NIL and future of NCAACF

[Bigdaddyg1]

I believe that one of the single worst words associated with all of this mess is “deserve”. Before this new world of “college athletics” ever exploded the word deserve was taken completely out of context by many. There were folks on this board who basically said that college athletes are almost like indentured servants. I agree that the NCAA probably should have been more proactive but part of me believes that they knew if any form of payment ever started it would be hard to police. I always thought punishing a coach, team or school for extremely minor offenses like buying a recruit or his family a meal was ridiculous but rules were rules. In the overall grand landscape how many schools and athletic departments NEVER got any infractions? I’d wager nearly all. The crooked coaches and crooked athletic departments were always going to exist. It now seems like the value of a free ride athletic scholarship isn’t what it used to be. I can’t recall one single college athlete who was forced to play ball. I’ve said many times that I have zero problem with an athlete getting paid for true NIL if he or she represents a company or if his or her name is on the back of a sold jersey. I get tired of watching a game and hearing the announcers make constant references to the “X” transfer. Who cares where some guy transferred from? And many now speak of some player’s NIL deal as if it’s just normal. The system is FUBAR and the NCAA knows it.

[t4pizza]

Another group of old men making the rules for 20-year-olds. They need someone more intimately into a 24 year old, who understands their mind and body. Maybe Belichick.

I can't think of a person better situated than Saban. He has been entrenched in college football for years and left because of the very problems that need to be fixed. He has a way better understanding of college athletes (especially football players and football is running the show) than anyone I can think of.

[t4pizza]

The void of leadership has led us to this.

100000%

The NCAA’s inability and unwillingness to address this for years, and instead just hoard cash led us to the disaster we are in right now. Doubt congress wants to deal with it, and honestly everything they touch turns to crap. Hoping President Trump can restore some sense of order here. Just afraid this train might be too far off the tracks at this point.

GO APPS!!

Congress could simply give the NCAA and antitrust exemption and restore governing power to the NCAA. That is all it would take, not very hard at all to do for Congress. Now many are probably worried about that because then nothing stops the NCAA from sharing any of the money, but the kids aren't getting any shared money now (until House settlement is approved) they are just getting paid by collectives. Give an antitrust exemption and require TRUE NIL (need to really use a name, image or likeness) and the mess is fixed. It really is that easy.

[mike87]

Another group of old men making the rules for 20-year-olds. They need someone more intimately into a 24 year old, who understands their mind and body. Maybe Belichick.

I can't think of a person better situated than Saban. He has been entrenched in college football for years and left because of the very problems that need to be fixed. He has a way better understanding of college athletes (especially football players and football is running the show) than anyone I can think of.

I agree with that. Sarcasm font was missing in the statement. I didn't think it was needed.

[Stonewall]

Saban has the President’s ear it seems. That’s a step ….

[bcoach]

I believe that one of the single worst words associated with all of this mess is “deserve”. Before this new world of “college athletics” ever exploded the word deserve was taken completely out of context by many. There were folks on this board who basically said that college athletes are almost like indentured servants. I agree that the NCAA probably should have been more proactive but part of me believes that they knew if any form of payment ever started it would be hard to police. I always thought punishing a coach, team or school for extremely minor offenses like buying a recruit or his family a meal was ridiculous but rules were rules. In the overall grand landscape how many schools and athletic departments NEVER got any infractions? I’d wager nearly all. The crooked coaches and crooked athletic departments were always going to exist. It now seems like the value of a free ride athletic scholarship isn’t what it used to be. I can’t recall one single college athlete who was forced to play ball. I’ve said many times that I have zero problem with an athlete getting paid for true NIL if he or she represents a company or if his or her name is on the back of a sold jersey. I get tired of watching a game and hearing the announcers make constant references to the “X” transfer. Who cares where some guy transferred from? And many now speak of some player’s NIL deal as if it’s just normal. The system is FUBAR and the NCAA knows it.

Very good points. In my opinion if you have to have NIL ( I am 100% against it) then it should be 100% NIL. Kid makes his own deal totally independant of the University or booster club. University can't sell jerseys with names on them. Player can not use any form of identification to the university. Take the University and athletic department completly out of the deal.

[AppWyo]

Another group of old men making the rules for 20-year-olds. They need someone more intimately into a 24 year old, who understands their mind and body. Maybe Belichick.

I can't think of a person better situated than Saban. He has been entrenched in college football for years and left because of the very problems that need to be fixed. He has a way better understanding of college athletes (especially football players and football is running the show) than anyone I can think of.

Saben also understands LSU and Alabama Football Money. I mean Texas used the NCAA to take down SMU because SMU was a threat to Texas. I just hope that App remains or becomes more relevant in the new Football World Order. I fear that any changes that are made will benefit the haves and punish the have nots...

[Woodstovegang]

Do not confuse common sense with good sense. If common sense were real, everyone would have it.

I say again. A structured system to reward FCS X2, and G5 X1. My start of negotiations would be FCS 1.5 Million and G5 800 thousand. It's time power conference pay for NIL at lower level through poaching penalties. Helps level the playing field for smaller teams that develope/sign talent they missed from high school. And FCS gets the "pay game" money for developing talent they saw and power conference did not.

[Pikapp79]

A guy who paid players now speaking against. Come on….

[Saint3333]

Fox in the hen house.

[Woodstovegang]

A guy who paid players now speaking against. Come on….

Pay the University losing(poached) the student athlete.....

[ASUTodd]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... commission

[Saint3333]

At the high school level we are seeing a lot of sports (not just football and basketball) getting harder for seniors to land major D1 spots. The trickle down effect is leading to more kids going the mid-major or D2 route and asked to work their way up. We can benefit for a season or two if played correctly.

[AppSt94]

You can’t relay on 18 and 19 year olds that slipped through the cracks to save your program at our level. Most of them aren’t ready for the field for a year or two. Look at the NBA and MLB. Does anyone pay attention to the minor leagues or the NBA Development League?

[Saint3333]

You can’t relay on 18 and 19 year olds that slipped through the cracks to save your program at our level.

That is literally our strength historically. Richardson, Hannon, Suttle, and about 100 others.

[AppSt94]

You can’t relay on 18 and 19 year olds that slipped through the cracks to save your program at our level.

That is literally our strength historically. Richardson, Hannon, Suttle, and about 100 others.

And how many of them would you bet would be around after year two?

[Saint3333]

They started or had significant playing time as a freshman, moot point...

[rbarthle17]

At the high school level we are seeing a lot of sports (not just football and basketball) getting harder for seniors to land major D1 spots. The trickle down effect is leading to more kids going the mid-major or D2 route and asked to work their way up. We can benefit for a season or two if played correctly.

That's a hell of a tightrope to have to walk. You have to win a lot to entice those players. You win a lot, you lose not only those players, but those coaches as well. Then you have to reload on both sides of the coin, and flip it again. To be the kind of successful you're talking about, that is going to require starting over from the top every 2-3 years. It's impossible to maintain success that way at some point there will be enough misses on one or both sides and then we have a 5-6 season and everyone screams for it to be torn down.

We were successful because we had the time it took to mold those second and third level high school players into something that could win big their 3rd-5th year out of high school. That kind of patience is gone, not just from the players side, but the fan side as well.

[Saint3333]

That is the new reality. Talent evaluation is more important than ever.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Interesting points. Are the good G5’s even trying to recruit the higher rated players anymore? I’m sure they still try but you can almost ask what’s the point? Flip side is that if the higher rated G5’s became in essence the triple A and the top tier high school players came for 2 years then if good enough “moved up” would our fans be happy assuming it translated to 9-3 years?