Pete Thamel- App State Fires Shawn Clark

[hapapp]

Never been fired but also never made over $500m per year for multiple years. He will land a nice gig and be fine. It has to feel bad now but time heals especially when you chase the big check.

You are right, he will land a nice gig, but this hurt is not about money. This hurt will never go away. Ok I am done. This is just obviously something that some will not understand. Please, that is not a slam. There are many things I don't understand either. That is just life.

Bcoach, I get what you are saying it's like any of US App State football fans being banned from being an App State fan.... it would hurt to our bones... and for a long, long time.
I pray the coach Clark truely knows we love him for his dedication to App State and we will always remember his fight and he " gave his all for Appalachian State "

I don’t want to speak for bcoach but it sounded like he took umbrage with the comparison to losing a high school coaching position, which is akin to a second job, to a professional coach. This is Shawn’s source of providing for his family. He can’t just go down the road and find a coaching job that allows his family to stay where they are. He will have to uproot two teenage kids from their lives, which anyone will tell you isn’t easy, pack a house and find somewhere else to live.

The man made over $750k a year since 2020 and he's getting a $500k buyout. If he doesn't have enough money socked away to take a lower paying job and provide a comfortable life for his family, then he's worse at managing his money than managing the game clock.

No one is saying he can't do that. Its not about the money, its about the disruption to his family's life. He's been in Boone since 2016, his kids have grown up here, they have likely lived here longer than anywhere else. This is home. Yes, its part of the coach's life and they will adjust but it's not something that happens overnight.

[MrCraig]

You are right, he will land a nice gig, but this hurt is not about money. This hurt will never go away. Ok I am done. This is just obviously something that some will not understand. Please, that is not a slam. There are many things I don't understand either. That is just life.

Bcoach, I get what you are saying it's like any of US App State football fans being banned from being an App State fan.... it would hurt to our bones... and for a long, long time.
I pray the coach Clark truely knows we love him for his dedication to App State and we will always remember his fight and he " gave his all for Appalachian State "

I don’t want to speak for bcoach but it sounded like he took umbrage with the comparison to losing a high school coaching position, which is akin to a second job, to a professional coach. This is Shawn’s source of providing for his family. He can’t just go down the road and find a coaching job that allows his family to stay where they are. He will have to uproot two teenage kids from their lives, which anyone will tell you isn’t easy, pack a house and find somewhere else to live.

The man made over $750k a year since 2020 and he's getting a $500k buyout. If he doesn't have enough money socked away to take a lower paying job and provide a comfortable life for his family, then he's worse at managing his money than managing the game clock.

No one is saying he can't do that. Its not about the money, its about the disruption to his family's life. He's been in Boone since 2016, his kids have grown up here, they have likely lived here longer than anywhere else. This is home. Yes, its part of the coach's life and they will adjust but it's not something that happens overnight.

Exactly, it's the life of a coach. And this Christmas he is probably going to get to spend more time with his family than he ever has before. He's not going to miss Christmas plays or choir recitals or whatever to go coach a football game in a literal hurricane like last year. I'd say that's a real nice silver lining.

[AppSt94]

Never been fired but also never made over $500m per year for multiple years. He will land a nice gig and be fine. It has to feel bad now but time heals especially when you chase the big check.

You are right, he will land a nice gig, but this hurt is not about money. This hurt will never go away. Ok I am done. This is just obviously something that some will not understand. Please, that is not a slam. There are many things I don't understand either. That is just life.

Bcoach, I get what you are saying it's like any of US App State football fans being banned from being an App State fan.... it would hurt to our bones... and for a long, long time.
I pray the coach Clark truely knows we love him for his dedication to App State and we will always remember his fight and he " gave his all for Appalachian State "

I don’t want to speak for bcoach but it sounded like he took umbrage with the comparison to losing a high school coaching position, which is akin to a second job, to a professional coach. This is Shawn’s source of providing for his family. He can’t just go down the road and find a coaching job that allows his family to stay where they are. He will have to uproot two teenage kids from their lives, which anyone will tell you isn’t easy, pack a house and find somewhere else to live.

The man made over $750k a year since 2020 and he's getting a $500k buyout. If he doesn't have enough money socked away to take a lower paying job and provide a comfortable life for his family, then he's worse at managing his money than managing the game clock.

I really feel like you are missing the point. The strain isn’t due from a fiscal need. If you wanted to coach high school ball again, you have numerous options within driving distance of your house. Getting fired is bad enough. Getting fired from your Alma mater has to be rough. That aside, he can’t just go down the street and get another high paying coaching job. He has to uproot his family who all have established lives and friends. If you haven’t had to do it then you can’t understand. Money makes it easier on the pocketbook, but there are mental hurdles as a human being that money can’t wipe away.

[hapapp]

Bcoach, I get what you are saying it's like any of US App State football fans being banned from being an App State fan.... it would hurt to our bones... and for a long, long time.
I pray the coach Clark truely knows we love him for his dedication to App State and we will always remember his fight and he " gave his all for Appalachian State "

I don’t want to speak for bcoach but it sounded like he took umbrage with the comparison to losing a high school coaching position, which is akin to a second job, to a professional coach. This is Shawn’s source of providing for his family. He can’t just go down the road and find a coaching job that allows his family to stay where they are. He will have to uproot two teenage kids from their lives, which anyone will tell you isn’t easy, pack a house and find somewhere else to live.

The man made over $750k a year since 2020 and he's getting a $500k buyout. If he doesn't have enough money socked away to take a lower paying job and provide a comfortable life for his family, then he's worse at managing his money than managing the game clock.

No one is saying he can't do that. Its not about the money, its about the disruption to his family's life. He's been in Boone since 2016, his kids have grown up here, they have likely lived here longer than anywhere else. This is home. Yes, its part of the coach's life and they will adjust but it's not something that happens overnight.

Exactly, it's the life of a coach. And this Christmas he is probably going to get to spend more time with his family than he ever has before. He's not going to miss Christmas plays or choir recitals or whatever to go coach a football game in a literal hurricane like last year. I'd say that's a real nice silver lining.

But, he also is likely to be in the process of uprooting his family. No doubt, he'll be fine but it won't likely be a happy holiday season for he and his family.

[AppWyo]

How long will it be before everyone wants Shawn Clark back?

[MrCraig]

You are right, he will land a nice gig, but this hurt is not about money. This hurt will never go away. Ok I am done. This is just obviously something that some will not understand. Please, that is not a slam. There are many things I don't understand either. That is just life.

Bcoach, I get what you are saying it's like any of US App State football fans being banned from being an App State fan.... it would hurt to our bones... and for a long, long time.
I pray the coach Clark truely knows we love him for his dedication to App State and we will always remember his fight and he " gave his all for Appalachian State "

I don’t want to speak for bcoach but it sounded like he took umbrage with the comparison to losing a high school coaching position, which is akin to a second job, to a professional coach. This is Shawn’s source of providing for his family. He can’t just go down the road and find a coaching job that allows his family to stay where they are. He will have to uproot two teenage kids from their lives, which anyone will tell you isn’t easy, pack a house and find somewhere else to live.

The man made over $750k a year since 2020 and he's getting a $500k buyout. If he doesn't have enough money socked away to take a lower paying job and provide a comfortable life for his family, then he's worse at managing his money than managing the game clock.

I really feel like you are missing the point. The strain isn’t due from a fiscal need. If you wanted to coach high school ball again, you have numerous options within driving distance of your house. Getting fired is bad enough. Getting fired from your Alma mater has to be rough. That aside, he can’t just go down the street and get another high paying coaching job. He has to uproot his family who all have established lives and friends. If you haven’t had to do it then you can’t understand. Money makes it easier on the pocketbook, but there are mental hurdles as a human being that money can’t wipe away.

MY POINT is that he doesn't have to do any of that stuff! He's made enough money that if he was just a little bit smart with it, he could take a significantly lower paying job and not upend anything for his family. He lost his job, and that sucks, but he's in a much more advantageous position for himself and his family than most of his fellow App State grads. He'll be fine.

[Saint3333]

Live is full of risks, take the ones that are worth it.

Clark got to experience what 99% of coaches with aspirations never get a shot at. He should be proud he was willing to take a chance on himself.

There is always a positive light even in the dimmest of nights. God speed Coach.

[appstatealum]

How long will it be before everyone wants Shawn Clark back?

Somewhere around when the sun is expected to burn out

[bcoach]

Bcoach, I get what you are saying it's like any of US App State football fans being banned from being an App State fan.... it would hurt to our bones... and for a long, long time.
I pray the coach Clark truely knows we love him for his dedication to App State and we will always remember his fight and he " gave his all for Appalachian State "

I don’t want to speak for bcoach but it sounded like he took umbrage with the comparison to losing a high school coaching position, which is akin to a second job, to a professional coach. This is Shawn’s source of providing for his family. He can’t just go down the road and find a coaching job that allows his family to stay where they are. He will have to uproot two teenage kids from their lives, which anyone will tell you isn’t easy, pack a house and find somewhere else to live.

The man made over $750k a year since 2020 and he's getting a $500k buyout. If he doesn't have enough money socked away to take a lower paying job and provide a comfortable life for his family, then he's worse at managing his money than managing the game clock.

I really feel like you are missing the point. The strain isn’t due from a fiscal need. If you wanted to coach high school ball again, you have numerous options within driving distance of your house. Getting fired is bad enough. Getting fired from your Alma mater has to be rough. That aside, he can’t just go down the street and get another high paying coaching job. He has to uproot his family who all have established lives and friends. If you haven’t had to do it then you can’t understand. Money makes it easier on the pocketbook, but there are mental hurdles as a human being that money can’t wipe away.

MY POINT is that he doesn't have to do any of that stuff! He's made enough money that if he was just a little bit smart with it, he could take a significantly lower paying job and not upend anything for his family. He lost his job, and that sucks, but he's in a much more advantageous position for himself and his family than most of his fellow App State grads. He'll be fine.

Ok I said I was done but you still don't get it. You keep talking about money and new jobs. Never mind, I need to stay done. Sorry

[huskie3]

There are usually provisions within the agreement about when and how the buyout will be paid, it is usually not a lump sum. The BO can also be prorated if coach gets another job. Quit this pissing match and let things play out.

[BTK2000]

How long will it be before everyone wants Shawn Clark back?

I mean worst case scenario we und up non bowl eligible under a new coach so........ its either a push or better

[ASUTodd]

How long will it be before everyone wants Shawn Clark back?

I think someone said that about Moore. We all loved Moore but it was time and we didn't look back. Its not a slight....

[ASUTodd]

Does paying admission price for game tickets count as “paying the price of admission”? Asking for a friend.

It doesn't to me. Join the YC. A big time radio host can afford $100.

Some folks like to give to other entities. I give any extra money I have to my church and to religious missions. That's just me. While I'm passionate about football and App State..... I know it's just a business/game and people's eternal life far exceeds the outcome of sports. Not everyone does that and that's all well and good. What I dont say is that it makes them less of a Christian because they don't give nor does it make anyone less of a person of they don't do what I do.

Being a Christian has far greater implications in life than being a fan. Hard to even relate the two although that was a noble attempt.

It's still an excuse. I think if you support the program, which you do, you should join the YC. I really don't accept any excuses. But that's just me, I'm a pay to play guy.

Not an excuse in the least.... just for you I signed up and paid my Yosef Club membership.

[mike87]

Does paying admission price for game tickets count as “paying the price of admission”? Asking for a friend.

It doesn't to me. Join the YC. A big time radio host can afford $100.

Some folks like to give to other entities. I give any extra money I have to my church and to religious missions. That's just me. While I'm passionate about football and App State..... I know it's just a business/game and people's eternal life far exceeds the outcome of sports. Not everyone does that and that's all well and good. What I dont say is that it makes them less of a Christian because they don't give nor does it make anyone less of a person of they don't do what I do.

Being a Christian has far greater implications in life than being a fan. Hard to even relate the two although that was a noble attempt.

It's still an excuse. I think if you support the program, which you do, you should join the YC. I really don't accept any excuses. But that's just me, I'm a pay to play guy.

Not an excuse in the least.... just for you I signed up and paid my Yosef Club membership.

You're a good dude. I thank you on their behalf. Now we need to team up on Diesel

[ASUTodd]

It doesn't to me. Join the YC. A big time radio host can afford $100.

Some folks like to give to other entities. I give any extra money I have to my church and to religious missions. That's just me. While I'm passionate about football and App State..... I know it's just a business/game and people's eternal life far exceeds the outcome of sports. Not everyone does that and that's all well and good. What I dont say is that it makes them less of a Christian because they don't give nor does it make anyone less of a person of they don't do what I do.

Being a Christian has far greater implications in life than being a fan. Hard to even relate the two although that was a noble attempt.

It's still an excuse. I think if you support the program, which you do, you should join the YC. I really don't accept any excuses. But that's just me, I'm a pay to play guy.

Not an excuse in the least.... just for you I signed up and paid my Yosef Club membership.

You're a good dude. I thank you on their behalf. Now we need to team up on Diesel

I draw the line at NIL money. And if the college doesn't bring back men's soccer I may not renew! Lol

[RankinApp]

Shawn and his family are going to be fine.

Growing up in a military household I went to three different elementary, three middle, and two high schools.

My mom certainly wasn't paid HC money or given a buyout.

[Pikapp79]

How long will it be before everyone wants Shawn Clark back?

As soon as we go 3-8

[Seattleapp]

Bcoach, I get what you are saying it's like any of US App State football fans being banned from being an App State fan.... it would hurt to our bones... and for a long, long time.
I pray the coach Clark truely knows we love him for his dedication to App State and we will always remember his fight and he " gave his all for Appalachian State "

I don’t want to speak for bcoach but it sounded like he took umbrage with the comparison to losing a high school coaching position, which is akin to a second job, to a professional coach. This is Shawn’s source of providing for his family. He can’t just go down the road and find a coaching job that allows his family to stay where they are. He will have to uproot two teenage kids from their lives, which anyone will tell you isn’t easy, pack a house and find somewhere else to live.

The man made over $750k a year since 2020 and he's getting a $500k buyout. If he doesn't have enough money socked away to take a lower paying job and provide a comfortable life for his family, then he's worse at managing his money than managing the game clock.

No one is saying he can't do that. Its not about the money, its about the disruption to his family's life. He's been in Boone since 2016, his kids have grown up here, they have likely lived here longer than anywhere else. This is home. Yes, its part of the coach's life and they will adjust but it's not something that happens overnight.

Exactly, it's the life of a coach. And this Christmas he is probably going to get to spend more time with his family than he ever has before. He's not going to miss Christmas plays or choir recitals or whatever to go coach a football game in a literal hurricane like last year. I'd say that's a real nice silver lining.

He’s probably happy to be fired. I like the spin you are throwing on it.

[scatman77]

Now that the deed is done and all the anti-Shawn Clark folks are tickled pink I have a few comments. First, I hope that we somehow find the $$$ to pay the next HC a 7 figure salary like some of our SB brethren are doing. Second, all YC members need to make sure that they back-track on the threats to withhold contributions and/or season ticket. Third to all the anti-Shawn Clark people who are not YC members and were equally if not more vocal than the YC club donors I say pony up or shut up. Join the YC club and let your pocket book back up your desire to fire him.

To Shawn Clark I say: the overall results were not what we or you wanted but we couldn't ask for a better Mountaineer ambassador. Thank you Coach.

People don't have to give to YC to have opinion. That's about as dumb as saying people aren't fans if they don't xyz.....

This is true, but everyone that cares about App State athletics should donate something to Yosef Club.

Thank you JT. Half of all alumni (about 68,000) x $20/month x 12 months = a little over $16,000,000 which would fund Yosef and all scholarships. Then other monies would be centered on salaries. It's a shame alumni won't give at a little something.

[scatman77]

Now that the deed is done and all the anti-Shawn Clark folks are tickled pink I have a few comments. First, I hope that we somehow find the $$$ to pay the next HC a 7 figure salary like some of our SB brethren are doing. Second, all YC members need to make sure that they back-track on the threats to withhold contributions and/or season ticket. Third to all the anti-Shawn Clark people who are not YC members and were equally if not more vocal than the YC club donors I say pony up or shut up. Join the YC club and let your pocket book back up your desire to fire him.

To Shawn Clark I say: the overall results were not what we or you wanted but we couldn't ask for a better Mountaineer ambassador. Thank you Coach.

People don't have to give to YC to have opinion. That's about as dumb as saying people aren't fans if they don't xyz.....

No you don't have to give but your opinion is meaningless to me. If someone complains about the outcome of an election but doesn't vote then they have no right to complain. Same thing with the YC. What really disappoints me is the number of Mountaineer fans who on social media openly cheer (loudly with all CAPS) that he's finally fired and out on the street. Forget the fact his family is affected and the team is affected. Show some grace and class like a true Mountaineer. Some of the stuff I read was identical to a lot of stuff on the stink's pages and JMU. Mountaineers should be way above that.

How's the view up on that high horse?

NO HIGH HORSE HERE (using all caps on purpose.......). Just stating my opinion just as you have yours. What's really sad is that as a Mountaineer you cheer the misfortune and demise of a fellow Mountaineer. Sad....