A sobering reality we are going to have to face

[Seattleapp]

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[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

[appstate24]

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Sucks

[AtlAppMan]

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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

That's an idea for sure. If players were truly in an employee contract relationship that spans multiple years that could be an approach to put a value on the resource/asset that is getting poached and compensate the business (school) that is losing their resource/asset.

[BallantyneApp]

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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

[JTApps1]

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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

Yep, players being contract employees is all but certain at this point. It kills the connection between players and school in a lot of ways, and that is sad to see since it's a big part of differentiates college from the NFL. The massive TV deals changed everything though.

[EastHallApp]

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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

Yep, players being contract employees is all but certain at this point. It kills the connection between players and school in a lot of ways, and that is sad to see since it's a big part of differentiates college from the NFL. The massive TV deals changed everything though.

Connection between players and schools can't be deader than it is right now. At least with employee contracts, the school will be the ones paying them instead of... whoever is now, and they can hopefully establish a little stability with multi-year contracts. Plus actually ensure players are going to play rather than just "opting out" whenever they feel like it.

[AppSt94]

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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

How do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?

[ASUTodd]

What about trade clauses? I mean, if we are going to emulate the NFL, why not do some trading!

[Saint3333]

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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

How do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?

You've asked this question before and the answer remains the same. It will be same way every other employer in the US with employees under contract (i.e. not at will employment). Coaches buyouts go both ways and athletes will as well. There will be risks to signing players for multiple years, but in reality that is only an extension of the yearly risks we take on each scholarship.

[BallantyneApp]

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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

How do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?

the same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.

Now, like any other contract, any clause can be waived with mutual agreement. Some players who want to drop down to FCS/lower G5 might be willing to forgo their buyout clause so they can sign with another team.

[APPdiesel]

Not that you could ever get schools to agree to it but there needs to be a buyout structure in place so the injured program gets recompense for their lost asset. Whether it be a set fee or a graduating scale of "cost of development" that increases over time.

Pretending for a moment that it costs $50,000/yr per athlete at App...that's tuition, room and board, clothing, medical, food, and time spent with coaching staff; any program that wants to take that player away after his freshman year would have to pay 50% of that ($25k) to App to get him. After his sophomore year now that his cost of development has totaled $100k, they'd have to pay $50k to get him, and so on. If App spent 3 years developing a star QB out of high school, it would cost any program $75,000 to break his contract and sign him.

The NIL collectives can still do what they do and try to lure the player with money but the school he's intending to sign with would have to weigh "is it worth it to sign him?". The injured program would now have additional money in their coffers to replace the player rather than being **** out of luck.

It may also encourage more movement to occur early in a player's career when it's cheaper to get him vs later when it's more expensive.

[AppSt94]

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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

How do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?

the same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.

Now, like any other contract, any clause can be waived with mutual agreement. Some players who want to drop down to FCS/lower G5 might be willing to forgo their buyout clause so they can sign with another team.

This all makes sense and I don’t disagree with any of it as it’s now a business and you have to treat it as such. There is certainly risk and reward for both sides. I can only look at this from a perspective of “what would I do?” If I’m negotiating a contract to play at a school, I’d want a clause that allows me to leave without compensatory damages due to a coaching change. In that instance, which seems plausible, a school like App would lose any leverage to recoup money owed for guys like Johnson, Donald, Hollifield, Hopper, and Schrader.

I’m not a lawyer, but I have watched Suits and if I can think of ways around it, some lawyer would as well.

[Appmountaineers19]

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I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

How do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?

the same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.

Now, like any other contract, any clause can be waived with mutual agreement. Some players who want to drop down to FCS/lower G5 might be willing to forgo their buyout clause so they can sign with another team.

My BIL works in athletics at PSU. He said they are going to be straight up employees (1-2-3 year contracts, medical benefits, etc). Obviously lots of things to be ironed out but the way the model is trending Title 9 will be no more. Universities will decide what sports they want to field as NCAA or whatever entity comes along. All other sports will be club. G5's will have their own league within the next 5-7 years.

Even the big schools aren't fully funding every sport to their max as well with the new rules in place.
They will be able to fully fund the sports deemed NCAA when they cut the other sports. As of now I don't think many schools are fully funded with the new scholarship allotments for every sport.

Everything we know and love about college athletics is fading away. It sucks but it's the reality going forward.

[BallantyneApp]

I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

How do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?

the same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.

Now, like any other contract, any clause can be waived with mutual agreement. Some players who want to drop down to FCS/lower G5 might be willing to forgo their buyout clause so they can sign with another team.

My BIL works in athletics at PSU. He said they are going to be straight up employees (1-2-3 year contracts, medical benefits, etc). The way the model is trending Title 9 will be no more. Universities will decide what sports they want to field as NCAA or whatever entity comes along. All other sports will be club. G5's will have their own league within the next 5-7 years.

Even the big schools aren't fully funding every sport to there max as well with the new rules in place.

seems very plausible to me. Makes me extra thankful for our 2015-2019 run. Wish we could have pulled off Ga Southern and played a NY6 bowl.

Best case scenario theres a break in the P4 and only the top 30-40 teams form their own league and schools like Wake Forest UCF etc (hell maybe even State) get forced to play with us in the new middle league. Probably won't happen but it would be best case scenario.

[goapps93]

I don't think the collectives will disappear when players are under contract. They'll just go underground and use the bagman again.

[KentHogan]

Breaks my heart, but college football is done.

Hard for me to imagine a stubborn guy like me continuing to spend money to enable this craziness, and watch players who have no real commitment to their teams anymore.

[AppSt94]

Breaks my heart, but college football is done.

Hard for me to imagine a stubborn guy like me continuing to spend money to enable this craziness, and watch players who have no real commitment to their teams anymore.

We live in a different era now for sure.

[huskie3]

Will there be a non-compete clause in the contract? Similar to the old transfer where school got to approve where transfer went.

[Yosef1986]

Interesting conversation. A lot of great points of view and more questions than answers. With the athletes as the focal point and recipient of the NIL and very loose rules of the transfer portal - they could be eroding the very mechanism that is supplying the opportunity. It will be interesting to see if this is sustainable. In a way - the have and have not gap is widening. Even from the playoffs this year - there is a clear difference in the top teams and the other teams. Parity makes the sport better - we are now heading into the same teams competing for the title year end and year out.