Marshall..?

[appstatealum]

Some mistakes, but Joey is giving it all within his abilities and what he has to work with. I think he'd throw it to himself if he could, just to get things going. Its just sad to watch.

I agree Joey is giving it his all, but even he is regressing. The stst line looks pretty decent, but he is missing on the deep ball more (think first homerun shot they took on the first drive was well under thrown even though there was two steps of separations), he is holding the ball longer with a line in front of him that is not very strong, and there is always the bad decision INT he is good for a time or two in the game. I love the kid and the grit he plays with, although I think it is going to get him hurt always lowering his shoulder on runs, however I think under a different staff he would be excelling even more. Maybe NC State took the wrong Sunbelt QB.

I don't think he has regressed. We are just seeing a QB press to make plays and that is the result.

[AppinVA]

Some mistakes, but Joey is giving it all within his abilities and what he has to work with. I think he'd throw it to himself if he could, just to get things going. Its just sad to watch.

I agree Joey is giving it his all, but even he is regressing. The stst line looks pretty decent, but he is missing on the deep ball more (think first homerun shot they took on the first drive was well under thrown even though there was two steps of separations), he is holding the ball longer with a line in front of him that is not very strong, and there is always the bad decision INT he is good for a time or two in the game. I love the kid and the grit he plays with, although I think it is going to get him hurt always lowering his shoulder on runs, however I think under a different staff he would be excelling even more. Maybe NC State took the wrong Sunbelt QB.

I don't think he has regressed. We are just seeing a QB press to make plays and that is the result.

It’s hard to throw accurate passes when you can’t set your feet. In truth, he’s covering up for a lot of deficits.

[RaleighApp27609]

I skipped over most of the thread. I did see someone say that they should be selling those "Mountain Strong" shirts and donating the proceeds. THEY ARE. Go to the store on AppStateSports.com. They are "pre-selling" them and 100% of proceeds go to the hurricane fund. I ordered one yesterday. It's a joint effort with Alumni Hall so their site probably have them also as well as the bookstore.

All I will say is the team continued to fight. Two blown plays (busted coverage for the long TD and the interception for a TD) were the difference in the game. Frustrating but there's hope things could come together.

Looks like one of Clark's apologists is posting earlier that anticipated. The mental gymnastics that you exhibit with explaining away a loss is unreal.

I don't see any apologies or excuses anywhere in there, so stop being an ass. You want to be a quitter in mid season, you be you. Pathetic. I'm sure you think your whining is "helping" in some delusional way. Pathetic.

Uh-Oh! Did I hit a nerve? Frankly I am sick of the same four or five folks like you that will bend over backwards to explain away the current state of our football program. Every week it is some lame excuse. No, this is not Drink's fault. No, the poor showing against S. Alabama was not due purely to a short week of preparation. No, our performance yesterday was not due to Hurricane Helene. This downward trajectory has been going on since at least 2022. Not sure if you are personal friends with Clark or what but the majority of people on this board don't like the current trajectory of the program. You do you though. Get your pom poms out and cheer when our program is down 21 points to nearly ever conference opponent.

[BambooRdApp]

At the game, yesterday, So. Alabama and Clemson...Joey is seeing more pressure since ETSU game. Two of the 3 very long throws that I remember from yesterday, he threw off back foot due to pressure. One of the throws, he probably waited a second or so too late to throw...cannot remember if 15 or 8..it was the throw down the app St sideline...but not right next to sideline. Our WR had some spacing..but DB caught by time the throw made to receiver and the ball was slightly under thrown (not very much...it was close).

The intermediate/long throw to back of end zone that was almost picked in first half was just a bad decision (he's human). The one interception was not his fault. WR fell down. The throw to Kanye was a good decision. Unfortunate bobble...Kanye had some room for a few yards.

My continuing frustration on play calling as a fan in the stands OC, is the number of screens we try to throw in the red zone or near the red zone. I just do not get the logic as short field so D is not far off line of scrimmage..tried it yesterday on 4th down or something that looked like a middle screen to 28 I believe and really did not get much, if any yards.
We really missed Hughes yesterday. Gave up 15 or so yards on kick off returns..

[RaleighApp27609]

I don’t see a single post that would support being an “apologist” (whatever that means). There is a segment who want coaches fired constantly and there is a segment with realistic and cooler heads. I doubt that any fans are either happy or satisfied with results. I doubt that any coaches are either happy or satisfied. Folks can be upset and disappointed with game results without being over the top vocal about firing people. The lunatic fringe who wants the entire staff fired is just that- lunatics.

Here you go:

Apologist: 1.) A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.
2.) someone who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something that is typically controversial, unpopular, or subject to criticism

Based the definitions above, there are four or five on here that would definitely fall into the apologist category for Clark. Those who are calling for changes are justified and have plenty of reasons to support their argument for changes; and no, they are not "lunatics". Personally, I hopped off the Clark wagon after the Georgia Southern game in 2022.

[Yosef84]

I skipped over most of the thread. I did see someone say that they should be selling those "Mountain Strong" shirts and donating the proceeds. THEY ARE. Go to the store on AppStateSports.com. They are "pre-selling" them and 100% of proceeds go to the hurricane fund. I ordered one yesterday. It's a joint effort with Alumni Hall so their site probably have them also as well as the bookstore.

All I will say is the team continued to fight. Two blown plays (busted coverage for the long TD and the interception for a TD) were the difference in the game. Frustrating but there's hope things could come together.

Looks like one of Clark's apologists is posting earlier that anticipated. The mental gymnastics that you exhibit with explaining away a loss is unreal.

I don't see any apologies or excuses anywhere in there, so stop being an ass. You want to be a quitter in mid season, you be you. Pathetic. I'm sure you think your whining is "helping" in some delusional way. Pathetic.

Uh-Oh! Did I hit a nerve? Frankly I am sick of the same four or five folks like you that will bend over backwards to explain away the current state of our football program. Every week it is some lame excuse. No, this is not Drink's fault. No, the poor showing against S. Alabama was not due purely to a short week of preparation. No, our performance yesterday was not due to Hurricane Helene. This downward trajectory has been going on since at least 2022. Not sure if you are personal friends with Clark or what but the majority of people on this board don't like the current trajectory of the program. You do you though. Get your pom poms out and cheer when our program is down 21 points to nearly ever conference opponent.

Poor whiney boy. Nobody cares what you're sick of. You don't have enough power to influence my day or mood one way or another, but pathetic whiners like you who try to build up their opinion by attacking people they don't know are just kind of nauseating. You' feel entitled and lash out at anyone. I don't think you have a clue where I'm coming from. You just know I'm not singing the same tune you are because I'm not a quitter. Go pull for UNC or NCSU or whomever you love in the triangle.

[RaleighApp27609]

I skipped over most of the thread. I did see someone say that they should be selling those "Mountain Strong" shirts and donating the proceeds. THEY ARE. Go to the store on AppStateSports.com. They are "pre-selling" them and 100% of proceeds go to the hurricane fund. I ordered one yesterday. It's a joint effort with Alumni Hall so their site probably have them also as well as the bookstore.

All I will say is the team continued to fight. Two blown plays (busted coverage for the long TD and the interception for a TD) were the difference in the game. Frustrating but there's hope things could come together.

Looks like one of Clark's apologists is posting earlier that anticipated. The mental gymnastics that you exhibit with explaining away a loss is unreal.

I don't see any apologies or excuses anywhere in there, so stop being an ass. You want to be a quitter in mid season, you be you. Pathetic. I'm sure you think your whining is "helping" in some delusional way. Pathetic.

Uh-Oh! Did I hit a nerve? Frankly I am sick of the same four or five folks like you that will bend over backwards to explain away the current state of our football program. Every week it is some lame excuse. No, this is not Drink's fault. No, the poor showing against S. Alabama was not due purely to a short week of preparation. No, our performance yesterday was not due to Hurricane Helene. This downward trajectory has been going on since at least 2022. Not sure if you are personal friends with Clark or what but the majority of people on this board don't like the current trajectory of the program. You do you though. Get your pom poms out and cheer when our program is down 21 points to nearly ever conference opponent.

Poor whiney boy. Nobody cares what you're sick of. You don't have enough power to influence my day or mood one way or another, but pathetic whiners like you who try to build up their opinion by attacking people they don't know are just kind of nauseating. You' feel entitled and lash out at anyone. I don't think you have a clue where I'm coming from. You just know I'm not singing the same tune you are because I'm not a quitter. Go pull for UNC or NCSU or whomever you love in the triangle.

Awww! It sounds like I have had plenty of sway over your mood! And it is definitely obvious that "Yosef84" is no quitter! Would you like a cookie?

[appgrad95&97]

Was there a post game presser last night?

[Yosef84]

Looks like one of Clark's apologists is posting earlier that anticipated. The mental gymnastics that you exhibit with explaining away a loss is unreal.

I don't see any apologies or excuses anywhere in there, so stop being an ass. You want to be a quitter in mid season, you be you. Pathetic. I'm sure you think your whining is "helping" in some delusional way. Pathetic.

Uh-Oh! Did I hit a nerve? Frankly I am sick of the same four or five folks like you that will bend over backwards to explain away the current state of our football program. Every week it is some lame excuse. No, this is not Drink's fault. No, the poor showing against S. Alabama was not due purely to a short week of preparation. No, our performance yesterday was not due to Hurricane Helene. This downward trajectory has been going on since at least 2022. Not sure if you are personal friends with Clark or what but the majority of people on this board don't like the current trajectory of the program. You do you though. Get your pom poms out and cheer when our program is down 21 points to nearly ever conference opponent.

I'm glad you think you're clever. Have a great day.

Poor whiney boy. Nobody cares what you're sick of. You don't have enough power to influence my day or mood one way or another, but pathetic whiners like you who try to build up their opinion by attacking people they don't know are just kind of nauseating. You' feel entitled and lash out at anyone. I don't think you have a clue where I'm coming from. You just know I'm not singing the same tune you are because I'm not a quitter. Go pull for UNC or NCSU or whomever you love in the triangle.

Awww! It sounds like I have had plenty of sway over your mood! And it is definitely obvious that "Yosef84" is no quitter! Would you like a cookie?

[Bootsy]

At the game, yesterday, So. Alabama and Clemson...Joey is seeing more pressure since ETSU game. Two of the 3 very long throws that I remember from yesterday, he threw off back foot due to pressure. One of the throws, he probably waited a second or so too late to throw...cannot remember if 15 or 8..it was the throw down the app St sideline...but not right next to sideline. Our WR had some spacing..but DB caught by time the throw made to receiver and the ball was slightly under thrown (not very much...it was close).

The intermediate/long throw to back of end zone that was almost picked in first half was just a bad decision (he's human). The one interception was not his fault. WR fell down. The throw to Kanye was a good decision. Unfortunate bobble...Kanye had some room for a few yards.

My continuing frustration on play calling as a fan in the stands OC, is the number of screens we try to throw in the red zone or near the red zone. I just do not get the logic as short field so D is not far off line of scrimmage..tried it yesterday on 4th down or something that looked like a middle screen to 28 I believe and really did not get much, if any yards.
We really missed Hughes yesterday. Gave up 15 or so yards on kick off returns..

Screens can be extremely effective…if non-targeted personnel in the area stick with their blocking assignments. This is an area where many of our WRs have struggled this season.

[NewApp]

What good is all this bitching doing? Does Yosef Cabin determine who coaches the Mountaineers?

[BambooRdApp]

At the game, yesterday, So. Alabama and Clemson...Joey is seeing more pressure since ETSU game. Two of the 3 very long throws that I remember from yesterday, he threw off back foot due to pressure. One of the throws, he probably waited a second or so too late to throw...cannot remember if 15 or 8..it was the throw down the app St sideline...but not right next to sideline. Our WR had some spacing..but DB caught by time the throw made to receiver and the ball was slightly under thrown (not very much...it was close).

The intermediate/long throw to back of end zone that was almost picked in first half was just a bad decision (he's human). The one interception was not his fault. WR fell down. The throw to Kanye was a good decision. Unfortunate bobble...Kanye had some room for a few yards.

My continuing frustration on play calling as a fan in the stands OC, is the number of screens we try to throw in the red zone or near the red zone. I just do not get the logic as short field so D is not far off line of scrimmage..tried it yesterday on 4th down or something that looked like a middle screen to 28 I believe and really did not get much, if any yards.
We really missed Hughes yesterday. Gave up 15 or so yards on kick off returns..

Screens can be extremely effective…if non-targeted personnel in the area stick with their blocking assignments. This is an area where many of our WRs have struggled this season.

Not saying cannot be...just do not like the middle of the field screens to RBs on a short field. It has worked like zero times in past two years. I love screens overall

[MrCraig]

I don’t see a single post that would support being an “apologist” (whatever that means). There is a segment who want coaches fired constantly and there is a segment with realistic and cooler heads. I doubt that any fans are either happy or satisfied with results. I doubt that any coaches are either happy or satisfied. Folks can be upset and disappointed with game results without being over the top vocal about firing people. The lunatic fringe who wants the entire staff fired is just that- lunatics.

I get what you're trying to say, but you are writing off critics the same way some of the write off those of you who always seem to find an excuse for why App keeps losing.
You can go back and look through my post history, I've defended Clark and his staff a good bit. However, there are no more excuses now. This is 100% Clark's team, and it isn't a very good one. Each year of Clark's tenure the results have been slightly worse than the year before. That's the opposite of what should be happening. Time to move on. Unless the team miraculously wins out, Clark and Co. should be gone at the end of the season. There are plenty of FCS head coaches and FBS offensive coordinators who would love a chance to head coach App State.

[AppStFan1]

I don’t see a single post that would support being an “apologist” (whatever that means). There is a segment who want coaches fired constantly and there is a segment with realistic and cooler heads. I doubt that any fans are either happy or satisfied with results. I doubt that any coaches are either happy or satisfied. Folks can be upset and disappointed with game results without being over the top vocal about firing people. The lunatic fringe who wants the entire staff fired is just that- lunatics.

I get what you're trying to say, but you are writing off critics the same way some of the write off those of you who always seem to find an excuse for why App keeps losing.
You can go back and look through my post history, I've defended Clark and his staff a good bit. However, there are no more excuses now. This is 100% Clark's team, and it isn't a very good one. Each year of Clark's tenure the results have been slightly worse than the year before. That's the opposite of what should be happening. Time to move on. Unless the team miraculously wins out, Clark and Co. should be gone at the end of the season. There are plenty of FCS head coaches and FBS offensive coordinators who would love a chance to head coach App State.

Agreed here. I think you give a staff 3 years to show improvements. After 5 years that is plenty of time. I love Shawn as a person and appreciate his effort but if we don't win out the remainder of this year then I think we should move on. There are many quality coaches who would take this job.

[ah59396]

Was there a post game presser last night?

Yes. Although you can simply just rewatch the South Alabama or Clemson presser because you’ll hear all the same stuff.

“Eliminate big plays”, “too many mistakes”, “watch the tape, get back to work”.

[appgrad95&97]

Was there a post game presser last night?

Yes. Although you can simply just rewatch the South Alabama or Clemson presser because you’ll hear all the same stuff.

“Eliminate big plays”, “too many mistakes”, “watch the tape, get back to work”.

Thank you for posting it.

[Yosef84]

I don’t see a single post that would support being an “apologist” (whatever that means). There is a segment who want coaches fired constantly and there is a segment with realistic and cooler heads. I doubt that any fans are either happy or satisfied with results. I doubt that any coaches are either happy or satisfied. Folks can be upset and disappointed with game results without being over the top vocal about firing people. The lunatic fringe who wants the entire staff fired is just that- lunatics.

I get what you're trying to say, but you are writing off critics the same way some of the write off those of you who always seem to find an excuse for why App keeps losing.
You can go back and look through my post history, I've defended Clark and his staff a good bit. However, there are no more excuses now. This is 100% Clark's team, and it isn't a very good one. Each year of Clark's tenure the results have been slightly worse than the year before. That's the opposite of what should be happening. Time to move on. Unless the team miraculously wins out, Clark and Co. should be gone at the end of the season. There are plenty of FCS head coaches and FBS offensive coordinators who would love a chance to head coach App State.

Agreed here. I think you give a staff 3 years to show improvements. After 5 years that is plenty of time. I love Shawn as a person and appreciate his effort but if we don't win out the remainder of this year then I think we should move on. There are many quality coaches who would take this job.

The 3 years / 5 years thing makes perfect sense as a rule of thumb, but the last 4 years have been way outside the norm and are significant factors to consider in judging the progress of a new coach. No, not "excuses"....factors used by any reasonable AD in an analysis and conclusion. Basing a "fire him now" decision that some (not saying you) put forth early on is more than stacking Wins and Losses against previous blocks of time. In his first year, Clark dealt with Covid...completely screwy situation. It was a frustrating season on multiple levels. That was immediately followed by both the Portal and NIL, which were new to college football and again...complicating factors. Clark was slow to use the portal which cost us badly in 2022. Last year started off with some poor performances but showed a turn around and strong finish. That would indicate good coaching. He never "lost the team" which was favorable. Most people have been of the opinion this was his measurement year. I've been a Clark supporter, but I can say that I've been very frustrated. I think Sloan is a good DC but this is the worst performance by an App D that I've ever seen.

Some folks feel like considering the above is being an apologist I disagree. I believe it's being a fan and supporting the team and coaches in light of facts and circumstances. Truth is that changing coaches is not without risk....just ask Georgia Southern. This season is baffling to me, which is why I've been largely quiet. I acknowledge that I don't have the information to explain what is happening. Clearly, something is wrong whether it is the talent, the coaches, or a combination of the two. It's rarely just one factor. Barring some major change, I expect a change at the top. It's hard to argue. Until that decision is made, I'll support the team and coaches to finish out this season. I think that if Clark were told today that he's done in December, he would still bust his ass to try to finish strong. People are entitled to their opinions but the personal insults that a few (not most) have posted towards Clark are unwarranted and he deserves better.

Sorry for the lengthy post It clearly wasn't targeted at you other than the response to the 3/5 years thing which again...is a bit simplistic.

[ASUTodd]

Was there a post game presser last night?

Yes. Although you can simply just rewatch the South Alabama or Clemson presser because you’ll hear all the same stuff.

“Eliminate big plays”, “too many mistakes”, “watch the tape, get back to work”.

Coach Clark as zero idea on how to fix whatever the issues are. These aren't one score losses (which everyone wanted to use as an excuse last year... If the ball just bounced our way.) These are blowouts with stupid penalties, missed assignments, weak play in the trenches, and questionable play calling and QB play (trying to do too much since nothing else is working). I walk into work, church, and anywhere else I know people and all they want to ask is what has happened at App State? What happened to the giant killers? Its not just "some of us" that think the ship is sinking...people on the outside see it as well. Stop trying to lead with your heart and open your eyes. Winning every game from here on out shouldn't change anything. A coaching change is needed.

[Pikapp79]

What good is all this bitching doing? Does Yosef Cabin determine who coaches the Mountaineers?

Fan support certainly does and this board is full of passionate fans who don’t easily give up. Normal fans aren’t supporting a mediocre team like normal. If a drop off in attendance comes due to on field performance bet your bottom dollar a change will be made.

[pop5app]

2019:
Need a new coach. Budget is busted.
1: App guy
2: Wants to be at app
3: We can afford him
4: By all measure a good hire.
Only question left was, can he he be a head coach?


2025:

Where are we now?