Roster/Staff Updates

[AppStFan1]

CUBH. Committed Until Better Offer

That is exactly how it is. It is why when they leave us I don't get concerned or worry about how they do. 90% of these players don't love App like we do. They will drop us for an SEC, Big Ten, or ACC offer in a second and even drop us for Tulane and a couple other G5s.

We had a lot of FCS/D2 guys on our roster. We’ve had way more guys stepping down than we do stepping up in competition.

I should have said I was referencing portal and HS commits but in regards to players on our roster I agree. We had way too many FCS caliber guys.

[AppStFan1]

CUBH. Committed Until Better Offer

That is exactly how it is. It is why when they leave us I don't get concerned or worry about how they do. 90% of these players don't love App like we do. They will drop us for an SEC, Big Ten, or ACC offer in a second and even drop us for Tulane and a couple other G5s.

We had a lot of FCS/D2 guys on our roster. We’ve had way more guys stepping down than we do stepping up in competition.

I know the answer that I’m going to get from some on here and this isn’t directed at you directly. But how much of that is a product of the trickle down? Far more P4 players go down than G5 go up. So is it a talent issue or an option issue.

It is mostly talent because we see hundreds of players below FBS enter the portal and go to G5 and P4 schools. App has had 10 of 33 players who enter go P4 but then there are schools like South Dakota who have had 5 or more go P4 so clearly P4 schools are skipping 70% of our players to go for small school players.

If we had 105 scholarships at this level then I am sure a couple more would have gone P4 but I would say that regardless of numbers 20 of the 33 are really FCS or D2 talent.

[AppSt94]

CUBH. Committed Until Better Offer

That is exactly how it is. It is why when they leave us I don't get concerned or worry about how they do. 90% of these players don't love App like we do. They will drop us for an SEC, Big Ten, or ACC offer in a second and even drop us for Tulane and a couple other G5s.

We had a lot of FCS/D2 guys on our roster. We’ve had way more guys stepping down than we do stepping up in competition.

I know the answer that I’m going to get from some on here and this isn’t directed at you directly. But how much of that is a product of the trickle down? Far more P4 players go down than G5 go up. So is it a talent issue or an option issue.

It is mostly talent because we see hundreds of players below FBS enter the portal and go to G5 and P4 schools. App has had 10 of 33 players who enter go P4 but then there are schools like South Dakota who have had 5 or more go P4 so clearly P4 schools are skipping 70% of our players to go for small school players.

If we had 105 scholarships at this level then I am sure a couple more would have gone P4 but I would say that regardless of numbers 20 of the 33 are really FCS or D2 talent.

Boise, the G5 representative in the CFP currently has 18 guys in the portal. 1 guy is committed to USC, the remaining 17 are either moving lateral, down, or uncommitted. Does Boise have a talent issue?

[311neers]

That is exactly how it is. It is why when they leave us I don't get concerned or worry about how they do. 90% of these players don't love App like we do. They will drop us for an SEC, Big Ten, or ACC offer in a second and even drop us for Tulane and a couple other G5s.

We had a lot of FCS/D2 guys on our roster. We’ve had way more guys stepping down than we do stepping up in competition.

I know the answer that I’m going to get from some on here and this isn’t directed at you directly. But how much of that is a product of the trickle down? Far more P4 players go down than G5 go up. So is it a talent issue or an option issue.

It is mostly talent because we see hundreds of players below FBS enter the portal and go to G5 and P4 schools. App has had 10 of 33 players who enter go P4 but then there are schools like South Dakota who have had 5 or more go P4 so clearly P4 schools are skipping 70% of our players to go for small school players.

If we had 105 scholarships at this level then I am sure a couple more would have gone P4 but I would say that regardless of numbers 20 of the 33 are really FCS or D2 talent.

Boise, the G5 representative in the CFP currently has 18 guys in the portal. 1 guy is committed to USC, the remaining 17 are either moving lateral, down, or uncommitted. Does Boise have a talent issue?

The other alternative is stay where you are.
1. Make the jump up a level
2. Return to your team
3. Go to another G5
4. Move down a division or 2
5. Quit Football

Feel like we checked the boxes on all of these. Boise probably retained alot of talent as they essentially function like a P4 now, can't jump much higher than Boise State. Powerhouse with money, talent, facilities, brand...etc.

[311neers]

Hey, we lost a DB commit, but gained one as well! Need Weston Scramlin to post transfer ins. Hard to keep track of all this!

[biggie]

[AppStFan1]

That is exactly how it is. It is why when they leave us I don't get concerned or worry about how they do. 90% of these players don't love App like we do. They will drop us for an SEC, Big Ten, or ACC offer in a second and even drop us for Tulane and a couple other G5s.

We had a lot of FCS/D2 guys on our roster. We’ve had way more guys stepping down than we do stepping up in competition.

I know the answer that I’m going to get from some on here and this isn’t directed at you directly. But how much of that is a product of the trickle down? Far more P4 players go down than G5 go up. So is it a talent issue or an option issue.

It is mostly talent because we see hundreds of players below FBS enter the portal and go to G5 and P4 schools. App has had 10 of 33 players who enter go P4 but then there are schools like South Dakota who have had 5 or more go P4 so clearly P4 schools are skipping 70% of our players to go for small school players.

If we had 105 scholarships at this level then I am sure a couple more would have gone P4 but I would say that regardless of numbers 20 of the 33 are really FCS or D2 talent.

Boise, the G5 representative in the CFP currently has 18 guys in the portal. 1 guy is committed to USC, the remaining 17 are either moving lateral, down, or uncommitted. Does Boise have a talent issue?

Keep in mind with Boise is that they lost a pretty good size class with a lot of NFL prospects, unlike us. Every school is cleaning out some low level talent so even a team like Boise is going to have 8 or so that need to drop down. We have had more than double that so that is what makes me say we should have had more talent. Boise does not have a talent problem and their number is lower for other reasons.

[ASUFan4863]

That is exactly how it is. It is why when they leave us I don't get concerned or worry about how they do. 90% of these players don't love App like we do. They will drop us for an SEC, Big Ten, or ACC offer in a second and even drop us for Tulane and a couple other G5s.

We had a lot of FCS/D2 guys on our roster. We’ve had way more guys stepping down than we do stepping up in competition.

I know the answer that I’m going to get from some on here and this isn’t directed at you directly. But how much of that is a product of the trickle down? Far more P4 players go down than G5 go up. So is it a talent issue or an option issue.

It is mostly talent because we see hundreds of players below FBS enter the portal and go to G5 and P4 schools. App has had 10 of 33 players who enter go P4 but then there are schools like South Dakota who have had 5 or more go P4 so clearly P4 schools are skipping 70% of our players to go for small school players.

If we had 105 scholarships at this level then I am sure a couple more would have gone P4 but I would say that regardless of numbers 20 of the 33 are really FCS or D2 talent.

Boise, the G5 representative in the CFP currently has 18 guys in the portal. 1 guy is committed to USC, the remaining 17 are either moving lateral, down, or uncommitted. Does Boise have a talent issue?

Nice try.

Boise’s walkon WR who joined our team right before the spring semester was a standout performer at the spring game. No Boise does not have a talent problem. They have too much talent for the field it seems.

[AppinVA]

We had a lot of FCS/D2 guys on our roster. We’ve had way more guys stepping down than we do stepping up in competition.

I know the answer that I’m going to get from some on here and this isn’t directed at you directly. But how much of that is a product of the trickle down? Far more P4 players go down than G5 go up. So is it a talent issue or an option issue.

It is mostly talent because we see hundreds of players below FBS enter the portal and go to G5 and P4 schools. App has had 10 of 33 players who enter go P4 but then there are schools like South Dakota who have had 5 or more go P4 so clearly P4 schools are skipping 70% of our players to go for small school players.

If we had 105 scholarships at this level then I am sure a couple more would have gone P4 but I would say that regardless of numbers 20 of the 33 are really FCS or D2 talent.

Boise, the G5 representative in the CFP currently has 18 guys in the portal. 1 guy is committed to USC, the remaining 17 are either moving lateral, down, or uncommitted. Does Boise have a talent issue?

Nice try.

Boise’s walkon WR who joined our team right before the spring semester was a standout performer at the spring game. No Boise does not have a talent problem. They have too much talent for the field it seems.

I remember those days.

[AppSt94]

By my count we have 76 scholarship players as of today.

19 Seniors
13 Juniors
17 Sophomores
27 Freshmen

[AppSt94]

According to the attached article. Data from 2023 shows that roughly 1 in 5 G5 players that enter the portal end up getting picked up by P4 schools. I’d say putting 8 out of 33 portal entries getting “promoted” puts App above the average. This years numbers aren’t available yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/513704 ... prospects/

[firemoose]

Just wanted to update everyone. I'm having to back build 247 profiles for many of these recent commits. It's a time consuming process to get it accurate, and since they are going on a national site and the transfer ratings from that site are listed, I need to get them correct. Sorry for the delays in putting these up. We picked up another DL in the last hour or so but he's another one I have to build for.

Earlier DB commit.

TRANSFER COMMIT:

https://247sports.com/player/ahmad-robinson-46098466/

New DL commit:

[ASUFan4863]

Haslam (OT), Burney (DT), Kaba (DT), Short (LB), Lane (LB), Brown (LB), Taylor (LB), Nix(LB), Easter (TE), Rosas (OG), Moore (OT), Todt (OG/OT), Bussell (OT), Smiley (DT), Helton brothers (OL), Downs (DT), Adams (DT), Jackson (DT), Laventure (DL), Mitchell (DL).

Interest could be small or could be big. Lane (LB) for example, is on a visit tomorrow. Cast a wide net to land the right fish.

Likely need 2 additional OL, DL and LB (each).

[AppStFan1]

By my count we have 76 scholarship players as of today.

19 Seniors
13 Juniors
17 Sophomores
27 Freshmen

Thanks for the numbers on that. Fairly good balance with classes.

[AppStFan1]

According to the attached article. Data from 2023 shows that roughly 1 in 5 G5 players that enter the portal end up getting picked up by P4 schools. I’d say putting 8 out of 33 portal entries getting “promoted” puts App above the average. This years numbers aren’t available yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/513704 ... prospects/

You mentioned the average for all schools but what is the average for the top 5-10 G5 programs? We need to compare ourselves to the top G5 programs instead of averaging them all because there are some schools with zero P4 talent that brings that average down.

Last year we only had 20 enter the portal but 14 of them went FCS, JUCO, or did not commit anywhere while only 2 went P4. We are suppose to be a top brand so we should be well above the average with numbers of players going P4.

I would be curious to see this year's numbers overall but so far 33 entered, 17 not committed or going FCS or below and 8 going P4. We have some who entered that are not listed as well but they were walk-ons so they might not get added.

[AppSt94]

According to the attached article. Data from 2023 shows that roughly 1 in 5 G5 players that enter the portal end up getting picked up by P4 schools. I’d say putting 8 out of 33 portal entries getting “promoted” puts App above the average. This years numbers aren’t available yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/513704 ... prospects/

You mentioned the average for all schools but what is the average for the top 5-10 G5 programs? We need to compare ourselves to the top G5 programs instead of averaging them all because there are some schools with zero P4 talent that brings that average down.

Last year we only had 20 enter the portal but 14 of them went FCS, JUCO, or did not commit anywhere while only 2 went P4. We are suppose to be a top brand so we should be well above the average with numbers of players going P4.

I would be curious to see this year's numbers overall but so far we got 33 entered with 17 not committed or going FCS or below and only 8 going P4.

I imagine that the data won’t be available for 2024 until the summer. I gave you the statistics that were available. Why do we NEED to compare ourselves to the top 5-10 teams? The numbers provided were for everyone which is a 100% sample size. No need to dilute it for narrative purposes. I showed you that current information for the best G5 team. The point of calling them out is that even the best teams have guys that aren’t FBS players.

I get that you and your buddies are trying real hard to bash the former coach and nothing is going to stop that. But the numbers prove that there was talent here and that talent was seen as desirable to P4 schools. So either they could recruit or they couldn’t. You can’t have it both ways.

[AppStFan1]

According to the attached article. Data from 2023 shows that roughly 1 in 5 G5 players that enter the portal end up getting picked up by P4 schools. I’d say putting 8 out of 33 portal entries getting “promoted” puts App above the average. This years numbers aren’t available yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/513704 ... prospects/

You mentioned the average for all schools but what is the average for the top 5-10 G5 programs? We need to compare ourselves to the top G5 programs instead of averaging them all because there are some schools with zero P4 talent that brings that average down.

Last year we only had 20 enter the portal but 14 of them went FCS, JUCO, or did not commit anywhere while only 2 went P4. We are suppose to be a top brand so we should be well above the average with numbers of players going P4.

I would be curious to see this year's numbers overall but so far we got 33 entered with 17 not committed or going FCS or below and only 8 going P4.

I imagine that the data won’t be available for 2024 until the summer. I gave you the statistics that were available. Why do we NEED to compare ourselves to the top 5-10 teams? The numbers provided were for everyone which is a 100% sample size. No need to dilute it for narrative purposes. I showed you that current information for the best G5 team. The point of calling them out is that even the best teams have guys that aren’t FBS players.

I get that you and your buddies are trying real hard to bash the former coach and nothing is going to stop that. But the numbers prove that there was talent here and that talent was seen as desirable to P4 schools. So either they could recruit or they couldn’t. You can’t have it both ways.

I think we need to compare to top 10 G5 programs because that is what we are suppose to be. Every team is going to have players that are not FBS caliber but my point for us is that we had more than we need to in order to win like we want. Even when Satt was here we had players that were not P4 caliber for sure but we saw more lower level talent the last 3 years. That fact is proven by the lower number of All-SBC players, missing bowl games, and how we went from having players drafted to now just hoping to get more than 1 sign a UDFA deal.

I think people are just talking about the talent and not piling on Shawn. His biggest flaw was he had some bad hires. I honestly think the talent argument falls more on the personnel and recruiting staff and luckily we got that cleaned out.

[firemoose]

Just wanted to update everyone. I'm having to back build 247 profiles for many of these recent commits. It's a time consuming process to get it accurate, and since they are going on a national site and the transfer ratings from that site are listed, I need to get them correct. Sorry for the delays in putting these up. We picked up another DL in the last hour or so but he's another one I have to build for.

Earlier DB commit.

TRANSFER COMMIT:

https://247sports.com/player/ahmad-robinson-46098466/

New DL commit:

https://247sports.com/player/saint-farrior-46158016/

[311neers]

According to the attached article. Data from 2023 shows that roughly 1 in 5 G5 players that enter the portal end up getting picked up by P4 schools. I’d say putting 8 out of 33 portal entries getting “promoted” puts App above the average. This years numbers aren’t available yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/513704 ... prospects/

8 is a pretty good number. Assuming you mean "promoted" as P4 or better programs than us currently- haven't really even looked at who went where yet.
We did have more than 33 in the portal (247 isn't catching them all...Hoban, Bradford, Wyatt...probably a few more), unless you are just counting scholarship guys. Think we were right at 40 total, fingers crossed that it stays at 40. And that still tracks with the data, 8 out of 40.

[AppSt94]

According to the attached article. Data from 2023 shows that roughly 1 in 5 G5 players that enter the portal end up getting picked up by P4 schools. I’d say putting 8 out of 33 portal entries getting “promoted” puts App above the average. This years numbers aren’t available yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/513704 ... prospects/

8 is a pretty good number. Assuming you mean "promoted" as P4 or better programs than us currently- haven't really even looked at who went where yet.
We did have more than 33 in the portal, unless you are just counting scholarship guys. Think we were right at 40 total, fingers crossed that it stays at 40. And that still tracks with the data, 8 out of 40.

I am referring to promoted to P4 for the 8. Of the 33 listed in the portal, all but 2 were scholarship players. I’m not sure why Hertz and Estep are there. I believe that a small part of the overall numbers in the portal is from walk-ons that may not have a spot once roster limits go into effect. I’ve seen where some coaches have pushed them in so they aren’t left out later.