So Miss discussion

[AppDub]

Not really. DL
Bought a bunch of talent . That doesn’t really get to where used as an excuse anymore

I don’t think we have the money to buy a lot of talent. Something tells me this is the new normal.

You’re unfortunately correct. We don’t have the resources to compete in this world. This thread is proof of it

I see it a different way. In a league of our peers we should have plenty of money to compete. It isn't like we are playing the SEC or ACC each week. We are playing very similar budgeted schools. It isn't all money.

But we don’t have the money to compete. Every season there’s a couple of conference mates who splash out the cash to make a move. We have a very small amount of boosters who can make big “purchases” and because of our location, we don’t have the big business money available to buy players year in and out. It’s the reality that none of us want to accept, but know is true. I think that’s why so many are against it, because we know we really aren’t going to be able to be the dominant program we were for a decade and a half.

I hear you loud and clear and I agree to some extent. However, I would say with the money we and most of our conference peers have, we should be better than a .500 team in the Sunbelt. Among the rest of the G5, there are some who fork it out, but by and large, there aren't many big spenders in the Sunbelt and we are falling to the bottom pretty quickly. I don't think its just money. Unfortunately, I do think it will take a couple of years to build back what was lost over the past several seasons. Hoping Coach DL is up to the challenge.

[Stonewall]

We out gained them by almost a hundred yards. You can make an argument that the three turnovers were 28 points. It’s on the players. Poor execution, decision making , concentration? We were in a position to take control early and literally gave it away. What happened after Swann went down is another conversation.

[AppinVA]

You’re unfortunately correct. We don’t have the resources to compete in this world. This thread is proof of it

Honest question. What do we do then?

I’d rather fold the team than win 4-5 games / season going forward.

This is a completely non-smartass answer. We drop to D3. That’s where “true amateur athletics” still exists, and that’s what some of our fans want. Give em a merit scholarship, and let em play for the love of the game!

Otherwise, we’re going to have a successful season every now and then (meaning we contend for a conference championship), and we make a bowl maybe 50% of the time. That’s life in the cheap seats.

So, you’re saying we can’t compete in the Sun Belt?

Every single year? No, not with our current level of support.

That’s not putting it all on fans. Some of it is environmental. We can’t control it.

Yeah. I don’t agree with that.

[Seattleapp]

We out gained them by almost a hundred yards. You can make an argument that the three turnovers were 28 points. It’s on the players. Poor execution, decision making , concentration? We were in a position to take control early and literally gave it away. What happened after Swann went down is another conversation.

Isn’t that coaching?

[AppDub]

I don’t think we have the money to buy a lot of talent. Something tells me this is the new normal.

You’re unfortunately correct. We don’t have the resources to compete in this world. This thread is proof of it

I see it a different way. In a league of our peers we should have plenty of money to compete. It isn't like we are playing the SEC or ACC each week. We are playing very similar budgeted schools. It isn't all money.

But we don’t have the money to compete. Every season there’s a couple of conference mates who splash out the cash to make a move. We have a very small amount of boosters who can make big “purchases” and because of our location, we don’t have the big business money available to buy players year in and out. It’s the reality that none of us want to accept, but know is true. I think that’s why so many are against it, because we know we really aren’t going to be able to be the dominant program we were for a decade and a half.

Then it’s time to get creative because he have the best fan support in the conference. Figure out a way to monetize it.

And no I don’t have any ideas. I am not an athletics director.

We have the best fan engagement for now. Apathy will build in quickly I am afraid.

[yosef69]

We out gained them by almost a hundred yards. You can make an argument that the three turnovers were 28 points. It’s on the players. Poor execution, decision making , concentration? We were in a position to take control early and literally gave it away. What happened after Swann went down is another conversation.

Isn’t that coaching?

Dude get a grip. We can go around in circles on this. We all said it was all coaching last year so sure. Some of its coaching.

The difference is this is Loggains first year.

[BeauFoster]

I don’t think we have the money to buy a lot of talent. Something tells me this is the new normal.

You’re unfortunately correct. We don’t have the resources to compete in this world. This thread is proof of it

I see it a different way. In a league of our peers we should have plenty of money to compete. It isn't like we are playing the SEC or ACC each week. We are playing very similar budgeted schools. It isn't all money.

But we don’t have the money to compete. Every season there’s a couple of conference mates who splash out the cash to make a move. We have a very small amount of boosters who can make big “purchases” and because of our location, we don’t have the big business money available to buy players year in and out. It’s the reality that none of us want to accept, but know is true. I think that’s why so many are against it, because we know we really aren’t going to be able to be the dominant program we were for a decade and a half.

I hear you loud and clear and I agree to some extent. However, I would say with the money we and most of our conference peers have, we should be better than a .500 team in the Sunbelt. Among the rest of the G5, there are some who fork it out, but by and large, there aren't many big spenders in the Sunbelt and we are falling to the bottom pretty quickly. I don't think its just money. Unfortunately, I do think it will take a couple of years to build back what was lost over the past several seasons. Hoping Coach DL is up to the challenge.

The problem is, success this year doesn’t mean squat when trying to recruit for next year (as it once did). In today’s world, a big part is “how much can you pay?” That’s our new world, and it’s capitalism 101. You’ll get some true believers, but most people will drop you for an extra XX dollars. The business world has been that way for decades. The courts have allowed college athletics to align to that model. If you don’t like it, blame the judges who passed down the ruling.

[BeauFoster]

Honest question. What do we do then?

I’d rather fold the team than win 4-5 games / season going forward.

This is a completely non-smartass answer. We drop to D3. That’s where “true amateur athletics” still exists, and that’s what some of our fans want. Give em a merit scholarship, and let em play for the love of the game!

Otherwise, we’re going to have a successful season every now and then (meaning we contend for a conference championship), and we make a bowl maybe 50% of the time. That’s life in the cheap seats.

So, you’re saying we can’t compete in the Sun Belt?

Every single year? No, not with our current level of support.

That’s not putting it all on fans. Some of it is environmental. We can’t control it.

Yeah. I don’t agree with that.

That’s cool, you don’t have to. Opinions are like assholes, we all have em.

I’ll say that evidence over the last couple of years is in my favor, though. I hope I’m wrong.

[BallantyneApp]

We need to get into a higher paying tv conference. Sun belt is still very low paying and we bring eyeballs and brand recognition.

If we got the $7MM/year that ecu does it would go a long way

[AppinVA]

This is a completely non-smartass answer. We drop to D3. That’s where “true amateur athletics” still exists, and that’s what some of our fans want. Give em a merit scholarship, and let em play for the love of the game!

Otherwise, we’re going to have a successful season every now and then (meaning we contend for a conference championship), and we make a bowl maybe 50% of the time. That’s life in the cheap seats.

So, you’re saying we can’t compete in the Sun Belt?

Every single year? No, not with our current level of support.

That’s not putting it all on fans. Some of it is environmental. We can’t control it.

Yeah. I don’t agree with that.

That’s cool, you don’t have to. Opinions are like assholes, we all have em.

I’ll say that evidence over the last couple of years is in my favor, though. I hope I’m wrong.

I know. I’m just not going to argue it. And I agree. I do hope you are wrong on this.

[BeauFoster]

I’m baffled by you guys who simply throw out the blanket excuse of us not paying enough money. I’ve got a news flash for you. For an incredibly huge percentage of fans it’s not that important. So the sure fire way to get us to what, 9-3 and the Camden Bowl is to magically uncover $20m more in stupid money? I’ll say this again, look at the AP Top 25 Monday and unless USF somehow gets a few votes it’s all going to be power schools. Please point out the great G5 who has big money being spent. Reality is quickly sinking in guys.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here

My point was to try to encompass the complete delusional comments being batted around along with general unrealistic expectations as it pertains to money and the ridiculous notion that if some huge pot of money shows up we will entice top players to come to Boone. I’d love to see an actual descriptive analysis and not generalized statements. The top talent also wants to play in the biggest stadiums on national television and also on Sundays next year. Don’t turn the ball over and don’t commit penalties and we are 3-0.

One thing hasn’t changed about football-the game is won in the trenches. Good linemen are getting paid more than any position, other than QB. We’ve missed out on several over the last few years because we either couldn’t, or wouldn’t, pay. Watch the second half from tonight and tell me our line play was up to snuff. Watch it for the last 4 years, even.

Does coaching matter? Hell yes it does! But the greatest line coach in the history of the world can’t make C grade players into All Americans. At some point, natural talent and aptitude will win out.

[AppOrange]

The big upsets are a thing of the past, reality, we cannot develop players like we did for decades, if they show promise they are gone. However, we 100% can compete in the sunbelt and G5 with our resources and brand. I support coach, they are putting our players in a position to win, TOS and dropped passes have destroyed the last 2 games. Bowl and conf champ game is the ultimate goal going forward . . . Which has always been the reality. I’m giving coach a few years to develop a team that doesn’t give up and can take care of the ball. If you’re looking for big huge P4 upsets, you may want to find another way to spend your Saturdays. Tonight sucked, find players who can execute the basics at the G5 level .

[Pikapp79]

We need to get into a higher paying tv conference. Sun belt is still very low paying and we bring eyeballs and brand recognition.

If we got the $7MM/year that ecu does it would go a long way

Poor performance and location working against higher paying conference affiliation.

[AppDub]

You’re unfortunately correct. We don’t have the resources to compete in this world. This thread is proof of it

I see it a different way. In a league of our peers we should have plenty of money to compete. It isn't like we are playing the SEC or ACC each week. We are playing very similar budgeted schools. It isn't all money.

But we don’t have the money to compete. Every season there’s a couple of conference mates who splash out the cash to make a move. We have a very small amount of boosters who can make big “purchases” and because of our location, we don’t have the big business money available to buy players year in and out. It’s the reality that none of us want to accept, but know is true. I think that’s why so many are against it, because we know we really aren’t going to be able to be the dominant program we were for a decade and a half.

I hear you loud and clear and I agree to some extent. However, I would say with the money we and most of our conference peers have, we should be better than a .500 team in the Sunbelt. Among the rest of the G5, there are some who fork it out, but by and large, there aren't many big spenders in the Sunbelt and we are falling to the bottom pretty quickly. I don't think its just money. Unfortunately, I do think it will take a couple of years to build back what was lost over the past several seasons. Hoping Coach DL is up to the challenge.

The problem is, success this year doesn’t mean squat when trying to recruit for next year (as it once did). In today’s world, a big part is “how much can you pay?” That’s our new world, and it’s capitalism 101. You’ll get some true believers, but most people will drop you for an extra XX dollars. The business world has been that way for decades. The courts have allowed college athletics to align to that model. If you don’t like it, blame the judges who passed down the ruling.

Easy there big guy, you have no clue where I stand on the judges who passed the NIL world or capitalism as a whole for that matter. My point is simply that judged against our true peers, the Sunbelt, whose NIL budgets do not far exceed or in some cases exceed ours at all, we should not be a middle to bottom dwelling team in this conference. I'm not putting blame anywhere. Everything it isn't personal.

[BeauFoster]

I see it a different way. In a league of our peers we should have plenty of money to compete. It isn't like we are playing the SEC or ACC each week. We are playing very similar budgeted schools. It isn't all money.

But we don’t have the money to compete. Every season there’s a couple of conference mates who splash out the cash to make a move. We have a very small amount of boosters who can make big “purchases” and because of our location, we don’t have the big business money available to buy players year in and out. It’s the reality that none of us want to accept, but know is true. I think that’s why so many are against it, because we know we really aren’t going to be able to be the dominant program we were for a decade and a half.

I hear you loud and clear and I agree to some extent. However, I would say with the money we and most of our conference peers have, we should be better than a .500 team in the Sunbelt. Among the rest of the G5, there are some who fork it out, but by and large, there aren't many big spenders in the Sunbelt and we are falling to the bottom pretty quickly. I don't think its just money. Unfortunately, I do think it will take a couple of years to build back what was lost over the past several seasons. Hoping Coach DL is up to the challenge.

The problem is, success this year doesn’t mean squat when trying to recruit for next year (as it once did). In today’s world, a big part is “how much can you pay?” That’s our new world, and it’s capitalism 101. You’ll get some true believers, but most people will drop you for an extra XX dollars. The business world has been that way for decades. The courts have allowed college athletics to align to that model. If you don’t like it, blame the judges who passed down the ruling.

Easy there big guy, you have no clue where I stand on the judges who passed the NIL world or capitalism as a whole for that matter. My point is simply that judged against our true peers, the Sunbelt, whose NIL budgets do not far exceed or in some cases exceed ours at all, we should not be a middle to bottom dwelling team in this conference. I'm not putting blame anywhere. Everything it isn't personal.

My “if you don’t like it” was less to you specifically and more in general. And definitely nothing personal, I quit letting App football impact my overall mood a long time ago. I’m not out there playing, and whatever they do on the field ultimately has no impact on my life whatsoever. It’s entertainment to me, and I’m willing to pay (to an extent) to be entertained.

[falcoapp]

Can someone share the SBC NIL pool for football? Are we really last?

[BeauFoster]

Can someone share the SBC NIL pool for football? Are we really last?

It’s not really subject to public accounting, so no one really knows. We have anecdotal evidence that some players chose other schools over App, with feedback that the offer was better elsewhere.

[AppDub]

But we don’t have the money to compete. Every season there’s a couple of conference mates who splash out the cash to make a move. We have a very small amount of boosters who can make big “purchases” and because of our location, we don’t have the big business money available to buy players year in and out. It’s the reality that none of us want to accept, but know is true. I think that’s why so many are against it, because we know we really aren’t going to be able to be the dominant program we were for a decade and a half.

I hear you loud and clear and I agree to some extent. However, I would say with the money we and most of our conference peers have, we should be better than a .500 team in the Sunbelt. Among the rest of the G5, there are some who fork it out, but by and large, there aren't many big spenders in the Sunbelt and we are falling to the bottom pretty quickly. I don't think its just money. Unfortunately, I do think it will take a couple of years to build back what was lost over the past several seasons. Hoping Coach DL is up to the challenge.

The problem is, success this year doesn’t mean squat when trying to recruit for next year (as it once did). In today’s world, a big part is “how much can you pay?” That’s our new world, and it’s capitalism 101. You’ll get some true believers, but most people will drop you for an extra XX dollars. The business world has been that way for decades. The courts have allowed college athletics to align to that model. If you don’t like it, blame the judges who passed down the ruling.

Easy there big guy, you have no clue where I stand on the judges who passed the NIL world or capitalism as a whole for that matter. My point is simply that judged against our true peers, the Sunbelt, whose NIL budgets do not far exceed or in some cases exceed ours at all, we should not be a middle to bottom dwelling team in this conference. I'm not putting blame anywhere. Everything it isn't personal.

My “if you don’t like it” was less to you specifically and more in general. And definitely nothing personal, I quit letting App football impact my overall mood a long time ago. I’m not out there playing, and whatever they do on the field ultimately has no impact on my life whatsoever. It’s entertainment to me, and I’m willing to pay (to an extent) to be entertained.

I can appreciate that. Thank you for clarifying.

[Seattleapp]

We out gained them by almost a hundred yards. You can make an argument that the three turnovers were 28 points. It’s on the players. Poor execution, decision making , concentration? We were in a position to take control early and literally gave it away. What happened after Swann went down is another conversation.

Isn’t that coaching?

Dude get a grip. We can go around in circles on this. We all said it was all coaching last year so sure. Some of its coaching.

The difference is this is Loggains first year.

Again nothing personal but I didn’t know we got rid of Clark to break a dude in. I actually agree with the premise but I thought app
Didn’t settle for Mediocrity

[BambooRdApp]

We out gained them by almost a hundred yards. You can make an argument that the three turnovers were 28 points. It’s on the players. Poor execution, decision making , concentration? We were in a position to take control early and literally gave it away. What happened after Swann went down is another conversation.

Isn’t that coaching?

Dude get a grip. We can go around in circles on this. We all said it was all coaching last year so sure. Some of its coaching.

The difference is this is Loggains first year.

Again nothing personal but I didn’t know we got rid of Clark to break a dude in. I actually agree with the premise but I thought app
Didn’t settle for Mediocrity

Good grief dude. We out gained So.Miss by almost 100 yards. All 3 ints were in the red zone (so took scores off table for us)..The 2nd one (returned for a TD) was a weird play off the turf.
Yes, 5 has got to take care of the ball better, however, we basically dominated the 1st half except the scoreboard...which is key...I get it...
Once 11 came into the game, So. Miss. knew what we had...a true freshman at QB. They had 7 or 8 guys in the box... pressuring a QB that probably had zero reps with the first team offense during the week