Worst I’ve ever seen

[AppSt94]

With all due respect what are you saying that can’t do? He hasn’t had a losing season. In fact he has had a rather envious level of success for most of the programs. If you are referring to him not winning a conference championship as the hump for you to get on board with supporting him then there really is no point for you to bother showing up each week if all you care about is going 1-0 in week 13 and if we aren’t in that game or winning it then the season was a failure.

To be fair, Boise State fired Andy Avalos after going 7-5 in his first year as HC, 10-4 in his second year (including 8-0 in the MWC, but lost the MWC championship game) and starting last year at 5-5. That is a peer institution who takes football and their tradition seriously. Avalos played at Boise State. They made the change and it immediately paid dividends.

At the time they fired Avalos, I didn't quite understand it. After all, he did not have a losing season up to that point, had just been to their conference championship the year prior, and many of their losses were close, one-score games.

After firing Avalos, Boise State went on to win the MWC. Now, they're ranked in the Top 25, and they are in the driver's seat for the G5 playoff bid.

Not to debate but a serious question. Were there some internal issues that could have stemmed the move? I don’t know but when you start buying coaches out that are somewhat successful, there could be something that we aren’t privy too. I’m not saying that you are wrong, I just know that those types of events are somewhat publicized to minimize embarrassment.

An example is when there is a decommit from a kid, it often times isn’t a flip, rather the kid is told to look elsewhere because we no longer think that he/she is a good fit. Saves them the embarrassment and doesn’t create the red flags for other coaches and allows them to have other opportunities.

On the flip side, it doesn’t seem to hurt Bobby Petrino. I pulled this off of the Boise message board. Sounds like there is more to the story.

[Stonewall]

Revisionist history right here.

I’ve been told go “get your shine box” and “no one likes you” upon disagreeing while providing an objective point of view.

I do agree no one should call others out when they choose not to post for a couple of days. I was fine with that.

I don’t know you but I find your posts thoughtful and concise. So I actually read them. And we agree more often than not.

[AppSt94]

Revisionist history right here.

I’ve been told go “get your shine box” and “no one likes you” upon disagreeing while providing an objective point of view.

I do agree no one should call others out when they choose not to post for a couple of days. I was fine with that.

I didn’t say “no one likes you.” I said that I hadn’t met anyone that likes you.

[Saint3333]

Classy move as always.

[yosef69]

Classy move as always.

He gets on this board and acts high and mighty for giving the coaching staff an infinite leash.

But then resorts to childish personal attacks against fellow fans.

Nothing says high road like personal insults.

[JTApps1]

At the conclusion of Thursday's game, I had similar thoughts to many on here. But, since Clark became head coach, App has won 36 games. Among other Group of 5 teams, Boise has won 32, Memphis 34, Tulane 33, and Fresno State 35. Only Liberty (43) and UTSA (41) have more wins. The idea that you would fire him four games into the season is lost on me. None of us know where things go from here record-wise. The schedule over the next three games is going to be difficult and dropping all three of those would certainly raise the prospect at season's end that things change. As an alumnus and fan, I plan to be there the rest of the way supporting the team and the coaches. At season's end, would seem the better time to have this discussion.

Good perspective, Hap. People need to take a breath and see how the rest of the season goes. Many who want Clark fired now were saying the same thing at this point last year. We ended up beating a top 25 team, made the CCG and won a bowl game. Who knows what this year will look like come December. I'm starting to think some of those people wished he had failed last year.

[Boonedoc]

We only made the CCG because JMU was ineligible

[bcoach]

At the conclusion of Thursday's game, I had similar thoughts to many on here. But, since Clark became head coach, App has won 36 games. Among other Group of 5 teams, Boise has won 32, Memphis 34, Tulane 33, and Fresno State 35. Only Liberty (43) and UTSA (41) have more wins. The idea that you would fire him four games into the season is lost on me. None of us know where things go from here record-wise. The schedule over the next three games is going to be difficult and dropping all three of those would certainly raise the prospect at season's end that things change. As an alumnus and fan, I plan to be there the rest of the way supporting the team and the coaches. At season's end, would seem the better time to have this discussion.

Good perspective, Hap. People need to take a breath and see how the rest of the season goes. Many who want Clark fired now were saying the same thing at this point last year. We ended up beating a top 25 team, made the CCG and won a bowl game. Who knows what this year will look like come December. I'm starting to think some of those people wished he had failed last year.

There absolutly are those who wanted him to fail. Heck, look at the next post.

[bcoach]

At the conclusion of Thursday's game, I had similar thoughts to many on here. But, since Clark became head coach, App has won 36 games. Among other Group of 5 teams, Boise has won 32, Memphis 34, Tulane 33, and Fresno State 35. Only Liberty (43) and UTSA (41) have more wins. The idea that you would fire him four games into the season is lost on me. None of us know where things go from here record-wise. The schedule over the next three games is going to be difficult and dropping all three of those would certainly raise the prospect at season's end that things change. As an alumnus and fan, I plan to be there the rest of the way supporting the team and the coaches. At season's end, would seem the better time to have this discussion.

Good perspective, Hap. People need to take a breath and see how the rest of the season goes. Many who want Clark fired now were saying the same thing at this point last year. We ended up beating a top 25 team, made the CCG and won a bowl game. Who knows what this year will look like come December. I'm starting to think some of those people wished he had failed last year.

There absolutly are those who wanted him to fail. Heck, look at the next post.

Haha Guess that would be the last post(:

[mike87]

We only made the CCG because JMU was ineligible

But we did beat JMU, at their place, on College Gameday, and it was good.

[yosef69]

At the conclusion of Thursday's game, I had similar thoughts to many on here. But, since Clark became head coach, App has won 36 games. Among other Group of 5 teams, Boise has won 32, Memphis 34, Tulane 33, and Fresno State 35. Only Liberty (43) and UTSA (41) have more wins. The idea that you would fire him four games into the season is lost on me. None of us know where things go from here record-wise. The schedule over the next three games is going to be difficult and dropping all three of those would certainly raise the prospect at season's end that things change. As an alumnus and fan, I plan to be there the rest of the way supporting the team and the coaches. At season's end, would seem the better time to have this discussion.

Good perspective, Hap. People need to take a breath and see how the rest of the season goes. Many who want Clark fired now were saying the same thing at this point last year. We ended up beating a top 25 team, made the CCG and won a bowl game. Who knows what this year will look like come December. I'm starting to think some of those people wished he had failed last year.

There absolutly are those who wanted him to fail. Heck, look at the next post.

Why would anybody on here want the app state alum head coach fail while coaching app state? Please explain.

[704App]

Classy move as always.

He gets on this board and acts high and mighty for giving the coaching staff an infinite leash.

But then resorts to childish personal attacks against fellow fans.

Nothing says high road like personal insults.

Personally, from how I see it, it's the other way around.

94 offers some different perspectives that just aren't negative. So the negative nancies attack and attack because they don't agree with being positive. They call everything an excuse and you must be negative or they will attack and gaslight you.

And then complain about the positive paulie's being the problem when they are the ones causing the toxicity.

There's a reason this place is notorious for said toxicity. And it's not the mods making it that way. It's just the board is filled with glass half empty crowd. So when someone has a different belief, the negative Nancy mob mentality takes over with attacks -- purposefully or not -- that's how it comes off to us older folks that weren't raised in this era.

It's the Internet culture we live in unfortunately. So, best bet is to just ignore the negative nancies and don't take anything from a message board with nothing but anonymous users to heart.

It's possible to have differing views and still be respectful. Many on here see things as disrespectful when that wasn't the intent. It's just how the interwebs and talking through text works.

And to be fair -- I've never met anybody that likes 94, Saint, or 69. Does that mean I'm also being classy? I've also never met anybody that dislikes those 3 either...

[Saint3333]

That’s news to me.

[bcoach]

At the conclusion of Thursday's game, I had similar thoughts to many on here. But, since Clark became head coach, App has won 36 games. Among other Group of 5 teams, Boise has won 32, Memphis 34, Tulane 33, and Fresno State 35. Only Liberty (43) and UTSA (41) have more wins. The idea that you would fire him four games into the season is lost on me. None of us know where things go from here record-wise. The schedule over the next three games is going to be difficult and dropping all three of those would certainly raise the prospect at season's end that things change. As an alumnus and fan, I plan to be there the rest of the way supporting the team and the coaches. At season's end, would seem the better time to have this discussion.

Good perspective, Hap. People need to take a breath and see how the rest of the season goes. Many who want Clark fired now were saying the same thing at this point last year. We ended up beating a top 25 team, made the CCG and won a bowl game. Who knows what this year will look like come December. I'm starting to think some of those people wished he had failed last year.

There absolutly are those who wanted him to fail. Heck, look at the next post.

Why would anybody on here want the app state alum head coach fail while coaching app state? Please explain.

I have no explanation. It absolutely mystifies me.

[yosef69]

At the conclusion of Thursday's game, I had similar thoughts to many on here. But, since Clark became head coach, App has won 36 games. Among other Group of 5 teams, Boise has won 32, Memphis 34, Tulane 33, and Fresno State 35. Only Liberty (43) and UTSA (41) have more wins. The idea that you would fire him four games into the season is lost on me. None of us know where things go from here record-wise. The schedule over the next three games is going to be difficult and dropping all three of those would certainly raise the prospect at season's end that things change. As an alumnus and fan, I plan to be there the rest of the way supporting the team and the coaches. At season's end, would seem the better time to have this discussion.

Good perspective, Hap. People need to take a breath and see how the rest of the season goes. Many who want Clark fired now were saying the same thing at this point last year. We ended up beating a top 25 team, made the CCG and won a bowl game. Who knows what this year will look like come December. I'm starting to think some of those people wished he had failed last year.

There absolutly are those who wanted him to fail. Heck, look at the next post.

Why would anybody on here want the app state alum head coach fail while coaching app state? Please explain.

I have no explanation. It absolutely mystifies me.

Probably because it’s an asinine thing to think. Hope this helps

[AppinVA]

Classy move as always.

He gets on this board and acts high and mighty for giving the coaching staff an infinite leash.

But then resorts to childish personal attacks against fellow fans.

Nothing says high road like personal insults.

Personally, from how I see it, it's the other way around.

94 offers some different perspectives that just aren't negative. So the negative nancies attack and attack because they don't agree with being positive. They call everything an excuse and you must be negative or they will attack and gaslight you.

And then complain about the positive paulie's being the problem when they are the ones causing the toxicity.

There's a reason this place is notorious for said toxicity. And it's not the mods making it that way. It's just the board is filled with glass half empty crowd. So when someone has a different belief, the negative Nancy mob mentality takes over with attacks -- purposefully or not -- that's how it comes off to us older folks that weren't raised in this era.

It's the Internet culture we live in unfortunately. So, best bet is to just ignore the negative nancies and don't take anything from a message board with nothing but anonymous users to heart.

It's possible to have differing views and still be respectful. Many on here see things as disrespectful when that wasn't the intent. It's just how the interwebs and talking through text works.

And to be fair -- I've never met anybody that likes 94, Saint, or 69. Does that mean I'm also being classy? I've also never met anybody that dislikes those 3 either...

[AppSt94]

As I’ve seen that for many of you that are CCG or bust, I decided to look into the numbers between the quality of competition that those championships were won versus now.

2014-2018 2019 2020-2023
W/L. 48-16 13-1 34-18
Win %. 75%. 93% 65%
Conf Foes W/L 261-343 53-60 279-268
W/L % 43%. 47% 51%
# of .500+ teams 3 4 7

The 2018 was the 1st year of divisions and a true CCG. An 11-2 App beat a 7-7 Louisiana
2019 a 13-1 App beat an 11-3 Louisiana.

The point to all of this is that the league has gotten significantly better over the last few years. It doesn’t take away from those CC won prior to 2020 but it does put in perspective how much easier that path was compared to now.

[AppSt94]

Classy move as always.

He gets on this board and acts high and mighty for giving the coaching staff an infinite leash.

But then resorts to childish personal attacks against fellow fans.

Nothing says high road like personal insults.

I don’t care if you like me or not.

[RaleighApp27609]

As I’ve seen that for many of you that are CCG or bust, I decided to look into the numbers between the quality of competition that those championships were won versus now.

2014-2018 2019 2020-2023
W/L. 48-16 13-1 34-18
Win %. 75%. 93% 65%
Conf Foes W/L 261-343 53-60 279-268
W/L % 43%. 47% 51%
# of .500+ teams 3 4 7

The 2018 was the 1st year of divisions and a true CCG. An 11-2 App beat a 7-7 Louisiana
2019 a 13-1 App beat an 11-3 Louisiana.

The point to all of this is that the league has gotten significantly better over the last few years. It doesn’t take away from those CC won prior to 2020 but it does put in perspective how much easier that path was compared to now.

I'll ask on here again. How bad would things have to get before you would agree there needs to be a change. How many years without a conference championship would be acceptable?

[ASUFan4863]

As I’ve seen that for many of you that are CCG or bust, I decided to look into the numbers between the quality of competition that those championships were won versus now.

2014-2018 2019 2020-2023
W/L. 48-16 13-1 34-18
Win %. 75%. 93% 65%
Conf Foes W/L 261-343 53-60 279-268
W/L % 43%. 47% 51%
# of .500+ teams 3 4 7

The 2018 was the 1st year of divisions and a true CCG. An 11-2 App beat a 7-7 Louisiana
2019 a 13-1 App beat an 11-3 Louisiana.

The point to all of this is that the league has gotten significantly better over the last few years. It doesn’t take away from those CC won prior to 2020 but it does put in perspective how much easier that path was compared to now.

No doubt the league has gotten significantly better since 2019 but have we? Have we stayed on the same step & they have caught up or have we fell back to meet them in the middle? I believe the vast majority of objective fans would say our steps back have outgrown any steps forward under Clark.