What are the "ugly truths" about the football program?

[Seattleapp]

And I was right, so STFU

Ok tough keyboard warrior. I figure you’d be in mourning because we didn’t hire Rich Rodriguez. The second of your two tired talking points.

He just won a conference title. At JACKSONVILLE STATE.

And it must be eating you up inside.

Yeah. Five years with no conference titles, and not knowing when the next one will come... That eats me up inside.

Yes because Rich Rodriguez was the obvious choice to lead us to dominance 5 years ago. Have you even looked at the baggage he has? I don’t think the powers at be wanted anything to do with that. And just out of idle curiosity, who was your pick this time since you’ve been so vocal in letting everyone know who we shouldn’t have hired

[BambooRdApp]

Watauga High School could have won the CUSA championship in 2024....

[AppWyo]

Loggains only knows NFL & SEC football as a staff member or player. I would expect the expectations & "care" factor to be increased by this staff. Even if he retains some, I believe we'll see a lot of the things fans want; spring game, more media availability, uptick in recruiting.

The only difference between Drinkwitz & Loggains is the fact that Drinkwitz seemed hungrier initially. He came in with a plan and kicked this place into high gear immediately. With Drinkwitz you could tell he was not planning on staying here for long.

Loggains has been hired only for about 48 hours so still early to tell how fast he wants to get started but with the portal situation we're not exactly in the same scenario as when Drink was hired. You may see Loggains retain some staff simply because he needs positions filled to help with recruiting starting tomorrow.

Recruiting & Development carry your program. You can be a an average recruiter if you are a phenomenal developer. You can still win. You can do the same vice versa & win. You just can't be average at both. The great teams are phenomenal at both.

Drinkwitz set Clark up for failure really. Drink handed the keys to a Ferrari to Clark but in reality that Ferrari was out of gas & needed an oil change. Drinkwitz got the keys during a time where the roster was loaded. His strength program was about maintaining & not developing. He wanted to go to the NY6 that year & it worked aside from "Love Week" which cost us.

Clark was given a roster still competitive but lacked a year of development really. Then he tried to fix it & he just did not do a good enough job. He tried to fix it again & ran out of time. I believe Matt Greenhalgh was the best hire he made here. Given more time I think he could have fixed the development piece quicker & potentially still have a job.

This is probably what he argued as well, but ultimately that doesn't factor in the on-field performance or decisions, which cannot be ignored. He didn't have a huge network. His staff hires seemed lazy. So he put all his eggs in just recruiting bigger & more highly touted recruits & not enough in developing them or making the required staff adjustments to fix issues before they were exposed. We were complacent & simply not hungry enough. He was, I believe, but not everyone around him. At the end of the day while Clark could have been a great face & leader of this program, he didn't live up to the standard.

There is a lot of wisdom in what you have said, I believe the Ferrari needed to have the engine rebuilt, bald tires replaced, and a new clutch as well as having it pulled out of a ditch. In some ways, Drinkwitz may have ruined our fan base. However, we will recover and when we do, we will be better than anyone can imagine...

[AppinVA]

Host a Spring game in the actual spring. Not 30 degree Feb/March
Anyone have contract details?

I am more in favor of a controlled scrimmage rather than full blown spring game.

I live near Athens, GA and Kirby Smart killed it with their spring game. When he became coach he called out the fan base and basically said “if you wanna win, the fans need to be at everything” and challenged them to sell-out the spring game. Now “G Day” is a huge event every season when it was kind of just an afterthought before Kirby.
Loggains and co. could do something similar at App. I mean, I’m sure the students would love another chance to slide down Miller Hill!

Got to have a later spring game in order to have at least some possibilities of warmer weather if only slight chance
Also have it on a home basketball weekend and work schedule around both so fans can do both. We are not Gawgia...so, need additional enticements in my opinion....

Well yeah. We ain’t gonna get 95k ppl up to Boone for a spring game. But with enough good marketing and making it seem like something more important, they should be able to at least get 20-25k.

I remember them having a spring game and stuff when I was at App, but it was always an afterthought. Not a “must do.”

I’d love to have a baseball/spring game weekend. A tailgate in April. Sign me up.

[BallantyneApp]

Loggains only knows NFL & SEC football as a staff member or player. I would expect the expectations & "care" factor to be increased by this staff. Even if he retains some, I believe we'll see a lot of the things fans want; spring game, more media availability, uptick in recruiting.

The only difference between Drinkwitz & Loggains is the fact that Drinkwitz seemed hungrier initially. He came in with a plan and kicked this place into high gear immediately. With Drinkwitz you could tell he was not planning on staying here for long.

Loggains has been hired only for about 48 hours so still early to tell how fast he wants to get started but with the portal situation we're not exactly in the same scenario as when Drink was hired. You may see Loggains retain some staff simply because he needs positions filled to help with recruiting starting tomorrow.

Recruiting & Development carry your program. You can be a an average recruiter if you are a phenomenal developer. You can still win. You can do the same vice versa & win. You just can't be average at both. The great teams are phenomenal at both.

Drinkwitz set Clark up for failure really. Drink handed the keys to a Ferrari to Clark but in reality that Ferrari was out of gas & needed an oil change. Drinkwitz got the keys during a time where the roster was loaded. His strength program was about maintaining & not developing. He wanted to go to the NY6 that year & it worked aside from "Love Week" which cost us.

Clark was given a roster still competitive but lacked a year of development really. Then he tried to fix it & he just did not do a good enough job. He tried to fix it again & ran out of time. I believe Matt Greenhalgh was the best hire he made here. Given more time I think he could have fixed the development piece quicker & potentially still have a job.

This is probably what he argued as well, but ultimately that doesn't factor in the on-field performance or decisions, which cannot be ignored. He didn't have a huge network. His staff hires seemed lazy. So he put all his eggs in just recruiting bigger & more highly touted recruits & not enough in developing them or making the required staff adjustments to fix issues before they were exposed. We were complacent & simply not hungry enough. He was, I believe, but not everyone around him. At the end of the day while Clark could have been a great face & leader of this program, he didn't live up to the standard.

Seems like a very reasonable take.

[Pikapp79]

We rarely a mid tier Sun Belt program until proven different.

[Cro-Magnon App]

All kids would have had to be banned from practices if Rich Rod had been hired.

[ASUTodd]

Arguing that 5 years was not enough to fix "Drinks abhorrent destruction" of our football program is the biggest joke I have ever heard. Second biggest joke is that Drink ruined our football program.

[appvette]

Yeah, the scapegoating put on Drink is unreal.

[AppinVA]

Yeah, the scapegoating put on Drink is unreal.

My favorite was when he was accused of winning too much.

[yosef69]

Loggains only knows NFL & SEC football as a staff member or player. I would expect the expectations & "care" factor to be increased by this staff. Even if he retains some, I believe we'll see a lot of the things fans want; spring game, more media availability, uptick in recruiting.

The only difference between Drinkwitz & Loggains is the fact that Drinkwitz seemed hungrier initially. He came in with a plan and kicked this place into high gear immediately. With Drinkwitz you could tell he was not planning on staying here for long.

Loggains has been hired only for about 48 hours so still early to tell how fast he wants to get started but with the portal situation we're not exactly in the same scenario as when Drink was hired. You may see Loggains retain some staff simply because he needs positions filled to help with recruiting starting tomorrow.

Recruiting & Development carry your program. You can be a an average recruiter if you are a phenomenal developer. You can still win. You can do the same vice versa & win. You just can't be average at both. The great teams are phenomenal at both.

Drinkwitz set Clark up for failure really. Drink handed the keys to a Ferrari to Clark but in reality that Ferrari was out of gas & needed an oil change. Drinkwitz got the keys during a time where the roster was loaded. His strength program was about maintaining & not developing. He wanted to go to the NY6 that year & it worked aside from "Love Week" which cost us.

Clark was given a roster still competitive but lacked a year of development really. Then he tried to fix it & he just did not do a good enough job. He tried to fix it again & ran out of time. I believe Matt Greenhalgh was the best hire he made here. Given more time I think he could have fixed the development piece quicker & potentially still have a job.

This is probably what he argued as well, but ultimately that doesn't factor in the on-field performance or decisions, which cannot be ignored. He didn't have a huge network. His staff hires seemed lazy. So he put all his eggs in just recruiting bigger & more highly touted recruits & not enough in developing them or making the required staff adjustments to fix issues before they were exposed. We were complacent & simply not hungry enough. He was, I believe, but not everyone around him. At the end of the day while Clark could have been a great face & leader of this program, he didn't live up to the standard.

There is a lot of wisdom in what you have said, I believe the Ferrari needed to have the engine rebuilt, bald tires replaced, and a new clutch as well as having it pulled out of a ditch. In some ways, Drinkwitz may have ruined our fan base. However, we will recover and when we do, we will be better than anyone can imagine...

Get a grip. It wasn’t that bad

Clark inherited: Darrynton Evans, hennigan, Zac Thomas, a good OL, sutton, Malik Williams, Nate Noel, jolly, meech, McLeod, Dmarco Jackson, cam peoples, Milan Tucker, Jalen Virgil, etc.

Count the nfl players on Clark’s roster.

He inherited a ferrari that maybe, MAYBE, needed an oil change.

He coached the same team drink coached for 2 years.

[BeauFoster]

Yeah, the scapegoating put on Drink is unreal.

It’s easier to blame Drink than accept Clark just wasn’t able to get it done. Drink was an outsider and a fair amount of our fan base just couldn’t handle that. Therefore he is an easy scapegoat.

I don’t doubt that Drink left us in a bit of a pickle, but Clark had 5 years to clean up. Four if you want to give him a pass for Covid (which I can see). The unfortunate reality is that he couldn’t get there, and has left us worse off than when he took over.

[Pikapp79]

Yeah, the scapegoating put on Drink is unreal.

It’s easier to blame Drink than accept Clark just wasn’t able to get it done. Drink was an outsider and a fair amount of our fan base just couldn’t handle that. Therefore he is an easy scapegoat.

I don’t doubt that Drink left us in a bit of a pickle, but Clark had 5 years to clean up. Four if you want to give him a pass for Covid (which I can see). The unfortunate reality is that he couldn’t get there, and has left us worse off than when he took over.

Clark had his opportunity and failed. Now on to the next.

[704App]

I didn't read the whole thread, but I took the "ugly truths" more so about G5 college football as a whole than our program. I think the cold hard truths are the G5s are essentially the minor leagues now and how to attack it. Doug Middleton had a good tweet.



Apologies is this has already been discussed...

[Yosef10]

Loggains only knows NFL & SEC football as a staff member or player. I would expect the expectations & "care" factor to be increased by this staff. Even if he retains some, I believe we'll see a lot of the things fans want; spring game, more media availability, uptick in recruiting.

The only difference between Drinkwitz & Loggains is the fact that Drinkwitz seemed hungrier initially. He came in with a plan and kicked this place into high gear immediately. With Drinkwitz you could tell he was not planning on staying here for long.

Loggains has been hired only for about 48 hours so still early to tell how fast he wants to get started but with the portal situation we're not exactly in the same scenario as when Drink was hired. You may see Loggains retain some staff simply because he needs positions filled to help with recruiting starting tomorrow.

Recruiting & Development carry your program. You can be a an average recruiter if you are a phenomenal developer. You can still win. You can do the same vice versa & win. You just can't be average at both. The great teams are phenomenal at both.

Drinkwitz set Clark up for failure really. Drink handed the keys to a Ferrari to Clark but in reality that Ferrari was out of gas & needed an oil change. Drinkwitz got the keys during a time where the roster was loaded. His strength program was about maintaining & not developing. He wanted to go to the NY6 that year & it worked aside from "Love Week" which cost us.

Clark was given a roster still competitive but lacked a year of development really. Then he tried to fix it & he just did not do a good enough job. He tried to fix it again & ran out of time. I believe Matt Greenhalgh was the best hire he made here. Given more time I think he could have fixed the development piece quicker & potentially still have a job.

This is probably what he argued as well, but ultimately that doesn't factor in the on-field performance or decisions, which cannot be ignored. He didn't have a huge network. His staff hires seemed lazy. So he put all his eggs in just recruiting bigger & more highly touted recruits & not enough in developing them or making the required staff adjustments to fix issues before they were exposed. We were complacent & simply not hungry enough. He was, I believe, but not everyone around him. At the end of the day while Clark could have been a great face & leader of this program, he didn't live up to the standard.

Seems like a very reasonable take.

It’s actually pretty ridiculous. Clark had a loaded roster in 2020. Didn’t win anything with it. Was lucky enough to have those guys granted Covid years, most came back. Didn’t win anything again. In 2022 he had two years of guys in his program, and the transfer portal available. The team was considerably worse.

We haven’t had a HS QB recruited and developed since Zac Thomas. That is one persons huge error to own - Shawn Clark. And is emblematic of his recruiting and development as a whole.

[AppWyo]

Loggains only knows NFL & SEC football as a staff member or player. I would expect the expectations & "care" factor to be increased by this staff. Even if he retains some, I believe we'll see a lot of the things fans want; spring game, more media availability, uptick in recruiting.

The only difference between Drinkwitz & Loggains is the fact that Drinkwitz seemed hungrier initially. He came in with a plan and kicked this place into high gear immediately. With Drinkwitz you could tell he was not planning on staying here for long.

Loggains has been hired only for about 48 hours so still early to tell how fast he wants to get started but with the portal situation we're not exactly in the same scenario as when Drink was hired. You may see Loggains retain some staff simply because he needs positions filled to help with recruiting starting tomorrow.

Recruiting & Development carry your program. You can be a an average recruiter if you are a phenomenal developer. You can still win. You can do the same vice versa & win. You just can't be average at both. The great teams are phenomenal at both.

Drinkwitz set Clark up for failure really. Drink handed the keys to a Ferrari to Clark but in reality that Ferrari was out of gas & needed an oil change. Drinkwitz got the keys during a time where the roster was loaded. His strength program was about maintaining & not developing. He wanted to go to the NY6 that year & it worked aside from "Love Week" which cost us.

Clark was given a roster still competitive but lacked a year of development really. Then he tried to fix it & he just did not do a good enough job. He tried to fix it again & ran out of time. I believe Matt Greenhalgh was the best hire he made here. Given more time I think he could have fixed the development piece quicker & potentially still have a job.

This is probably what he argued as well, but ultimately that doesn't factor in the on-field performance or decisions, which cannot be ignored. He didn't have a huge network. His staff hires seemed lazy. So he put all his eggs in just recruiting bigger & more highly touted recruits & not enough in developing them or making the required staff adjustments to fix issues before they were exposed. We were complacent & simply not hungry enough. He was, I believe, but not everyone around him. At the end of the day while Clark could have been a great face & leader of this program, he didn't live up to the standard.

There is a lot of wisdom in what you have said, I believe the Ferrari needed to have the engine rebuilt, bald tires replaced, and a new clutch as well as having it pulled out of a ditch. In some ways, Drinkwitz may have ruined our fan base. However, we will recover and when we do, we will be better than anyone can imagine...

Get a grip. It wasn’t that bad

Clark inherited: Darrynton Evans, hennigan, Zac Thomas, a good OL, sutton, Malik Williams, Nate Noel, jolly, meech, McLeod, Dmarco Jackson, cam peoples, Milan Tucker, Jalen Virgil, etc.

Count the nfl players on Clark’s roster.

He inherited a ferrari that maybe, MAYBE, needed an oil change.

He coached the same team drink coached for 2 years.

That is the point, Drinkwitz used them up just like he used us. You must remember, Shawn Clark has been with us the entire FBS ride.

[yosef69]

Loggains only knows NFL & SEC football as a staff member or player. I would expect the expectations & "care" factor to be increased by this staff. Even if he retains some, I believe we'll see a lot of the things fans want; spring game, more media availability, uptick in recruiting.

The only difference between Drinkwitz & Loggains is the fact that Drinkwitz seemed hungrier initially. He came in with a plan and kicked this place into high gear immediately. With Drinkwitz you could tell he was not planning on staying here for long.

Loggains has been hired only for about 48 hours so still early to tell how fast he wants to get started but with the portal situation we're not exactly in the same scenario as when Drink was hired. You may see Loggains retain some staff simply because he needs positions filled to help with recruiting starting tomorrow.

Recruiting & Development carry your program. You can be a an average recruiter if you are a phenomenal developer. You can still win. You can do the same vice versa & win. You just can't be average at both. The great teams are phenomenal at both.

Drinkwitz set Clark up for failure really. Drink handed the keys to a Ferrari to Clark but in reality that Ferrari was out of gas & needed an oil change. Drinkwitz got the keys during a time where the roster was loaded. His strength program was about maintaining & not developing. He wanted to go to the NY6 that year & it worked aside from "Love Week" which cost us.

Clark was given a roster still competitive but lacked a year of development really. Then he tried to fix it & he just did not do a good enough job. He tried to fix it again & ran out of time. I believe Matt Greenhalgh was the best hire he made here. Given more time I think he could have fixed the development piece quicker & potentially still have a job.

This is probably what he argued as well, but ultimately that doesn't factor in the on-field performance or decisions, which cannot be ignored. He didn't have a huge network. His staff hires seemed lazy. So he put all his eggs in just recruiting bigger & more highly touted recruits & not enough in developing them or making the required staff adjustments to fix issues before they were exposed. We were complacent & simply not hungry enough. He was, I believe, but not everyone around him. At the end of the day while Clark could have been a great face & leader of this program, he didn't live up to the standard.

There is a lot of wisdom in what you have said, I believe the Ferrari needed to have the engine rebuilt, bald tires replaced, and a new clutch as well as having it pulled out of a ditch. In some ways, Drinkwitz may have ruined our fan base. However, we will recover and when we do, we will be better than anyone can imagine...

Get a grip. It wasn’t that bad

Clark inherited: Darrynton Evans, hennigan, Zac Thomas, a good OL, sutton, Malik Williams, Nate Noel, jolly, meech, McLeod, Dmarco Jackson, cam peoples, Milan Tucker, Jalen Virgil, etc.

Count the nfl players on Clark’s roster.

He inherited a ferrari that maybe, MAYBE, needed an oil change.

He coached the same team drink coached for 2 years.

That is the point, Drinkwitz used them up just like he used us. You must remember, Shawn Clark has been with us the entire FBS ride.

The hurt ex-gf look is starting to get old.

[Seattleapp]

Loggains only knows NFL & SEC football as a staff member or player. I would expect the expectations & "care" factor to be increased by this staff. Even if he retains some, I believe we'll see a lot of the things fans want; spring game, more media availability, uptick in recruiting.

The only difference between Drinkwitz & Loggains is the fact that Drinkwitz seemed hungrier initially. He came in with a plan and kicked this place into high gear immediately. With Drinkwitz you could tell he was not planning on staying here for long.

Loggains has been hired only for about 48 hours so still early to tell how fast he wants to get started but with the portal situation we're not exactly in the same scenario as when Drink was hired. You may see Loggains retain some staff simply because he needs positions filled to help with recruiting starting tomorrow.

Recruiting & Development carry your program. You can be a an average recruiter if you are a phenomenal developer. You can still win. You can do the same vice versa & win. You just can't be average at both. The great teams are phenomenal at both.

Drinkwitz set Clark up for failure really. Drink handed the keys to a Ferrari to Clark but in reality that Ferrari was out of gas & needed an oil change. Drinkwitz got the keys during a time where the roster was loaded. His strength program was about maintaining & not developing. He wanted to go to the NY6 that year & it worked aside from "Love Week" which cost us.

Clark was given a roster still competitive but lacked a year of development really. Then he tried to fix it & he just did not do a good enough job. He tried to fix it again & ran out of time. I believe Matt Greenhalgh was the best hire he made here. Given more time I think he could have fixed the development piece quicker & potentially still have a job.

This is probably what he argued as well, but ultimately that doesn't factor in the on-field performance or decisions, which cannot be ignored. He didn't have a huge network. His staff hires seemed lazy. So he put all his eggs in just recruiting bigger & more highly touted recruits & not enough in developing them or making the required staff adjustments to fix issues before they were exposed. We were complacent & simply not hungry enough. He was, I believe, but not everyone around him. At the end of the day while Clark could have been a great face & leader of this program, he didn't live up to the standard.

Seems like a very reasonable take.

It’s actually pretty ridiculous. Clark had a loaded roster in 2020. Didn’t win anything with it. Was lucky enough to have those guys granted Covid years, most came back. Didn’t win anything again. In 2022 he had two years of guys in his program, and the transfer portal available. The team was considerably worse.

We haven’t had a HS QB recruited and developed since Zac Thomas. That is one persons huge error to own - Shawn Clark. And is emblematic of his recruiting and development as a whole.

Come on. You are being a bit extreme. Clark I didn’t excel to the level we wanted but he wasn’t some dumpster fire either

[asu7]

Drink elevated our program. He is a good coach. If this guy is good he will leave soon too. The days of keeping a coach if you are good are over. We have to accept that. It’s gonna have to be next man up. ADs are gonna earn their paychecks. If you make it to year 5 of a coaches contract something is wrong.

I hope our guy is successful. Marsha just hired Gibson.

[yosef69]

Loggains only knows NFL & SEC football as a staff member or player. I would expect the expectations & "care" factor to be increased by this staff. Even if he retains some, I believe we'll see a lot of the things fans want; spring game, more media availability, uptick in recruiting.

The only difference between Drinkwitz & Loggains is the fact that Drinkwitz seemed hungrier initially. He came in with a plan and kicked this place into high gear immediately. With Drinkwitz you could tell he was not planning on staying here for long.

Loggains has been hired only for about 48 hours so still early to tell how fast he wants to get started but with the portal situation we're not exactly in the same scenario as when Drink was hired. You may see Loggains retain some staff simply because he needs positions filled to help with recruiting starting tomorrow.

Recruiting & Development carry your program. You can be a an average recruiter if you are a phenomenal developer. You can still win. You can do the same vice versa & win. You just can't be average at both. The great teams are phenomenal at both.

Drinkwitz set Clark up for failure really. Drink handed the keys to a Ferrari to Clark but in reality that Ferrari was out of gas & needed an oil change. Drinkwitz got the keys during a time where the roster was loaded. His strength program was about maintaining & not developing. He wanted to go to the NY6 that year & it worked aside from "Love Week" which cost us.

Clark was given a roster still competitive but lacked a year of development really. Then he tried to fix it & he just did not do a good enough job. He tried to fix it again & ran out of time. I believe Matt Greenhalgh was the best hire he made here. Given more time I think he could have fixed the development piece quicker & potentially still have a job.

This is probably what he argued as well, but ultimately that doesn't factor in the on-field performance or decisions, which cannot be ignored. He didn't have a huge network. His staff hires seemed lazy. So he put all his eggs in just recruiting bigger & more highly touted recruits & not enough in developing them or making the required staff adjustments to fix issues before they were exposed. We were complacent & simply not hungry enough. He was, I believe, but not everyone around him. At the end of the day while Clark could have been a great face & leader of this program, he didn't live up to the standard.

Seems like a very reasonable take.

It’s actually pretty ridiculous. Clark had a loaded roster in 2020. Didn’t win anything with it. Was lucky enough to have those guys granted Covid years, most came back. Didn’t win anything again. In 2022 he had two years of guys in his program, and the transfer portal available. The team was considerably worse.

We haven’t had a HS QB recruited and developed since Zac Thomas. That is one persons huge error to own - Shawn Clark. And is emblematic of his recruiting and development as a whole.

Come on. You are being a bit extreme. Clark I didn’t excel to the level we wanted but he wasn’t some dumpster fire either

Meh. Our 2 bowl misses in 3 years could be considered a small dumpster fire.