Roster/Staff Updates

[AppStFan1]

With all due respect to Gillin, not sure I care that much about what he thinks about the number of transfers…. Jerry Jones. What’s his coaching record?? Just need to continue to raise more NIL and $$$$.

I think his reasoning is money. You likely pay less to retain someone you got out of high school and you always prefer to pay someone who has been in your system for a while rather than someone who hasn’t done anything for you in past.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

You have Coach DLo with NFL experience. Dj Smith with NFL experience. Now Curtis Fuller with NFL experience. I don't think we have ever had a coaching staff with this much NFL experience. I know that doesn't always translate to college but all these guys have coached college as well..... I think DG and App State may have went all in on this round of coaching. We might reach heights we have never reached before. When DLo was first announced I wasn't convinced but now I just can't believe the NFL coaching talent we have.

This is Appalachian's attempt to counter the other NFL college coach in the state.

Assuming you mean Belichick, it won' even be close when he is done. He has much more money to play with and his name alone puts the Holes ahead in the game. Not to mention he's bringing with him and NFL GM. Highly doubt App is trying to counter anything he does. Working on two different levels.

I believe I read where his buyout is $1M. He has that much in his wallet. That tells me he intends to not be there very long. I’m guessing he’s hoping another NFL gig comes calling, but I’m not sure anyone wants him. He was offered two OC NFL positions but none for HC. If he does leave after 1 year, that might leave them in a bigger mess than before he got there. All those high profile guys that come there because of him are going bolt for the SEC.

[AppStFan1]

You have Coach DLo with NFL experience. Dj Smith with NFL experience. Now Curtis Fuller with NFL experience. I don't think we have ever had a coaching staff with this much NFL experience. I know that doesn't always translate to college but all these guys have coached college as well..... I think DG and App State may have went all in on this round of coaching. We might reach heights we have never reached before. When DLo was first announced I wasn't convinced but now I just can't believe the NFL coaching talent we have.

This is Appalachian's attempt to counter the other NFL college coach in the state.

Assuming you mean Belichick, it won' even be close when he is done. He has much more money to play with and his name alone puts the Holes ahead in the game. Not to mention he's bringing with him and NFL GM. Highly doubt App is trying to counter anything he does. Working on two different levels.

I believe I read where his buyout is $1M. He has that much in his wallet. That tells me he intends to not be there very long. I’m guessing he’s hoping another NFL gig comes calling, but I’m not sure anyone wants him. He was offered two OC NFL positions but none for HC. If he does leave after 1 year, that might leave them in a bigger mess than before he got there. All those high profile guys that come there because of him are going bolt for the SEC.

A reporter said someone close to Bill claims him going to UNC was a big FU to the NFL but they gave him the FU first. Think about this. We have people who say he is the GOAT. He has 6 rings and yet half the league had a coaching change last year or will this year and they all turned him down. Only one interview. Others could have fired their coach to make way for him but nobody did. Not to mention the embarrassment of him being in 70s and dating a girl in her 20s while he has bigger boobs than her. I know he is older but you would think at least one team would be near him if he is the best.

He is definitely hoping the NFL comes calling but at his age if nobody is now then why would they in a year from now?

[AppDub]

You have Coach DLo with NFL experience. Dj Smith with NFL experience. Now Curtis Fuller with NFL experience. I don't think we have ever had a coaching staff with this much NFL experience. I know that doesn't always translate to college but all these guys have coached college as well..... I think DG and App State may have went all in on this round of coaching. We might reach heights we have never reached before. When DLo was first announced I wasn't convinced but now I just can't believe the NFL coaching talent we have.

This is Appalachian's attempt to counter the other NFL college coach in the state.

Assuming you mean Belichick, it won' even be close when he is done. He has much more money to play with and his name alone puts the Holes ahead in the game. Not to mention he's bringing with him and NFL GM. Highly doubt App is trying to counter anything he does. Working on two different levels.

I believe I read where his buyout is $1M. He has that much in his wallet. That tells me he intends to not be there very long. I’m guessing he’s hoping another NFL gig comes calling, but I’m not sure anyone wants him. He was offered two OC NFL positions but none for HC. If he does leave after 1 year, that might leave them in a bigger mess than before he got there. All those high profile guys that come there because of him are going bolt for the SEC.

No disagreement in any of this. My point was whether those guys stick around or not, there is no way we are trying to match or respond to anything that group does and if we are, it's an awful silly thing to try as the playing field isn't level. I agree though, the UNC thing may start out okay, but could turn bad pretty quickly if the right opportunity for BB comes along or the wrong donor pisses him off.

[BallantyneApp]

With all due respect to Gillin, not sure I care that much about what he thinks about the number of transfers…. Jerry Jones. What’s his coaching record?? Just need to continue to raise more NIL and $$$$.

Gillin needs to focus on fundraising.

We should be blanketing Charlotte hard. We should have a rep that loves full time here and goes around and educates businesses on our brand in this city. Gillin should be playing at CCC and Quail Hollow.

[AppSt94]

With all due respect to Gillin, not sure I care that much about what he thinks about the number of transfers…. Jerry Jones. What’s his coaching record?? Just need to continue to raise more NIL and $$$$.

Gillin needs to focus on fundraising.

We should be blanketing Charlotte hard. We should have a rep that loves full time here and goes around and educates businesses on our brand in this city. Gillin should be playing at CCC and Quail Hollow.

That was in the works with putting someone in Charlotte full time but it fell through.

[EMCasu04]

With all due respect to Gillin, not sure I care that much about what he thinks about the number of transfers…. Jerry Jones. What’s his coaching record?? Just need to continue to raise more NIL and $$$$.

Gillin needs to focus on fundraising.

We should be blanketing Charlotte hard. We should have a rep that loves full time here and goes around and educates businesses on our brand in this city. Gillin should be playing at CCC and Quail Hollow.

That was in the works with putting someone in Charlotte full time but it fell through.

App generally needs a larger presence in both Charlotte and the Triangle. Both are alumni goldmines and aren’t being engaged sufficiently from a fundraising perspective. I’m in Durham and the presence here is essentially non-existent. Put a full time rep in both areas, demonstrate to the alumni that the university’s serious about competing with other in-state programs with NIL and the portal. The $ will come.

[AppSt94]

With all due respect to Gillin, not sure I care that much about what he thinks about the number of transfers…. Jerry Jones. What’s his coaching record?? Just need to continue to raise more NIL and $$$$.

Gillin needs to focus on fundraising.

We should be blanketing Charlotte hard. We should have a rep that loves full time here and goes around and educates businesses on our brand in this city. Gillin should be playing at CCC and Quail Hollow.

That was in the works with putting someone in Charlotte full time but it fell through.

App generally needs a larger presence in both Charlotte and the Triangle. Both are alumni goldmines and aren’t being engaged sufficiently from a fundraising perspective. I’m in Durham and the presence here is essentially non-existent. Put a full time rep in both areas, demonstrate to the alumni that the university’s serious about competing with other in-state programs with NIL and the portal. The $ will come.

The Triangle used to have one. Dave something. Not sure about Charlotte but there was a plan to put a MAF rep in Charlotte.

[DenverOfTheEast]

You have Coach DLo with NFL experience. Dj Smith with NFL experience. Now Curtis Fuller with NFL experience. I don't think we have ever had a coaching staff with this much NFL experience. I know that doesn't always translate to college but all these guys have coached college as well..... I think DG and App State may have went all in on this round of coaching. We might reach heights we have never reached before. When DLo was first announced I wasn't convinced but now I just can't believe the NFL coaching talent we have.

If they were this talented of NFL coaches - they would still be in the NFL. You really think they would choose Boone and a Group of 5 rebuild job over the Miami Dolphins, Dallas Cowboys, LA Rams, etc.....

DJ Smith was passed over as DC at Mizzo, Drink makes him Co-DC to pay him more out of respect to his recruiting abilities. He's a super nice guy, great with players, recruits, calling the coverages next Fall is a different animal. No different than the Ponce hire.

Boy some of you just trick yourself every day in to buying the Bulls*t.

[appstate24]

You have Coach DLo with NFL experience. Dj Smith with NFL experience. Now Curtis Fuller with NFL experience. I don't think we have ever had a coaching staff with this much NFL experience. I know that doesn't always translate to college but all these guys have coached college as well..... I think DG and App State may have went all in on this round of coaching. We might reach heights we have never reached before. When DLo was first announced I wasn't convinced but now I just can't believe the NFL coaching talent we have.

If they were this talented of NFL coaches - they would still be in the NFL. You really think they would choose Boone and a Group of 5 rebuild job over the Miami Dolphins, Dallas Cowboys, LA Rams, etc.....

DJ Smith was passed over as DC at Mizzo, Drink makes him Co-DC to pay him more out of respect to his recruiting abilities. He's a super nice guy, great with players, recruits, calling the coverages next Fall is a different animal. No different than the Ponce hire.

Boy some of you just trick yourself every day in to buying the Bulls*t.

At this point you want to be right so bad, that you would be willing to let the program fail, just to be able to say you were right. Honestly, dude give it a rest.

Doug could hire Nick Saban in his prime with Kirby as his DC, and you’d still bend yourself into a pretzel to tell us what a terrible decision he’s made. Move on dude, go cheer for someone else.

[EMCasu04]

DOTE reminds me of Midwest on the old AppFan site. Trolls gonna troll.

[DoesntEvenGoHere]

I agree with DOTE but in reality it is a crapshoot.

Think of coaches and players alike.

Player A ; a RS junior with very limited action at a major p4 contender. Has size, has frame, tape from HS checks out, but really only has practice tape from college.

He comes to App State, board is excited.

Outcome 1: Dude just wasn't good enough at old school to play but plays at App very well. Board praises staff for picking him up because they obviously saw something in him!

Outcome 2: He never plays or just isn't that great. Board then turns around and blames staff for taking a player that obviously couldn't cut it

We're doing the same thing with coaches...

Fuller - 10 years+ experience in the league. Never a DC, just a position coach.

Outcome 1: Just couldn't get his shot in the league but does well in college.

Outcome 2: You find out why he can't get a bigger job than an FCS school or 2 G5 schools very quickly.


Obviously everyone is rooting for App to win every game, never miss on a recruit or a coach. But that's not reality. So when people claim every move their team makes is so obviously the best thing ever, someone has to point out the potential negatives. Ying & Yang.

People who take it personally are the ones with the issues. Ying & Yang is everywhere. If you need a board where you only get the Ying or only get the Yang, make one.

[Saint3333]

You have Coach DLo with NFL experience. Dj Smith with NFL experience. Now Curtis Fuller with NFL experience. I don't think we have ever had a coaching staff with this much NFL experience. I know that doesn't always translate to college but all these guys have coached college as well..... I think DG and App State may have went all in on this round of coaching. We might reach heights we have never reached before. When DLo was first announced I wasn't convinced but now I just can't believe the NFL coaching talent we have.

If they were this talented of NFL coaches - they would still be in the NFL. You really think they would choose Boone and a Group of 5 rebuild job over the Miami Dolphins, Dallas Cowboys, LA Rams, etc.....

DJ Smith was passed over as DC at Mizzo, Drink makes him Co-DC to pay him more out of respect to his recruiting abilities. He's a super nice guy, great with players, recruits, calling the coverages next Fall is a different animal. No different than the Ponce hire.

Boy some of you just trick yourself every day in to buying the Bulls*t.

Show me where DJ hurt you. Sad.

[AppStFan1]

You have Coach DLo with NFL experience. Dj Smith with NFL experience. Now Curtis Fuller with NFL experience. I don't think we have ever had a coaching staff with this much NFL experience. I know that doesn't always translate to college but all these guys have coached college as well..... I think DG and App State may have went all in on this round of coaching. We might reach heights we have never reached before. When DLo was first announced I wasn't convinced but now I just can't believe the NFL coaching talent we have.

If they were this talented of NFL coaches - they would still be in the NFL. You really think they would choose Boone and a Group of 5 rebuild job over the Miami Dolphins, Dallas Cowboys, LA Rams, etc.....

DJ Smith was passed over as DC at Mizzo, Drink makes him Co-DC to pay him more out of respect to his recruiting abilities. He's a super nice guy, great with players, recruits, calling the coverages next Fall is a different animal. No different than the Ponce hire.

Boy some of you just trick yourself every day in to buying the Bulls*t.

That is not always true about coaches. Some aren't talented but there are bad coaches in college as well. A big reason is that some were hired due to their buddy being the head coach and when that coach is fired the first job offered is in college and they take it. Some coaches are in college because they could not cut it in the NFL but some just wanted to take jobs for more money. Some made a move like Loggains to take a slight paycut for a promotion that would possibly vault them into a bigger jobs. It is never just one reason why people make changes.

I think DJ deserves a chance and look forward to seeing but he does have to prove it like you said. Everyone though the Sloan hire was great until we saw the results and then people wanted a change.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

You have Coach DLo with NFL experience. Dj Smith with NFL experience. Now Curtis Fuller with NFL experience. I don't think we have ever had a coaching staff with this much NFL experience. I know that doesn't always translate to college but all these guys have coached college as well..... I think DG and App State may have went all in on this round of coaching. We might reach heights we have never reached before. When DLo was first announced I wasn't convinced but now I just can't believe the NFL coaching talent we have.

If they were this talented of NFL coaches - they would still be in the NFL. You really think they would choose Boone and a Group of 5 rebuild job over the Miami Dolphins, Dallas Cowboys, LA Rams, etc.....

DJ Smith was passed over as DC at Mizzo, Drink makes him Co-DC to pay him more out of respect to his recruiting abilities. He's a super nice guy, great with players, recruits, calling the coverages next Fall is a different animal. No different than the Ponce hire.

Boy some of you just trick yourself every day in to buying the Bulls*t.

If that’s how you feel about the Smith hire, then you must have felt exponentially worse when Clark was hired as our head coach considering you are basing your analysis off of experience.

[ASUTodd]

You have Coach DLo with NFL experience. Dj Smith with NFL experience. Now Curtis Fuller with NFL experience. I don't think we have ever had a coaching staff with this much NFL experience. I know that doesn't always translate to college but all these guys have coached college as well..... I think DG and App State may have went all in on this round of coaching. We might reach heights we have never reached before. When DLo was first announced I wasn't convinced but now I just can't believe the NFL coaching talent we have.

If they were this talented of NFL coaches - they would still be in the NFL. You really think they would choose Boone and a Group of 5 rebuild job over the Miami Dolphins, Dallas Cowboys, LA Rams, etc.....

DJ Smith was passed over as DC at Mizzo, Drink makes him Co-DC to pay him more out of respect to his recruiting abilities. He's a super nice guy, great with players, recruits, calling the coverages next Fall is a different animal. No different than the Ponce hire.

Boy some of you just trick yourself every day in to buying the Bulls*t.

You are the most bipolar person I know on this forum.

[AtlAppMan]

Fact is:
Almost all hires, I would say all hires at App are at some level taking a chance. We are not in position financially or as an Elite University (UGA, Bama, OSU, etc) that can just pick who they want. Even those schools may try and a candidate (coach) may have reasons for/against taking that job. Therefore we take a chance based on the best info we have and hope for the best. As some have said, sometimes they work and decision makers look good and sometimes it doesn't and some folks criticize for taking the chance. Satt, Drink and Clark all fall into those categories, two worked and one didn't. However, you never get EVERYTHING you want even when it works (i.e. Drink did well but left after one year). Clark didn't and stayed too long.

Players can fit same scenarios as above.

Therefore, let's not eat our own so much when something doesn't work out so well and don't beat up somebody for trying to take a positive attitude before the verdict has come in.

[Saint3333]

You have Coach DLo with NFL experience. Dj Smith with NFL experience. Now Curtis Fuller with NFL experience. I don't think we have ever had a coaching staff with this much NFL experience. I know that doesn't always translate to college but all these guys have coached college as well..... I think DG and App State may have went all in on this round of coaching. We might reach heights we have never reached before. When DLo was first announced I wasn't convinced but now I just can't believe the NFL coaching talent we have.

If they were this talented of NFL coaches - they would still be in the NFL. You really think they would choose Boone and a Group of 5 rebuild job over the Miami Dolphins, Dallas Cowboys, LA Rams, etc.....

DJ Smith was passed over as DC at Mizzo, Drink makes him Co-DC to pay him more out of respect to his recruiting abilities. He's a super nice guy, great with players, recruits, calling the coverages next Fall is a different animal. No different than the Ponce hire.

Boy some of you just trick yourself every day in to buying the Bulls*t.

If that’s how you feel about the Smith hire, then you must have felt exponentially worse when Clark was hired as our head coach considering you are basing your analysis off of experience.

The mental gymnastic skills you’d have to possess to understand this guy is off the charts.

Guys with legit resumes are written off before the calendar is turned, but wanted fans to be patient with a coach learning on the job in the fifth year.

[ASUTodd]

I agree with DOTE but in reality it is a crapshoot.

Think of coaches and players alike.

Player A ; a RS junior with very limited action at a major p4 contender. Has size, has frame, tape from HS checks out, but really only has practice tape from college.

He comes to App State, board is excited.

Outcome 1: Dude just wasn't good enough at old school to play but plays at App very well. Board praises staff for picking him up because they obviously saw something in him!

Outcome 2: He never plays or just isn't that great. Board then turns around and blames staff for taking a player that obviously couldn't cut it

We're doing the same thing with coaches...

Fuller - 10 years+ experience in the league. Never a DC, just a position coach.

Outcome 1: Just couldn't get his shot in the league but does well in college.

Outcome 2: You find out why he can't get a bigger job than an FCS school or 2 G5 schools very quickly.


Obviously everyone is rooting for App to win every game, never miss on a recruit or a coach. But that's not reality. So when people claim every move their team makes is so obviously the best thing ever, someone has to point out the potential negatives. Ying & Yang.

People who take it personally are the ones with the issues. Ying & Yang is everywhere. If you need a board where you only get the Ying or only get the Yang, make one.

Lets look at your Fuller scenario... If you took the time to read these forums and do your due diligence, you would see that Fuller was successful in the NFL and had a bright future but made some stupid mistakes when he was with the Panthers (and had to leave the NFL). There are numerous articles out there (even some I posted) that talked about how he was trying to rebuild his name and image. Sometimes people do stupid things and suffer the consequences. Sometimes they pick themselves up and try to right the ship. I think this is the case for Fuller. You posted two possible outcomes for each scenario, and you are right. It can be successful or it can go t1ts up.... The same is true with our past coaches. They could have been successful or they could fail..... You are saying that because there is a scenario where something fails we should just hold back any thoughts of optimism and just say to heck with it...

[fjblair]

I agree with DOTE but in reality it is a crapshoot.

Think of coaches and players alike.

Player A ; a RS junior with very limited action at a major p4 contender. Has size, has frame, tape from HS checks out, but really only has practice tape from college.

He comes to App State, board is excited.

Outcome 1: Dude just wasn't good enough at old school to play but plays at App very well. Board praises staff for picking him up because they obviously saw something in him!

Outcome 2: He never plays or just isn't that great. Board then turns around and blames staff for taking a player that obviously couldn't cut it

We're doing the same thing with coaches...

Fuller - 10 years+ experience in the league. Never a DC, just a position coach.

Outcome 1: Just couldn't get his shot in the league but does well in college.

Outcome 2: You find out why he can't get a bigger job than an FCS school or 2 G5 schools very quickly.


Obviously everyone is rooting for App to win every game, never miss on a recruit or a coach. But that's not reality. So when people claim every move their team makes is so obviously the best thing ever, someone has to point out the potential negatives. Ying & Yang.

People who take it personally are the ones with the issues. Ying & Yang is everywhere. If you need a board where you only get the Ying or only get the Yang, make one.

Does DOTE have a sock puppet?