apples game and it was beyond ugly.

[AppinVA]

Regardless of if he was prompted to make it, the timing for Hannon’s statement couldn’t have been worse. It may as well have gone down like this:

Alumni: “Most of the team phoned it in last night and didn’t seem ashamed to do it.”

Hannon: “The abject failure you witnessed at KBS last night may look like the team was unprepared and quit early in the game. But actually, that horrific loss was all your fault, because you didn’t donate more money. So get your checkbook out…and shut up.”

I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s the rest of the story:

Whether we like it or not, there is some truth in what Hannon said.

While we don’t play or coach, the funding we provide as donors dictates the talent App can afford to put on the field. We hear a lot in the offseason about the recruits we sign and everybody talks them up. Yet we don’t tend to hear as much about the ones we lost because we couldn’t meet their NIL demands. And that list will continue to grow.

I take no joy in saying that many of us saw this day coming. App’s biggest strength of being able to field a top-caliber team on a shoestring has become its biggest weakness.

I get that many here are YC members and donate to App’s collectives. So thanks to each of you! But we’re in danger of an experiencing a downward trajectory if more fans don’t start recognizing the new realities in college football and vote with their checkbooks.

And that doesn’t mean they have to support TIGMA/3333 if they don’t like the idea of NIL. They can donate to YC. But every little bit helps.

Your essentially asking people to throw their money into a blackhole. The guys we think we are going to get that are "game changers" will just get paid somewhere else if they are good enough. The only way I'd even consider putting my hard earned money towards NIL is if the transferring issue was addressed, and even then, it's hard for me to justify after paying money to go to a game as well. I pay for a product through a ticket, if whomever is selling the ticket gives me a return on my investment, then that is where the value is found. Me throwing money at a couple of 20 year Olds is honestly sickening. In fact, the more I talk about the state of college football, the more nauseous I become. Such a god-awful Pandoras box was opened. I wish they taught real economics in school.

First, you’re putting words in my mouth: I didn’t say everyone should donate to TIGMA/3333, they can also donate to YC.

Second, you are entitled to vote with your money, just like every other fan. But expecting App to continue achieving the same level of success without the resources over and above traditional revenue streams is no longer realistic. This new reality sucks, but we have to face that it isn’t going to change. And many of our peer programs have passed us in this department.

As a side note, I’m very disappointed with SANIL. We’ve been hearing these great stories about how they’re going to leverage the App State brand to generate additional revenue streams for TIGMA independent of fan donations. Yet very little has been done.

Sincere question, what evidence do we have that peer programs have passed us in NIL money to players? This is my whole beef with people saying this is all money. This was Southern Alabama that destroyed us, not Alabama. I no longer kid myself about being able to compete with the top tier P4 programs but this was an apples to apples game and it was beyond ugly.

Agreed. That would mean that we passed ECU. Which is not how that works.

[appst1992]

Where is Appst94? I want to hear his rainbows and unicorns version of Thursday night.

Are you not getting enough affirmation from the current pile on? Trying to dunk on a poster who is pretty straight up in his observations is a clown post kid

Gimme a break.

[Capt. Ed]

Yes, I'm also extremely disappointed with Thursday night's game. However, I get an even sicker feeling reading some of these posts. I'm embarrassed that so called App fans have given up so easily, can't handle the current college football landscape we must compete in, and want to quit and take their ball home.

Well, please do so. We don't need you. Leave the rest of us to stick it out through whatever happens the next few years. It may not be pretty, it may be tough, but it's the only way forward.

We have everything in place to compete at this level. Yes, we must make some changes, some will hurt. Most will be out of our control. Have the courage to face it.

Our monetary support will be needed. You can join Yosef Club. If you aren't a member, monthly payments are less than $10 a month. You can donate as little as $8.99 a month to TIGMA. Do both if you can, if not, Yosef Club deserves your support.

Lighten up your criticism. It doesn't help anything or anyone and puts you in a bad light.

[311neers]

Where is Appst94? I want to hear his rainbows and unicorns version of Thursday night.

Are you not getting enough affirmation from the current pile on? Trying to dunk on a poster who is pretty straight up in his observations is a clown post kid

It’s been a long time coming for a few.

[ASUTodd]

Yes, I'm also extremely disappointed with Thursday night's game. However, I get an even sicker feeling reading some of these posts. I'm embarrassed that so called App fans have given up so easily, can't handle the current college football landscape we must compete in, and want to quit and take their ball home.

Well, please do so. We don't need you. Leave the rest of us to stick it out through whatever happens the next few years. It may not be pretty, it may be tough, but it's the only way forward.

We have everything in place to compete at this level. Yes, we must make some changes, some will hurt. Most will be out of our control. Have the courage to face it.

Our monetary support will be needed. You can join Yosef Club. If you aren't a member, monthly payments are less than $10 a month. You can donate as little as $8.99 a month to TIGMA. Do both if you can, if not, Yosef Club deserves your support.

Lighten up your criticism. It doesn't help anything or anyone and puts you in a bad light.

Hold on... Deserves? I paid App State to LET me go to school there and earn a degree. I paid for the meal plan. I pay to go to games. I pay for concessions when at the games. I buy my app gear from the book store and places that support the school. After doing all of that you are saying that Appalachian State University Athletics DESERVES to have more of my hard earned money? I get it folks. I really do.... But I'm not pouring money into an athletics program that couldn't keep men's soccer around. Trying this whole, "Im a better fan" thing is just asinine at best. We are all fans. That's like people at church trying to say they are better Christians because they give more tithes than someone else. Criticism is what keeps people honest and working to be better. Some folks will give....some won't.