NIL and future of NCAACF

[Woodstovegang]

I just wanted to put a thought out to the others on this board. This past weekend we witnessed the greed of (mostly the family of) a QB from UT that had already signed a huge deal to play for UT. Let me be clear..... I hate the way college Athletics have gone in this NIL era. But, what we are witnessing is straight from Pro sports (any) when a player signs a 5 year deal. Has two great years and wants to "renegotiate" the original contract after Two of 5 years. No player has EVER stated I'm not putting up numbers that used to "I'll take a pay cut". NIL is now empowering these students to act like the PROS. Reminds me Cam Newton's Father shopping his son from JUCO. If the NCAA coaches are serious about stopping the growth of this type of CANCER in college sports; the QB from UT will ONLY get offers from G5 for much less than his UT NIL. And I hope it's NOT a ASU deal............

[Mjohn1988]

I just wanted to put a thought out to the others on this board. This past weekend we witnessed the greed of (mostly the family of) a QB from UT that had already signed a huge deal to play for UT. Let me be clear..... I hate the way college Athletics have gone in this NIL era. But, what we are witnessing is straight from Pro sports (any) when a player signs a 5 year deal. Has two great years and wants to "renegotiate" the original contract after Two of 5 years. No player has EVER stated I'm not putting up numbers that used to "I'll take a pay cut". NIL is now empowering these students to act like the PROS. Reminds me Cam Newton's Father shopping his son from JUCO. If the NCAA coaches are serious about stopping the growth of this type of CANCER in college sports; the QB from UT will ONLY get offers from G5 for much less than his UT NIL. And I hope it's NOT a ASU deal............

If the coaches, Athletic Directors and Chancellors are serious about saving college sports they will take back their collective power. None of the players have anything without the brands these colleges built. All the colleges have to do is refuse to be involved in NIL and this whole mess will go away. They just have to exercise the power they have.

[VNova]

I just wanted to put a thought out to the others on this board. This past weekend we witnessed the greed of (mostly the family of) a QB from UT that had already signed a huge deal to play for UT. Let me be clear..... I hate the way college Athletics have gone in this NIL era. But, what we are witnessing is straight from Pro sports (any) when a player signs a 5 year deal. Has two great years and wants to "renegotiate" the original contract after Two of 5 years. No player has EVER stated I'm not putting up numbers that used to "I'll take a pay cut". NIL is now empowering these students to act like the PROS. Reminds me Cam Newton's Father shopping his son from JUCO. If the NCAA coaches are serious about stopping the growth of this type of CANCER in college sports; the QB from UT will ONLY get offers from G5 for much less than his UT NIL. And I hope it's NOT a ASU deal............

If the coaches, Athletic Directors and Chancellors are serious about saving college sports they will take back their collective power. None of the players have anything without the brands these colleges built. All the colleges have to do is refuse to be involved in NIL and this whole mess will go away. They just have to exercise the power they have.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but NIL won’t go away. Student athletes should be able to earn money as a social media “influencer” just like anyone else or earn money from their name and image (EA CFB game for example). If you’re saying Schools could tell students “if you want it, go get it on your own like any other student,” then 100% agree that should be the extent of their involvement.

[Saint3333]

Toothpaste isn’t going back into the tube.

Best they can do is set caps and regulations as part of a CBA.

[Mjohn1988]

I just wanted to put a thought out to the others on this board. This past weekend we witnessed the greed of (mostly the family of) a QB from UT that had already signed a huge deal to play for UT. Let me be clear..... I hate the way college Athletics have gone in this NIL era. But, what we are witnessing is straight from Pro sports (any) when a player signs a 5 year deal. Has two great years and wants to "renegotiate" the original contract after Two of 5 years. No player has EVER stated I'm not putting up numbers that used to "I'll take a pay cut". NIL is now empowering these students to act like the PROS. Reminds me Cam Newton's Father shopping his son from JUCO. If the NCAA coaches are serious about stopping the growth of this type of CANCER in college sports; the QB from UT will ONLY get offers from G5 for much less than his UT NIL. And I hope it's NOT a ASU deal............

If the coaches, Athletic Directors and Chancellors are serious about saving college sports they will take back their collective power. None of the players have anything without the brands these colleges built. All the colleges have to do is refuse to be involved in NIL and this whole mess will go away. They just have to exercise the power they have.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but NIL won’t go away. Student athletes should be able to earn money as a social media “influencer” just like anyone else or earn money from their name and image (EA CFB game for example). If you’re saying Schools could tell students “if you want it, go get it on your own like any other student,” then 100% agree that should be the extent of their involvement.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. If you can get an NIL deal great for you, but the university of XYZ isn’t involved. And if you don’t show up for practice or classes and mention NIL as a reason we will pack up your locker for you and ship it back to your parent’s house free of charge. That last part would make the idiots who are supplying the cash think twice about how much money they are putting into an 18 year old who can throw a ball.

[AppWyo]

I just wanted to put a thought out to the others on this board. This past weekend we witnessed the greed of (mostly the family of) a QB from UT that had already signed a huge deal to play for UT. Let me be clear..... I hate the way college Athletics have gone in this NIL era. But, what we are witnessing is straight from Pro sports (any) when a player signs a 5 year deal. Has two great years and wants to "renegotiate" the original contract after Two of 5 years. No player has EVER stated I'm not putting up numbers that used to "I'll take a pay cut". NIL is now empowering these students to act like the PROS. Reminds me Cam Newton's Father shopping his son from JUCO. If the NCAA coaches are serious about stopping the growth of this type of CANCER in college sports; the QB from UT will ONLY get offers from G5 for much less than his UT NIL. And I hope it's NOT a ASU deal............

If the coaches, Athletic Directors and Chancellors are serious about saving college sports they will take back their collective power. None of the players have anything without the brands these colleges built. All the colleges have to do is refuse to be involved in NIL and this whole mess will go away. They just have to exercise the power they have.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but NIL won’t go away. Student athletes should be able to earn money as a social media “influencer” just like anyone else or earn money from their name and image (EA CFB game for example). If you’re saying Schools could tell students “if you want it, go get it on your own like any other student,” then 100% agree that should be the extent of their involvement.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. If you can get an NIL deal great for you, but the university of XYZ isn’t involved. And if you don’t show up for practice or classes and mention NIL as a reason we will pack up your locker for you and ship it back to your parent’s house free of charge. That last part would make the idiots who are supplying the cash think twice about how much money they are putting into an 18 year old who can throw a ball.

The coaches, athletic directors, presidents, and chancellors are responsible, because all of them benefit from having winning teams. Do not forget that what the players are getting now is little compared to what these coaches have been getting for years. Loyalty to their schools? Most coaches are out the door as soon as they get a better offer, as well as chancellors, athletic directors, and presidents.

So why should the students have any loyalty or not renegotiate their contract when the adults are setting the example?

[appst89]

There is a difference between renegotiation and extortion. This dude threatened to sit out the playoff game unless they gave him more money. As much as I hate to say it, collective bargaining is the only solution to this.

[AppSt94]

I just wanted to put a thought out to the others on this board. This past weekend we witnessed the greed of (mostly the family of) a QB from UT that had already signed a huge deal to play for UT. Let me be clear..... I hate the way college Athletics have gone in this NIL era. But, what we are witnessing is straight from Pro sports (any) when a player signs a 5 year deal. Has two great years and wants to "renegotiate" the original contract after Two of 5 years. No player has EVER stated I'm not putting up numbers that used to "I'll take a pay cut". NIL is now empowering these students to act like the PROS. Reminds me Cam Newton's Father shopping his son from JUCO. If the NCAA coaches are serious about stopping the growth of this type of CANCER in college sports; the QB from UT will ONLY get offers from G5 for much less than his UT NIL. And I hope it's NOT a ASU deal............

If the coaches, Athletic Directors and Chancellors are serious about saving college sports they will take back their collective power. None of the players have anything without the brands these colleges built. All the colleges have to do is refuse to be involved in NIL and this whole mess will go away. They just have to exercise the power they have.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but NIL won’t go away. Student athletes should be able to earn money as a social media “influencer” just like anyone else or earn money from their name and image (EA CFB game for example). If you’re saying Schools could tell students “if you want it, go get it on your own like any other student,” then 100% agree that should be the extent of their involvement.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. If you can get an NIL deal great for you, but the university of XYZ isn’t involved. And if you don’t show up for practice or classes and mention NIL as a reason we will pack up your locker for you and ship it back to your parent’s house free of charge. That last part would make the idiots who are supplying the cash think twice about how much money they are putting into an 18 year old who can throw a ball.

The coaches, athletic directors, presidents, and chancellors are responsible, because all of them benefit from having winning teams. Do not forget that what the players are getting now is little compared to what these coaches have been getting for years. Loyalty to their schools? Most coaches are out the door as soon as they get a better offer, as well as chancellors, athletic directors, and presidents.

So why should the students have any loyalty or not renegotiate their contract when the adults are setting the example?

Fans seem to forget that players, coaches, ADs and Chancellors likely didn’t go to school there so it’s a job to these folks. Their loyalties are to their families. Players today aren’t like regular students in that their “college experience” isn’t the same as the regular student. I don’t have an issue with a player “earning” money and I don’t have an issue with renegotiation. My issue would lie with the negotiation tactics of sitting out. That is a me move and those guys kill locker rooms.

[Saint3333]

Sign two year contracts with buyouts for both parties.

90% of those contracts can be boiler plate for majority of the players and what "tier" they fall in i.e.

Tier 1: Two years, scholarship, $50k, buyout is 50% of remaining balance for the school, poaching school pays one year of previously agreed to "NIL"
Tier 2: Two years, scholarship, $25k, same buyout ratio as tier 1
Tier 3: Two years, scholarship, $0, no school buyout (scholarship not cancelable), $10k buyout for poaching school

They want to be professionals, tax any dollar above the cost of the scholarship.

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

They want to be professionals, tax any dollar above the cost of the scholarship.

Is it not already? I can't imagine a scenario where it isn't viewed as taxable income by the IRS as it stands now but if there's a loophole to find, I'm sure they've found it.

[Apptiger]

I still like the plan from the old days with a tweak. Once upon a time, scholarship players were given a small stipend to pay for laundry costs, a meal out, long distance phone calls home, etc. I think that stopped somewhere in the 70's.

I'd like to see that tweaked to a small base salary that all players get. The effort, practice, training time, film time, etc. is generally done by the bench rider as well as the star players. Call it minimum wage if you will. And make no mistake, being a college athlete is work and a job.
Room, board, scholarship, books, relevant clothing and shoes, health care, tutoring as needed or requested, preferential scheduling and a monthly salary of $1,000- 2,500. You could scale the limits by conference. Sun Belt $2,500 a month cap, SEC $5,000 a month. That plus all the above would exceed average annual pay for most.

Then MAYBE pay for play for the stars. A per game incentive based on performance. Something like $1 per yard of rushing, receiving, kick returns. Field goals made, QB rating, OL line grades and maybe a bonus for all for winning.

Then help/let them sign outside promotion deals.
Got to stop somewhere or it will destroy the game we grew to love.

[fjblair]

I just wanted to put a thought out to the others on this board. This past weekend we witnessed the greed of (mostly the family of) a QB from UT that had already signed a huge deal to play for UT. Let me be clear..... I hate the way college Athletics have gone in this NIL era. But, what we are witnessing is straight from Pro sports (any) when a player signs a 5 year deal. Has two great years and wants to "renegotiate" the original contract after Two of 5 years. No player has EVER stated I'm not putting up numbers that used to "I'll take a pay cut". NIL is now empowering these students to act like the PROS. Reminds me Cam Newton's Father shopping his son from JUCO. If the NCAA coaches are serious about stopping the growth of this type of CANCER in college sports; the QB from UT will ONLY get offers from G5 for much less than his UT NIL. And I hope it's NOT a ASU deal............

If the coaches, Athletic Directors and Chancellors are serious about saving college sports they will take back their collective power. None of the players have anything without the brands these colleges built. All the colleges have to do is refuse to be involved in NIL and this whole mess will go away. They just have to exercise the power they have.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but NIL won’t go away. Student athletes should be able to earn money as a social media “influencer” just like anyone else or earn money from their name and image (EA CFB game for example). If you’re saying Schools could tell students “if you want it, go get it on your own like any other student,” then 100% agree that should be the extent of their involvement.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. If you can get an NIL deal great for you, but the university of XYZ isn’t involved. And if you don’t show up for practice or classes and mention NIL as a reason we will pack up your locker for you and ship it back to your parent’s house free of charge. That last part would make the idiots who are supplying the cash think twice about how much money they are putting into an 18 year old who can throw a ball.

The coaches, athletic directors, presidents, and chancellors are responsible, because all of them benefit from having winning teams. Do not forget that what the players are getting now is little compared to what these coaches have been getting for years. Loyalty to their schools? Most coaches are out the door as soon as they get a better offer, as well as chancellors, athletic directors, and presidents.

So why should the students have any loyalty or not renegotiate their contract when the adults are setting the example?

None of those people should be responsible for paying the player "NIL" money. If the player can go get the money in the market, go get it, but the school should not be involved in any way. It will never happen, but that's how it should operate in my opinion.

[AppSt94]

I still like the plan from the old days with a tweak. Once upon a time, scholarship players were given a small stipend to pay for laundry costs, a meal out, long distance phone calls home, etc. I think that stopped somewhere in the 70's.

I'd like to see that tweaked to a small base salary that all players get. The effort, practice, training time, film time, etc. is generally done by the bench rider as well as the star players. Call it minimum wage if you will. And make no mistake, being a college athlete is work and a job.
Room, board, scholarship, books, relevant clothing and shoes, health care, tutoring as needed or requested, preferential scheduling and a monthly salary of $1,000- 2,500. You could scale the limits by conference. Sun Belt $2,500 a month cap, SEC $5,000 a month. That plus all the above would exceed average annual pay for most.

Then MAYBE pay for play for the stars. A per game incentive based on performance. Something like $1 per yard of rushing, receiving, kick returns. Field goals made, QB rating, OL line grades and maybe a bonus for all for winning.

Then help/let them sign outside promotion deals.
Got to stop somewhere or it will destroy the game we grew to love.

I think that the incentive based pay for play could be problematic. It sets a team up for discord if guys don’t feel like they aren’t getting sufficient opportunities to earn that money.

[fjblair]

I still like the plan from the old days with a tweak. Once upon a time, scholarship players were given a small stipend to pay for laundry costs, a meal out, long distance phone calls home, etc. I think that stopped somewhere in the 70's.

I'd like to see that tweaked to a small base salary that all players get. The effort, practice, training time, film time, etc. is generally done by the bench rider as well as the star players. Call it minimum wage if you will. And make no mistake, being a college athlete is work and a job.
Room, board, scholarship, books, relevant clothing and shoes, health care, tutoring as needed or requested, preferential scheduling and a monthly salary of $1,000- 2,500. You could scale the limits by conference. Sun Belt $2,500 a month cap, SEC $5,000 a month. That plus all the above would exceed average annual pay for most.

Then MAYBE pay for play for the stars. A per game incentive based on performance. Something like $1 per yard of rushing, receiving, kick returns. Field goals made, QB rating, OL line grades and maybe a bonus for all for winning.

Then help/let them sign outside promotion deals.
Got to stop somewhere or it will destroy the game we grew to love.

I think that the incentive based pay for play could be problematic. It sets a team up for discord if guys don’t feel like they aren’t getting sufficient opportunities to earn that money.

That's fair, but I can't think of any system more problematic that the current one. It will eventually wreck the locker room. The kid who isn't getting paid is working just as hard or harder than the kid that is driving the Bugatti, and that is going to inevitably create division.

[AppSt94]

I still like the plan from the old days with a tweak. Once upon a time, scholarship players were given a small stipend to pay for laundry costs, a meal out, long distance phone calls home, etc. I think that stopped somewhere in the 70's.

I'd like to see that tweaked to a small base salary that all players get. The effort, practice, training time, film time, etc. is generally done by the bench rider as well as the star players. Call it minimum wage if you will. And make no mistake, being a college athlete is work and a job.
Room, board, scholarship, books, relevant clothing and shoes, health care, tutoring as needed or requested, preferential scheduling and a monthly salary of $1,000- 2,500. You could scale the limits by conference. Sun Belt $2,500 a month cap, SEC $5,000 a month. That plus all the above would exceed average annual pay for most.

Then MAYBE pay for play for the stars. A per game incentive based on performance. Something like $1 per yard of rushing, receiving, kick returns. Field goals made, QB rating, OL line grades and maybe a bonus for all for winning.

Then help/let them sign outside promotion deals.
Got to stop somewhere or it will destroy the game we grew to love.

I think that the incentive based pay for play could be problematic. It sets a team up for discord if guys don’t feel like they aren’t getting sufficient opportunities to earn that money.

That's fair, but I can't think of any system more problematic that the current one. It will eventually wreck the locker room. The kid who isn't getting paid is working just as hard or harder than the kid that is driving the Bugatti, and that is going to inevitably create division.

It is certainly problematic but I don’t think that NIL itself would create that issue in the locker room. These kids understand that some will get more than they willl. I think that the Nico situation where a guy that is already making way more than everyone else is asking for more and then sits out is the issue. If he was being treated unfairly, they would support him.

[BambooRdApp]

I still like the plan from the old days with a tweak. Once upon a time, scholarship players were given a small stipend to pay for laundry costs, a meal out, long distance phone calls home, etc. I think that stopped somewhere in the 70's.

I'd like to see that tweaked to a small base salary that all players get. The effort, practice, training time, film time, etc. is generally done by the bench rider as well as the star players. Call it minimum wage if you will. And make no mistake, being a college athlete is work and a job.
Room, board, scholarship, books, relevant clothing and shoes, health care, tutoring as needed or requested, preferential scheduling and a monthly salary of $1,000- 2,500. You could scale the limits by conference. Sun Belt $2,500 a month cap, SEC $5,000 a month. That plus all the above would exceed average annual pay for most.

Then MAYBE pay for play for the stars. A per game incentive based on performance. Something like $1 per yard of rushing, receiving, kick returns. Field goals made, QB rating, OL line grades and maybe a bonus for all for winning.

Then help/let them sign outside promotion deals.
Got to stop somewhere or it will destroy the game we grew to love.

I think that the incentive based pay for play could be problematic. It sets a team up for discord if guys don’t feel like they aren’t getting sufficient opportunities to earn that money.

That's fair, but I can't think of any system more problematic that the current one. It will eventually wreck the locker room. The kid who isn't getting paid is working just as hard or harder than the kid that is driving the Bugatti, and that is going to inevitably create division.

It is certainly problematic but I don’t think that NIL itself would create that issue in the locker room. These kids understand that some will get more than they willl. I think that the Nico situation where a guy that is already making way more than everyone else is asking for more and then sits out is the issue. If he was being treated unfairly, they would support him.

All these types of situations happen every day... especially in MLB. Ohtani getting a billion...16th round guy who finally made it to the show getting $500K....it is newer for college...they will have to adjust....they basically have to get over it or it consumes them mentally to not be good teammates...and good coaches that have the pulse of the players will figure this out and bench the malcontents or send them packing....
The difference in college is that some players at Power schools and maybe many players at Group schools may not be getting paid.... So, you couple that with kids still maturing as functioning adults mentally....
Adds another layer for coaches to deal with the where the young men are mentally...

[Woodstovegang]

Each team allowed to name Ten "franchise" college team lead players for two years. Any player that leaves before the two year period the future signed University owes the team left 300,000.00 check. Smaller teams that develop talent reap some cost back and receiving team thinks more about pouching.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Smaller to mid G5’s and FCS teams go to play power schools for a large paycheck that helps to fund their programs- this is common knowledge that everyone understands and accepts. Every now and then smaller schools get the checks and the upset wins-we have a few of those. The big schools have no problem writing a $2m check to the small school to generally take a beating so they would certainly have no problem paying a player buyout. If ultimately the G5’s become the feeder programs paying a large buyout seems reasonable. The amount of buyout should vary depending on the level of the player “moving up”. We all saw several examples of basketball who played in the Final 4 who had previously played at lower level schools but moved up (so to speak). That same buyout concept could apply to FCS guys moving up to higher G5’s. If we lost 5 players a year to power schools and the buyout was $1m per that would certainly help subsidize our program and allow us to even pay some better talent on our end.

[Apptiger]

Good discussion on this topic folks. If we keep spitballing it we might hit on the magic formula. Someone needs to find it pretty quick or the game will start loosing fan base. I understand spring game attendance is down dramatically all over the country. Is that a precursor?

Anyone go to our spring game? How do we look?

[AppSt94]

Good discussion on this topic folks. If we keep spitballing it we might hit on the magic formula. Someone needs to find it pretty quick or the game will start loosing fan base. I understand spring game attendance is down dramatically all over the country. Is that a precursor?

Anyone go to our spring game? How do we look?

From my perspective it’s difficult to glean anything from last Saturday. The substitutions were so frenetic that it was difficult to gain a rhythm or see personal groupings that could work. The play calling was very conservative. They looked like a team that was still trying to find a groove with the new coaching staff.