Realistic coaching options for 2025...

[AppSt94]

Contract details as we all know , can derail an offer. Especially with multiple levels of approval required. Heather has shown her ability to make things happen though. I seems like we are close.

Sorry, who is Heather?

The Chancellor.

[Mjohn1988]

I just realized that Woods was on staffs with drinkwitz at Auburn, Ark state, and Missouri for a couple of years. Maybe this has been mentioned, but I didn’t realize there was a connection other than Sparky.

Drink will be in Charlotte on Monday…..maybe he decided one year in Boone just wasn’t enough

[BeauFoster]

Contract details as we all know , can derail an offer. Especially with multiple levels of approval required. Heather has shown her ability to make things happen though. I seems like we are close.

Sorry, who is Heather?

The interim chancellor

[BallantyneApp]

The Athletic did their cookie cutter job report.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/596911 ... ed-article

"App State is believed to have one of the better NIL setups in the league."

huh i guess there wasn't a secret cabal of South Alabama fans pumping tons of money into their NIL so they could beat us by 5 touchdowns.

[Yosef1986]

In several articles - we have been mentioned as one of the premier G5 coaching locations.

[Mjohn1988]

The Athletic did their cookie cutter job report.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/596911 ... ed-article

"App State is believed to have one of the better NIL setups in the league."

huh i guess there wasn't a secret cabal of South Alabama fans pumping tons of money into their NIL so they could beat us by 5 touchdowns.

Come on man, you can’t believe anything that’s just out there for mass consumption. Only the super secret stuff that’s whispered in hallways and dark rooms is true.

[ASUPATCH]

If it is down to Casey Woods and Neal Brown, my preference would be Casey, but I’d be a happy camper either way.

[WASU 93]

Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.

[t4pizza]

Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.

I am so with you on this one. I was talking with a friend (non App guy) today and mentioned that we were looking at Neal Brown, he shook his head and said, 'why would you want somebody else cast off that couldn't get it done?' I completely agreed with him. I just don't see any appeal at all in Neal Brown other than the fact that he has prior head coaching experience. But even on that front, he proved he couldn't win big at his last stop. People talk about how hard it is to win at West Virginia, but others seem to have done it. Just nothing to get excited about in my eyes.

[ASUPATCH]

For me it comes down to his stint at Troy. He took a team at our level that hadn't had a winning season in 5 years. Had 1 rebuild year then won 10+ games 3 straight seasons. Also won 3 straight bowls in the Sun Belt and has a 5-1 all time bowl record, which tells me, when he has time to plan he can out scheme other teams, but maybe hasn't always had the best talent to scheme with at WVU. Recruiting and NIL is now king in college sports. If we can nail the recruiting coordinator role and get enough $$$$ flowing, I think Neal is more than capable when he has the right pieces as he proved at Troy.

[AppSt94]

Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.

He knows how to run a program and Doug needs a safe pick here. Too much margin for error with an Assistant that’s never done it before. His tenure at a P5 wasn’t great but he has experience with working with limited resources versus Woods at SMU.

He wasn’t a viable candidate but he was mentioned here but Browns record as a P5 coach is better than Satt’s, whom some would take back in a heartbeat.

[AppSt94]

Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.

I am so with you on this one. I was talking with a friend (non App guy) today and mentioned that we were looking at Neal Brown, he shook his head and said, 'why would you want somebody else cast off that couldn't get it done?' I completely agreed with him. I just don't see any appeal at all in Neal Brown other than the fact that he has prior head coaching experience. But even on that front, he proved he couldn't win big at his last stop. People talk about how hard it is to win at West Virginia, but others seem to have done it. Just nothing to get excited about in my eyes.

Counterpoint, if he were winning big then he would be available and if he were looking, it wouldn’t be at us.

[ASUPATCH]

I am of the opinion that our donations to the program towards NIL, will mean far more than who we choose to lead it. Give me someone capable and lets pony up to get him the dudes.

[appfanjj]

In several articles - we have been mentioned as one of the premier G5 coaching locations.

Because we are.

[t4pizza]

For me it comes down to his stint at Troy. He took a team at our level that hadn't had a winning season in 5 years. Had 1 rebuild year then won 10+ games 3 straight seasons. Also won 3 straight bowls in the Sun Belt and has a 5-1 all time bowl record, which tells me, when he has time to plan he can out scheme other teams, but maybe hasn't always had the best talent to scheme with at WVU. Recruiting and NIL is now king in college sports. If we can nail the recruiting coordinator role and get enough $$$$ flowing, I think Neal is more than capable when he has the right pieces as he proved at Troy.

He took over a WVU team that had 5 consecutive winning seasons and proceeded to have a losing season in his first year, and then he never won as much as the previous coach(s). I get he is the safe bet because he has coaching experience. I just want a young innovative guy that is hungry to prove himself, Neal Brown isn't that guy anymore. I worry that we won't be getting the Troy version of Neal Brown.

[gsoappfan]

For me it comes down to his stint at Troy. He took a team at our level that hadn't had a winning season in 5 years. Had 1 rebuild year then won 10+ games 3 straight seasons. Also won 3 straight bowls in the Sun Belt and has a 5-1 all time bowl record, which tells me, when he has time to plan he can out scheme other teams, but maybe hasn't always had the best talent to scheme with at WVU. Recruiting and NIL is now king in college sports. If we can nail the recruiting coordinator role and get enough $$$$ flowing, I think Neal is more than capable when he has the right pieces as he proved at Troy.

It's been pointed out ad nasuem over the past several months that the buck stops with the head coach when it comes to recruiting. So if Brown hasn't had the best talent to scheme with, it seems that would fall on him. Is he all of a sudden going to recruit better at App?

Are you telling me he is going to have more resources at App than he had at WVU?

I'd rather have given Clark another year with a clean house mandate than hire Brown.

[BUTCH1991]

Serious question: What is it that excites you about Neal Brown?

Troy was our equal in a much weaker Sun Belt in 2016-2018 and he never had a breakout year at West Virginia. Even in his best season, 9 wins, they were blown out by the two ranked teams they played. 37-35 at WVU.

I am so with you on this one. I was talking with a friend (non App guy) today and mentioned that we were looking at Neal Brown, he shook his head and said, 'why would you want somebody else cast off that couldn't get it done?' I completely agreed with him. I just don't see any appeal at all in Neal Brown other than the fact that he has prior head coaching experience. But even on that front, he proved he couldn't win big at his last stop. People talk about how hard it is to win at West Virginia, but others seem to have done it. Just nothing to get excited about in my eyes.

That's what I said about Jerry Moore when we hired him.

[AppState89]

Just got off the phone with a WVU friend of mine. They just don't think that WVU can compete with the rest of the Big 12, but they lost two starters from last year that are now starters in the NFL. That's one reason their record isn't as good this year. There were some powerful doners that wanted Brown out and they placed bill boards on the roads which stated to fire him and even hired a pilot to fly a banner at a game to fire Brown. So, with that said, I'm not sure if they can't compete or players weren't as good. I was told they lost a 5 star recruit too due to him being fired.

I know it's next man up, but odds are the "next man" isn't as good as the ones who are now starters in the NFL. Look at Bucky. Came to Boone from a FCS team and is now in the league. The ones playing behind him or came behind him ALL came from P5 (P4) schools and I don't see one of them making it to the league.

Who knows. Just my convo with a hardcore WVU fan today who happens to really like him. Who knows, he could be a good fit in Boone. As someone stated, he did turn around a Troy team and he can do the same here if he is the one.

[ah59396]

For me it comes down to his stint at Troy. He took a team at our level that hadn't had a winning season in 5 years. Had 1 rebuild year then won 10+ games 3 straight seasons. Also won 3 straight bowls in the Sun Belt and has a 5-1 all time bowl record, which tells me, when he has time to plan he can out scheme other teams, but maybe hasn't always had the best talent to scheme with at WVU. Recruiting and NIL is now king in college sports. If we can nail the recruiting coordinator role and get enough $$$$ flowing, I think Neal is more than capable when he has the right pieces as he proved at Troy.

It's been pointed out ad nasuem over the past several months that the buck stops with the head coach when it comes to recruiting. So if Brown hasn't had the best talent to scheme with, it seems that would fall on him. Is he all of a sudden going to recruit better at App?

Are you telling me he is going to have more resources at App than he had at WVU?

I'd rather have given Clark another year with a clean house mandate than hire Brown.

You know I think what would be fair to compare is “where does WVU sit among its peers vs where does App State sit among ours?”

I’d argue that App State is THE premier program in the Sun Belt. You could make some argument for Marshall or maybe JMU, but otherwise I think we comprehensively dust any one else.

Where does WVU fall in the BIG12? Mid tier? Top 8?

He may not have more resources at App than he had at WVU, but he will also be running a different race.

And I say that as someone that’s fairly ambivalent towards his hiring, should it happen. Though the financial component is wildly appealing.

[Stonewall]

Jerry “ the cast off “ Moore. It was his third job and he was around .500 or worse as I recall, when we hired him.