The cancer on this program is

[Saint3333]

Imagine having to have held a position to understand if someone is successful or not in their job.

You can argue that on the fringes, but this is in plain sight.

When you complain about the posters yet can’t defend the opposing view you are just whining as well.

[appgrad95&97]

You make a lot of good points above. I don't think most App fans expect ten win seasons every year. But the drop off with the football program has shocked me (I don't think I'm alone). Before last night had us 90 out of 264 division I teams-that'll fall further.

With respect to Gillin, specifically, let me say a few things: First, I think his first five years were absolutely fantastic. Like the football team, the last five years not great.

1. I said in 2019 that Clark was a lazy hire, buy I wished him well and hoped he would grow into the job.
2. I was not crazy about dropping programs.
3. While I really hoped Clark would grow into the job, it doesn't seem like he has or will. That makes me question his extention.
4. I have raised concerns about the finances for all the proposed facilities plans. About two years ago "funding was secured" for the East tower. I believe (from the Sept. BOT meeting), the reality is we have $20 million is soft commitments.
5. Basketball is finally looking good again. I'm not sure that raising season ticket prices makes a lot of sense. I think we should be trying to add season ticket holders not discouraging them.
6. I don't understand why he used part of his presentation at the BOT to claim the community doesn't invest enough in athletics.

I fully recognize there is room to disagree agree with every single point I've raised. But my opinion is that there are concerns out there.

[Bootsy]

You make a lot of good points above. I don't think most App fans expect ten win seasons every year. But the drop off with the football program has shocked me (I don't think I'm alone). Before last night had us 90 out of 264 division I teams-that'll fall further.

With respect to Gillin, specifically, let me say a few things: First, I think his first five years were absolutely fantastic. Like the football team, the last five years not great.

1. I said in 2019 that Clark was a lazy hire, buy I wished him well and hoped he would grow into the job.
2. I was not crazy about dropping programs.
3. While I really hoped Clark would grow into the job, it doesn't seem like he has or will. That makes me question his extention.
4. I have raised concerns about the finances for all the proposed facilities plans. About two years ago "funding was secured" for the East tower. I believe (from the Sept. BOT meeting), the reality is we have $20 million is soft commitments.
5. Basketball is finally looking good again. I'm not sure that raising season ticket prices makes a lot of sense. I think we should be trying to add season ticket holders not discouraging them.
6. I don't understand why he used part of his presentation at the BOT to claim the community doesn't invest enough in athletics.

I fully recognize there is room to disagree agree with every single point I've raised. But my opinion is that there are concerns out there.

Regarding Gillin, I've made my feelings clear. But I'll ask again: App has had success during his tenure as AD, yet he hasn't been poached by a P5. Why?

Maybe he isn't as great as many people seem to think?

[Saint3333]

Maybe he’s turned jobs down.

[AppStFan1]

I don't think there is a cancer. Just a whole bunch of folks wanting the alumni and one of biggest fans of the program to be successful. It has failed to the point of embarrassment. Gillen is going to follow the directions of the big donors just like any other AD to keep a job. Gillen isn't a cancer and Clark isn't the answer. My fear is even at G5 level our limitations will be the players we can afford to hire in NIL. That may actually be the cancer that is killing us.

You have to remember that we are playing peer programs. So NIL isn’t the issue when USA and Marshall beat up on us. I wouldn’t have said this a few weeks ago but I think we are making too much out of the whole NIL thing. NIL will create an even greater gap between the P4 and the G5 but it shouldn’t hurt us against Sun Belt teams.

I don’t think we have a “cancer”. Just a really good guy who isn’t working out as a head coach.

It is definitely not just NIL but we have some folks on Jack Branch Drive that tell anyone who listen it is as a way to give them an out. Gillin is not our cancer now.

I really hate that Shawn is not working out because he is a good guy and App alumni but we need to move on at the end of the season.

Not to mention Army/Navy who are literally not allowed to have NIL are a combined 10-0.

Exactly. It’s coaching and recruiting. Our biggest issues are bad OL recruiting, bad HQ QB recruiting, bad defense, and awful staff hiring by Shawn.

[AppStFan1]

You make a lot of good points above. I don't think most App fans expect ten win seasons every year. But the drop off with the football program has shocked me (I don't think I'm alone). Before last night had us 90 out of 264 division I teams-that'll fall further.

With respect to Gillin, specifically, let me say a few things: First, I think his first five years were absolutely fantastic. Like the football team, the last five years not great.

1. I said in 2019 that Clark was a lazy hire, buy I wished him well and hoped he would grow into the job.
2. I was not crazy about dropping programs.
3. While I really hoped Clark would grow into the job, it doesn't seem like he has or will. That makes me question his extention.
4. I have raised concerns about the finances for all the proposed facilities plans. About two years ago "funding was secured" for the East tower. I believe (from the Sept. BOT meeting), the reality is we have $20 million is soft commitments.
5. Basketball is finally looking good again. I'm not sure that raising season ticket prices makes a lot of sense. I think we should be trying to add season ticket holders not discouraging them.
6. I don't understand why he used part of his presentation at the BOT to claim the community doesn't invest enough in athletics.

I fully recognize there is room to disagree agree with every single point I've raised. But my opinion is that there are concerns out there.

You make good points. Raising basketball season tickets when the schedule is bad is amazing to me. Many of us saw it and decided to pass on buying.

[AppStFan1]

You make a lot of good points above. I don't think most App fans expect ten win seasons every year. But the drop off with the football program has shocked me (I don't think I'm alone). Before last night had us 90 out of 264 division I teams-that'll fall further.

With respect to Gillin, specifically, let me say a few things: First, I think his first five years were absolutely fantastic. Like the football team, the last five years not great.

1. I said in 2019 that Clark was a lazy hire, buy I wished him well and hoped he would grow into the job.
2. I was not crazy about dropping programs.
3. While I really hoped Clark would grow into the job, it doesn't seem like he has or will. That makes me question his extention.
4. I have raised concerns about the finances for all the proposed facilities plans. About two years ago "funding was secured" for the East tower. I believe (from the Sept. BOT meeting), the reality is we have $20 million is soft commitments.
5. Basketball is finally looking good again. I'm not sure that raising season ticket prices makes a lot of sense. I think we should be trying to add season ticket holders not discouraging them.
6. I don't understand why he used part of his presentation at the BOT to claim the community doesn't invest enough in athletics.

I fully recognize there is room to disagree agree with every single point I've raised. But my opinion is that there are concerns out there.

Regarding Gillin, I've made my feelings clear. But I'll ask again: App has had success during his tenure as AD, yet he hasn't been poached by a P5. Why?

Maybe he isn't as great as many people seem to think?

He has turned down some jobs but he has also made some bad decisions as well

[Black Saturday]

I don't believe Gillin or money is the problem. Gillin has proven he can identify talent and we have something incredibly marketable and attractive on the mountain.

Id also say Clark isn't 100% the issue either...He has had to battle against poor recruiting from Drink, COVID and an expectation to succeed with returning talent since 2020. That returning talent has been increasingly supplemented with transfers. Building a team with transfers rather than the traditional way is risky. What we've seen this year is a product of all of this.

I believe we need expect our team to be built from the ground up, the Appalachian way, with players and coaches that want to be on the mountain. There is no team in the Sun Belt that has the total package like us and there's no reason we can be that way soon.

Good structures are built in strong foundations. We need to focus on the foundation right now.

I seem to be diametrically opposed because the way football is done has evolved at the speed of light the last four years, we can be left further behind. Blaming Covid and Drink is like blaming an ex-President for current woes, time has expired on those items.

[BeauFoster]

Maybe he’s turned jobs down.

He absolutely has, at least 2 that I’m aware of

[WVAPPeer]

I have been down this road way too many times since becoming a true APP fan - I'm not going to be getting into a back and forth on this as this is all I can say.

We were here last year with basically most of the same guys wanting the coach/es fired, in fact it has happened for many years. My first season as a real fan the signs I remember seeing were FIRE LANEY. I had no idea why as I was new to the program. As was mentioned previously there were FIRE MOORE periods of time even after he became the GOAT. And absolutely there was a pretty severe period of FIRE SATTERFIELD crap as well as posting a picture of a For Sale sign in front of the house. Drink wasn't here long enough to join this group but his assistant/s made the "big time".
I am not happy about how the team has looked/played this season, I'm sure no one is but what I would like to question those of you who are on the FIRE TRAIN, to tell me who / which program has maintained the level of APP over the last 10 years, particularly in the SunBelt. Other than just a small handful of elite P4 programs just about everyone else has been on the roller coaster ride during this time frame.
I have never blamed the status of where some believe the program is right now on Drink, Covid, NIL, Portal (although I did hear yesterday that Nate Noel was the 2nd leading rusher in the SEC and McLeod is rated one of the top pro prospects at his position) as there are problems other programs have to deal with. I do believe APP has picked up more overall talent than we have lost.
My feeling is regardless of how the rest of the season goes, Coach Clark should not be fired. In little over a week this program and university and community and its people have had their world turned upside down. No, we weren't playing at the level we expect before this happened but I'm not sure that some of the guys and coaches will get over this anytime soon.
So, you want to call in Coach Clark, AD Gillan, and all the assistant coaches and their families and tell them they are FIRED and of course, thank them for all they've done and we're sorry about all their losses (NOT Football losses) and See Ya Later?
Not a one of your guys on the FIRE THE COACHES TRAIN would have the balls to do that even if were justified - which it isn't.
That's all ---

HEAD COACH AT APP STATE (35-18 RECORD) 37-21
Year Overall League (Finish) Bowl (W/L)
2019 1-0 Took over after regular season New Orleans (W)
2020 9-3 6-2 (2nd East, 3rd Overall) Myrtle Beach (W)
2021 10-4 7-1 (1st East, 2nd Overall) Boca Raton (L)
2022 6-6 3-5 (4th East)
2023 9-5 6-2 (1st East, 3rd Overall) Cure (W)

3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison

[8993]

I have been down this road way too many times since becoming a true APP fan - I'm not going to be getting into a back and forth on this as this is all I can say.

We were here last year with basically most of the same guys wanting the coach/es fired, in fact it has happened for many years. My first season as a real fan the signs I remember seeing were FIRE LANEY. I had no idea why as I was new to the program. As was mentioned previously there were FIRE MOORE periods of time even after he became the GOAT. And absolutely there was a pretty severe period of FIRE SATTERFIELD crap as well as posting a picture of a For Sale sign in front of the house. Drink wasn't here long enough to join this group but his assistant/s made the "big time".
I am not happy about how the team has looked/played this season, I'm sure no one is but what I would like to question those of you who are on the FIRE TRAIN, to tell me who / which program has maintained the level of APP over the last 10 years, particularly in the SunBelt. Other than just a small handful of elite P4 programs just about everyone else has been on the roller coaster ride during this time frame.
I have never blamed the status of where some believe the program is right now on Drink, Covid, NIL, Portal (although I did hear yesterday that Nate Noel was the 2nd leading rusher in the SEC and McLeod is rated one of the top pro prospects at his position) as there are problems other programs have to deal with. I do believe APP has picked up more overall talent than we have lost.
My feeling is regardless of how the rest of the season goes, Coach Clark should not be fired. In little over a week this program and university and community and its people have had their world turned upside down. No, we weren't playing at the level we expect before this happened but I'm not sure that some of the guys and coaches will get over this anytime soon.
So, you want to call in Coach Clark, AD Gillan, and all the assistant coaches and their families and tell them they are FIRED and of course, thank them for all they've done and we're sorry about all their losses (NOT Football losses) and See Ya Later?
Not a one of your guys on the FIRE THE COACHES TRAIN would have the balls to do that even if were justified - which it isn't.
That's all ---

HEAD COACH AT APP STATE (35-18 RECORD) 37-21
Year Overall League (Finish) Bowl (W/L)
2019 1-0 Took over after regular season New Orleans (W)
2020 9-3 6-2 (2nd East, 3rd Overall) Myrtle Beach (W)
2021 10-4 7-1 (1st East, 2nd Overall) Boca Raton (L)
2022 6-6 3-5 (4th East)
2023 9-5 6-2 (1st East, 3rd Overall) Cure (W)

3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison

You do know this is a job, right? Like, being Head Coach is a job. If you, me, your best friend, your boss, your cousin, or anybody don’t perform well in our jobs, we don’t keep our jobs. It’s as simple at that.

Also, these problems existed well before the hurricane. To use that as a “YOU CANT DISPLACE A MAN AND HIS FAMILY AFTER THE HURRICANE!!!!111111” excuse is wild, especially when thousands of people have been displaced yet still have to show up to work and do a good job.

[BallantyneApp]

I have been down this road way too many times since becoming a true APP fan - I'm not going to be getting into a back and forth on this as this is all I can say.

We were here last year with basically most of the same guys wanting the coach/es fired, in fact it has happened for many years. My first season as a real fan the signs I remember seeing were FIRE LANEY. I had no idea why as I was new to the program. As was mentioned previously there were FIRE MOORE periods of time even after he became the GOAT. And absolutely there was a pretty severe period of FIRE SATTERFIELD crap as well as posting a picture of a For Sale sign in front of the house. Drink wasn't here long enough to join this group but his assistant/s made the "big time".
I am not happy about how the team has looked/played this season, I'm sure no one is but what I would like to question those of you who are on the FIRE TRAIN, to tell me who / which program has maintained the level of APP over the last 10 years, particularly in the SunBelt. Other than just a small handful of elite P4 programs just about everyone else has been on the roller coaster ride during this time frame.
I have never blamed the status of where some believe the program is right now on Drink, Covid, NIL, Portal (although I did hear yesterday that Nate Noel was the 2nd leading rusher in the SEC and McLeod is rated one of the top pro prospects at his position) as there are problems other programs have to deal with. I do believe APP has picked up more overall talent than we have lost.
My feeling is regardless of how the rest of the season goes, Coach Clark should not be fired. In little over a week this program and university and community and its people have had their world turned upside down. No, we weren't playing at the level we expect before this happened but I'm not sure that some of the guys and coaches will get over this anytime soon.
So, you want to call in Coach Clark, AD Gillan, and all the assistant coaches and their families and tell them they are FIRED and of course, thank them for all they've done and we're sorry about all their losses (NOT Football losses) and See Ya Later?
Not a one of your guys on the FIRE THE COACHES TRAIN would have the balls to do that even if were justified - which it isn't.
That's all ---

HEAD COACH AT APP STATE (35-18 RECORD) 37-21
Year Overall League (Finish) Bowl (W/L)
2019 1-0 Took over after regular season New Orleans (W)
2020 9-3 6-2 (2nd East, 3rd Overall) Myrtle Beach (W)
2021 10-4 7-1 (1st East, 2nd Overall) Boca Raton (L)
2022 6-6 3-5 (4th East)
2023 9-5 6-2 (1st East, 3rd Overall) Cure (W)

3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison

I get the emotional response in regards to the tragedy currently unfolding in the high country but these are all contract employees.

Assistant coaches are on 1 year contracts. The same people that claim someone “doesn’t have the balls to fire a coach” would applaud and offer as evidence of “fixing” Clark made a change. What’s the difference? I wouldn’t relish it but these are professionals. I’ve fired contractors, doctors landscapers. No one ever cries for them and some of them make a lot less.

Same with Doug gillin and Shawn Clark. They have contracts with prescribed remedies. Clark has made enough to retire if he so chooses.

[311neers]

I have been down this road way too many times since becoming a true APP fan - I'm not going to be getting into a back and forth on this as this is all I can say.

We were here last year with basically most of the same guys wanting the coach/es fired, in fact it has happened for many years. My first season as a real fan the signs I remember seeing were FIRE LANEY. I had no idea why as I was new to the program. As was mentioned previously there were FIRE MOORE periods of time even after he became the GOAT. And absolutely there was a pretty severe period of FIRE SATTERFIELD crap as well as posting a picture of a For Sale sign in front of the house. Drink wasn't here long enough to join this group but his assistant/s made the "big time".
I am not happy about how the team has looked/played this season, I'm sure no one is but what I would like to question those of you who are on the FIRE TRAIN, to tell me who / which program has maintained the level of APP over the last 10 years, particularly in the SunBelt. Other than just a small handful of elite P4 programs just about everyone else has been on the roller coaster ride during this time frame.
I have never blamed the status of where some believe the program is right now on Drink, Covid, NIL, Portal (although I did hear yesterday that Nate Noel was the 2nd leading rusher in the SEC and McLeod is rated one of the top pro prospects at his position) as there are problems other programs have to deal with. I do believe APP has picked up more overall talent than we have lost.
My feeling is regardless of how the rest of the season goes, Coach Clark should not be fired. In little over a week this program and university and community and its people have had their world turned upside down. No, we weren't playing at the level we expect before this happened but I'm not sure that some of the guys and coaches will get over this anytime soon.
So, you want to call in Coach Clark, AD Gillan, and all the assistant coaches and their families and tell them they are FIRED and of course, thank them for all they've done and we're sorry about all their losses (NOT Football losses) and See Ya Later?
Not a one of your guys on the FIRE THE COACHES TRAIN would have the balls to do that even if were justified - which it isn't.
That's all ---

HEAD COACH AT APP STATE (35-18 RECORD) 37-21
Year Overall League (Finish) Bowl (W/L)
2019 1-0 Took over after regular season New Orleans (W)
2020 9-3 6-2 (2nd East, 3rd Overall) Myrtle Beach (W)
2021 10-4 7-1 (1st East, 2nd Overall) Boca Raton (L)
2022 6-6 3-5 (4th East)
2023 9-5 6-2 (1st East, 3rd Overall) Cure (W)

3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison

You do know this is a job, right? Like, being Head Coach is a job. If you, me, your best friend, your boss, your cousin, or anybody don’t perform well in our jobs, we don’t keep our jobs. It’s as simple at that.

Also, these problems existed well before the hurricane. To use that as a “YOU CANT DISPLACE A MAN AND HIS FAMILY AFTER THE HURRICANE!!!!111111” excuse is wild, especially when thousands of people have been displaced yet still have to show up to work and do a good job.

Amen. After this year he will be a 38-25ish coach. Take out the FCS wins and he’s slightly better than .500. Not good enough here. The next coach better not be an ex OL or OL coach.

[AppinVA]

I have been down this road way too many times since becoming a true APP fan - I'm not going to be getting into a back and forth on this as this is all I can say.

We were here last year with basically most of the same guys wanting the coach/es fired, in fact it has happened for many years. My first season as a real fan the signs I remember seeing were FIRE LANEY. I had no idea why as I was new to the program. As was mentioned previously there were FIRE MOORE periods of time even after he became the GOAT. And absolutely there was a pretty severe period of FIRE SATTERFIELD crap as well as posting a picture of a For Sale sign in front of the house. Drink wasn't here long enough to join this group but his assistant/s made the "big time".
I am not happy about how the team has looked/played this season, I'm sure no one is but what I would like to question those of you who are on the FIRE TRAIN, to tell me who / which program has maintained the level of APP over the last 10 years, particularly in the SunBelt. Other than just a small handful of elite P4 programs just about everyone else has been on the roller coaster ride during this time frame.
I have never blamed the status of where some believe the program is right now on Drink, Covid, NIL, Portal (although I did hear yesterday that Nate Noel was the 2nd leading rusher in the SEC and McLeod is rated one of the top pro prospects at his position) as there are problems other programs have to deal with. I do believe APP has picked up more overall talent than we have lost.
My feeling is regardless of how the rest of the season goes, Coach Clark should not be fired. In little over a week this program and university and community and its people have had their world turned upside down. No, we weren't playing at the level we expect before this happened but I'm not sure that some of the guys and coaches will get over this anytime soon.
So, you want to call in Coach Clark, AD Gillan, and all the assistant coaches and their families and tell them they are FIRED and of course, thank them for all they've done and we're sorry about all their losses (NOT Football losses) and See Ya Later?
Not a one of your guys on the FIRE THE COACHES TRAIN would have the balls to do that even if were justified - which it isn't.
That's all ---

HEAD COACH AT APP STATE (35-18 RECORD) 37-21
Year Overall League (Finish) Bowl (W/L)
2019 1-0 Took over after regular season New Orleans (W)
2020 9-3 6-2 (2nd East, 3rd Overall) Myrtle Beach (W)
2021 10-4 7-1 (1st East, 2nd Overall) Boca Raton (L)
2022 6-6 3-5 (4th East)
2023 9-5 6-2 (1st East, 3rd Overall) Cure (W)

3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison

Let’s play a game of change the nouns…to West Virginia.

[Stonewall]

Some of the above I know to be accurate. Some I think is accurate. Some I don’t think so. I do know the people that will determine the direction of the program. They are busy with other priorities currently but before the storm , under which my property looks like ….I don’t know, I can’t describe it , But I am alive. Before I know they had to have a winning season to return next year. I do not believe that the storm changes that. It might. I don’t think so.

[AppfaninCAALand]

1. I said in 2019 that Clark was a lazy hire, buy I wished him well and hoped he would grow into the job.

3. While I really hoped Clark would grow into the job, it doesn't seem like he has or will. That makes me question his extention.

I thought at the time, and probably said on here, that Clark would be one of those coaches that would not be good enough to be hired away to a "bigger" school, but also not bad enough to fire. So far, that has been true. Time will tell on this season.

As for a "lazy hire", anytime you just elevate an assistant coach to fill a head coach vacancy, it is a lazy hire. That doesn't mean its a bad move, sometimes it works out great. Elevating assistant field hockey coach Emily Dinsmore was a lazy hire by Gillan as well, but were it not for blowning late 4th quarter leads vs Richmond and VCU a few weeks back, she could quite likely have App State field hockey nationally ranked, and that would have been an unthinkable occurance only a few short years ago for sure.

Anyway, I hope Clark can turn it around and become a lazy hire that worked out, but my hope is fading.

[appgrad95&97]

1. I said in 2019 that Clark was a lazy hire, buy I wished him well and hoped he would grow into the job.

3. While I really hoped Clark would grow into the job, it doesn't seem like he has or will. That makes me question his extention.

I thought at the time, and probably said on here, that Clark would be one of those coaches that would not be good enough to be hired away to a "bigger" school, but also not bad enough to fire. So far, that has been true. Time will tell on this season.

As for a "lazy hire", anytime you just elevate an assistant coach to fill a head coach vacancy, it is a lazy hire. That doesn't mean its a bad move, sometimes it works out great. Elevating assistant field hockey coach Emily Dinsmore was a lazy hire by Gillan as well, but were it not for blowning late 4th quarter leads vs Richmond and VCU a few weeks back, she could quite likely have App State field hockey nationally ranked, and that would have been an unthinkable occurance only a few short years ago for sure.

Anyway, I hope Clark can turn it around and become a lazy hire that worked out, but my hope is fading.

Great take.

[BallantyneApp]

I have been down this road way too many times since becoming a true APP fan - I'm not going to be getting into a back and forth on this as this is all I can say.

We were here last year with basically most of the same guys wanting the coach/es fired, in fact it has happened for many years. My first season as a real fan the signs I remember seeing were FIRE LANEY. I had no idea why as I was new to the program. As was mentioned previously there were FIRE MOORE periods of time even after he became the GOAT. And absolutely there was a pretty severe period of FIRE SATTERFIELD crap as well as posting a picture of a For Sale sign in front of the house. Drink wasn't here long enough to join this group but his assistant/s made the "big time".
I am not happy about how the team has looked/played this season, I'm sure no one is but what I would like to question those of you who are on the FIRE TRAIN, to tell me who / which program has maintained the level of APP over the last 10 years, particularly in the SunBelt. Other than just a small handful of elite P4 programs just about everyone else has been on the roller coaster ride during this time frame.
I have never blamed the status of where some believe the program is right now on Drink, Covid, NIL, Portal (although I did hear yesterday that Nate Noel was the 2nd leading rusher in the SEC and McLeod is rated one of the top pro prospects at his position) as there are problems other programs have to deal with. I do believe APP has picked up more overall talent than we have lost.
My feeling is regardless of how the rest of the season goes, Coach Clark should not be fired. In little over a week this program and university and community and its people have had their world turned upside down. No, we weren't playing at the level we expect before this happened but I'm not sure that some of the guys and coaches will get over this anytime soon.
So, you want to call in Coach Clark, AD Gillan, and all the assistant coaches and their families and tell them they are FIRED and of course, thank them for all they've done and we're sorry about all their losses (NOT Football losses) and See Ya Later?
Not a one of your guys on the FIRE THE COACHES TRAIN would have the balls to do that even if were justified - which it isn't.
That's all ---

HEAD COACH AT APP STATE (35-18 RECORD) 37-21
Year Overall League (Finish) Bowl (W/L)
2019 1-0 Took over after regular season New Orleans (W)
2020 9-3 6-2 (2nd East, 3rd Overall) Myrtle Beach (W)
2021 10-4 7-1 (1st East, 2nd Overall) Boca Raton (L)
2022 6-6 3-5 (4th East)
2023 9-5 6-2 (1st East, 3rd Overall) Cure (W)

3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison

Let’s play a game of change the nouns…to West Virginia.

A simple search of that users posts for “Neal brown” will tell you which program he’s invested in winning and which program he’s here “just for the hell of it”.

If Neal brown we’re losing to conference mates by 5 tds he would be lead pitchfork.

[ericsaid]

It takes money to make money. And we don't have it.

App has the most valuable brand in the Sun Belt by $30 million. Apparently App’s football brand value is $125 million and the next closest is Marshall at $80 million.

App either needs to leverage that in the Sun Belt or needs to leave the Sun Belt and see if the AAC is a possibility, while arguing for a full share in pay.

I can also tell you that South Alabama and Marshall are not paying more money than App State is. NIL existed in 2022 when Notre Dame and Texas A&M fell. It exists this year where Vanderbilt took Missouri to OT and just beat Alabama.


The issue isn’t money. The issue right now, as far as I can tell, is a confluence of issues with injuries and head coaching deficiencies.

I am all in favor of bringing in Tre Lamb or seeing what Ponce could do leading a program. Someone argued that “we don’t need someone learning on the job” in regards to Tre Lamb but that is exactly what Satterfield, Drinkwitz, and Clark have done. Lamb would be the first head coach with actual Head Coaching experience that App has brought in since the 80’s.


Football is changing and App, predictably, has not really evolved beyond what was going on in 2018. The defense is the same, the offensive scheme is more of an air raid but it is very straight forward. Sloan has continued the slide we saw under Dale Jones and it has hit rock bottom now. The worst since what, 2002?

Time to see if you can go after someone who has been successful everywhere they have been.

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It takes money to make money. And we don't have it.

App has the most valuable brand in the Sun Belt by $30 million. Apparently App’s football brand value is $125 million and the next closest is Marshall at $80 million.

App either needs to leverage that in the Sun Belt or needs to leave the Sun Belt and see if the AAC is a possibility, while arguing for a full share in pay.

I can also tell you that South Alabama and Marshall are not paying more money than App State is. NIL existed in 2022 when Notre Dame and Texas A&M fell. It exists this year where Vanderbilt took Missouri to OT and just beat Alabama.


The issue isn’t money. The issue right now, as far as I can tell, is a confluence of issues with injuries and head coaching deficiencies.

I am all in favor of bringing in Tre Lamb or seeing what Ponce could do leading a program. Someone argued that “we don’t need someone learning on the job” in regards to Tre Lamb but that is exactly what Satterfield, Drinkwitz, and Clark have done. Lamb would be the first head coach with actual Head Coaching experience that App has brought in since the 80’s.


Football is changing and App, predictably, has not really evolved beyond what was going on in 2018. The defense is the same, the offensive scheme is more of an air raid but it is very straight forward. Sloan has continued the slide we saw under Dale Jones and it has hit rock bottom now. The worst since what, 2002?

Time to see if you can go after someone who has been successful everywhere they have been.

I’ve talked to a few ex players that wanted Tre Lamb to get a look back in 2020. Granted, most of those I know played with Taylor Lamb, so there might be some bias there. Lamb didn’t help himself yesterday losing to UTchat.