So Miss discussion

[Seattleapp]

We out gained them by almost a hundred yards. You can make an argument that the three turnovers were 28 points. It’s on the players. Poor execution, decision making , concentration? We were in a position to take control early and literally gave it away. What happened after Swann went down is another conversation.

Isn’t that coaching?

Dude get a grip. We can go around in circles on this. We all said it was all coaching last year so sure. Some of its coaching.

The difference is this is Loggains first year.

Again nothing personal but I didn’t know we got rid of Clark to break a dude in. I actually agree with the premise but I thought app
Didn’t settle for Mediocrity

Good grief dude. We out gained So.Miss by almost 100 yards. All 3 ints were in the red zone (so took scores off table for us)..The 2nd one (returned for a TD) was a weird play off the turf.
Yes, 5 has got to take care of the ball better, however, we basically dominated the 1st half except the scoreboard...which is key...I get it...
Once 11 came into the game, So. Miss. knew what we had...a true freshman at QB. They had 7 or 8 guys in the box... pressuring a QB that probably had zero reps with the first team offense during the week

Again. Thats two weeks in a row we were the “better” team but looked bad. I am behind App forever. But this is problematic. And it’s coaching 100%

[BambooRdApp]

Isn’t that coaching?

Dude get a grip. We can go around in circles on this. We all said it was all coaching last year so sure. Some of its coaching.

The difference is this is Loggains first year.

Again nothing personal but I didn’t know we got rid of Clark to break a dude in. I actually agree with the premise but I thought app
Didn’t settle for Mediocrity

Good grief dude. We out gained So.Miss by almost 100 yards. All 3 ints were in the red zone (so took scores off table for us)..The 2nd one (returned for a TD) was a weird play off the turf.
Yes, 5 has got to take care of the ball better, however, we basically dominated the 1st half except the scoreboard...which is key...I get it...
Once 11 came into the game, So. Miss. knew what we had...a true freshman at QB. They had 7 or 8 guys in the box... pressuring a QB that probably had zero reps with the first team offense during the week

Again. Thats two weeks in a row we were the “better” team but looked bad. I am behind App forever. But this is problematic. And it’s coaching 100%

Okay. Sure it is

[Seattleapp]

Dude get a grip. We can go around in circles on this. We all said it was all coaching last year so sure. Some of its coaching.

The difference is this is Loggains first year.

Again nothing personal but I didn’t know we got rid of Clark to break a dude in. I actually agree with the premise but I thought app
Didn’t settle for Mediocrity

Good grief dude. We out gained So.Miss by almost 100 yards. All 3 ints were in the red zone (so took scores off table for us)..The 2nd one (returned for a TD) was a weird play off the turf.
Yes, 5 has got to take care of the ball better, however, we basically dominated the 1st half except the scoreboard...which is key...I get it...
Once 11 came into the game, So. Miss. knew what we had...a true freshman at QB. They had 7 or 8 guys in the box... pressuring a QB that probably had zero reps with the first team offense during the week

Again. Thats two weeks in a row we were the “better” team but looked bad. I am behind App forever. But this is problematic. And it’s coaching 100%

Okay. Sure it is

What else is it?

[ASUFan4863]

Again nothing personal but I didn’t know we got rid of Clark to break a dude in. I actually agree with the premise but I thought app
Didn’t settle for Mediocrity

Good grief dude. We out gained So.Miss by almost 100 yards. All 3 ints were in the red zone (so took scores off table for us)..The 2nd one (returned for a TD) was a weird play off the turf.
Yes, 5 has got to take care of the ball better, however, we basically dominated the 1st half except the scoreboard...which is key...I get it...
Once 11 came into the game, So. Miss. knew what we had...a true freshman at QB. They had 7 or 8 guys in the box... pressuring a QB that probably had zero reps with the first team offense during the week

Again. Thats two weeks in a row we were the “better” team but looked bad. I am behind App forever. But this is problematic. And it’s coaching 100%

Okay. Sure it is

What else is it?

How bout just piss poor execution? The center dribbles the snap to Swann and then Swann just throws an ill advised pass to the defender. Neither one of those guys are coached to do that.

Swann makes the right read to Dubinon but makes a bad throw and the ball bounces right into the hands of a defender to go the other way.

Swann is being pressured (the real story of the night if you ask me) and floats a ball into double coverage for a pick.

None of those plays are because of coaching. It is a mixture of 85% bad execution and 15% bad luck.

[Seattleapp]

Good grief dude. We out gained So.Miss by almost 100 yards. All 3 ints were in the red zone (so took scores off table for us)..The 2nd one (returned for a TD) was a weird play off the turf.
Yes, 5 has got to take care of the ball better, however, we basically dominated the 1st half except the scoreboard...which is key...I get it...
Once 11 came into the game, So. Miss. knew what we had...a true freshman at QB. They had 7 or 8 guys in the box... pressuring a QB that probably had zero reps with the first team offense during the week

Again. Thats two weeks in a row we were the “better” team but looked bad. I am behind App forever. But this is problematic. And it’s coaching 100%

Okay. Sure it is

What else is it?

How bout just piss poor execution? The center dribbles the snap to Swann and then Swann just throws an ill advised pass to the defender. Neither one of those guys are coached to do that.

Swann makes the right read to Dubinon but makes a bad throw and the ball bounces right into the hands of a defender to go the other way.

Swann is being pressured (the real story of the night if you ask me) and floats a ball into double coverage for a pick.

None of those plays are because of coaching. It is a mixture of 85% bad execution and 15% bad luck.

Completely fair. Don’t disagree at all. Putting a true fresh in over his head when you may win with an experienced 5th year not acceptable. App needs to win now. This isn’t a minor league baseball team

[ASUFan4863]

Again. Thats two weeks in a row we were the “better” team but looked bad. I am behind App forever. But this is problematic. And it’s coaching 100%

Okay. Sure it is

What else is it?

How bout just piss poor execution? The center dribbles the snap to Swann and then Swann just throws an ill advised pass to the defender. Neither one of those guys are coached to do that.

Swann makes the right read to Dubinon but makes a bad throw and the ball bounces right into the hands of a defender to go the other way.

Swann is being pressured (the real story of the night if you ask me) and floats a ball into double coverage for a pick.

None of those plays are because of coaching. It is a mixture of 85% bad execution and 15% bad luck.

Completely fair. Don’t disagree at all. Putting a true fresh in over his head when you may win with an experienced 5th year not acceptable. App needs to win now. This isn’t a minor league baseball team

All summer the battle has been between Swann, Kohl and Gillon. Kohl was hurt so it just makes sense to go to Gillon if you actually believe in him as they do. Whether or not he should have pulled earlier is a valid question.

[Apptiger]

Would’ve liked to see what Wiles could’ve done a little sooner, but I’m sure he’s not playing the first string defense.

This, he actually looked better than the other QBs to me. Granted it was late and probably not against their first team but his timing and accuracy seemed better.
Either way, they were much faster than us, played harder than us and wanted it more than us.

We have to stop beating ourselves.

[AppState03]

I’m not one that is too keen on excuses. The bottom line is that App State football was special at one time. Since 2019, there have been several misfires and only diminishing moments of the magic that App State football once embodied. It’s just sad to watch.

I am not saying the time is now, but if things don’t look better by the end of the season, then I believe that someone needs to call for a vote of non-confidence in the AD, Doug Gillin. He is the top dog and the only puzzle piece in the declining years that has not been switched out. The buck starts and stops with him.

Anyway, these are my thoughts. They are unsolicited but I wanted to throw in my two cents. I knew this season was going to be rough but I hoped I could see something better for the future. Game 2, against Lindenwood, was embarrassing even with a win. I had never heard of that school before and they came into the Rock and made it WAY TOO Close for comfort. The game today against Southern Miss was another embarrassment, but we lost this one. I don’t care about excuses. We outgained them by 100 yds, whatever. The only thing that matters is the number of points on the scoreboard and if a W or L goes into the win/loss column.

[BambooRdApp]

Again nothing personal but I didn’t know we got rid of Clark to break a dude in. I actually agree with the premise but I thought app
Didn’t settle for Mediocrity

Good grief dude. We out gained So.Miss by almost 100 yards. All 3 ints were in the red zone (so took scores off table for us)..The 2nd one (returned for a TD) was a weird play off the turf.
Yes, 5 has got to take care of the ball better, however, we basically dominated the 1st half except the scoreboard...which is key...I get it...
Once 11 came into the game, So. Miss. knew what we had...a true freshman at QB. They had 7 or 8 guys in the box... pressuring a QB that probably had zero reps with the first team offense during the week

Again. Thats two weeks in a row we were the “better” team but looked bad. I am behind App forever. But this is problematic. And it’s coaching 100%

Okay. Sure it is

What else is it?

A coach can only do so much. See also analogy below. Couldn't resist give the poor one used in the other thread and still salty about last night. . apologize for long thread.
Reminder, App lost by 16
Drive 1 with the INT. The team move down the field to the red zone..and yes, our coach calls the plays. On first int. Poor snap, both 5 and 7 are trying to get possession. 5 gets possession and makes an ill advised throw. If you are going to make that throw, has to be to where WR is the only one that has the chance. Basically, live for another day. Takes 7 .or, at a minimum 3 off the board. Not sure a coach impacts that heat of the decision.

Drive INT 2. Great play call by, you know, the coach. Poor pass by QB that required 7 to dive then you have the quirky int for a TD. That is 10 or 14 point change on scoreboard

Drive INT 3. Another good drive and play calls to get to red zone. Poor read decision by QB. With pressure, either throw it away or go to other options. Easy to say than done with the pressure. Another 7 or 3 point turnaround. With all other things remaining constant in the game ...and.
You only give us FGs and no TDa, that is 9 plus 7 (taking the INT TD..equates to 16... amount of the loss. I say we get a TD on drive 2 above for the win. Coaching can only do so much.

The decent to good QBs as compared to really good to great QBs is how they handle the mental pressure within the game...and it ramps up in the RedZone even more given short field as you want to score TDs versus FG.
Using the U.S. Open golf tournament as an analogy...and Tiger Woods and Colin Montgomerie as examples. On the driving range, you would think they are very similar golfers. Hitting all their clubs at the right yardage. They are both world class on the driving range.
For a decent to good QB, from their own Endzone to the RedZone, a QB can look on the high side of good to pretty good. This is like being on the driving range

However, things tighten up in between the ropes on the back nine on Sunday. This is why Monty has zero majors and Tiger has a plethora.
In the RedZone (comparable to the back nine on Sunday), this is where QBs move from decent/good to great. One has to keep composure when the pressure gets ratcheted to the max.
This may not be the only reason. However, I believe this is why the QB competition went down to the wire.. making the right critical decisions when they matter.

On a different post on QB that entered the game when 5 injured. You go with the guy that is outperforming in practice. The true freshman QB probably has zero reps during the week. In addition, So. Miss was playing more of a prevent D with less than 5 minutes left in the game.

[ShagNC]

People are talking about coaching last night but I agree that it’s more a combination of execution and bad luck. We can’t turn it over 3 times in the red zone and expect to win.

Looking at the crowd last night it’s hard to believe that So Miss is outspending us in NIL. Is this really the case? I’d love to see where we fall in comparison to our conference mates.

[BambooRdApp]

People are talking about coaching last night but I agree that it’s more a combination of execution and bad luck. We can’t turn it over 3 times in the red zone and expect to win.

Looking at the crowd last night it’s hard to believe that So Miss is outspending us in NIL. Is this really the case? I’d love to see where we fall in comparison to our conference mates.

First conference game and stadium barely half full. Makes me appreciate the real Rock every time I go to an SBC away game stadium.

[Rekdiver]

I’ve never seen a coach responsible for turnovers. 100% execution.

[appstate24]

My “slept on it” reflection…

We have the talent and potential to compete at the top of the Sun Belt. ODU appears to be the class of the league right now, although VT is horrific and has been for a few years now.

It’s next to impossible to win a game with that many turnovers, ESPECIALLY 3 times in the end zone that directly takes points off the board. Couple that with that 99 yard pick six. That would demoralize any team. The offense looked good in the 1st half minus those turnovers, they couldn’t really stop up. Unfortunately after the 3rd pick, it was hard for us to get off the mat. Once we had to go with the freshman our offense was dead on the water. Defense was also deflated. Started tackling like 2024.

It’s very concerning that we continue to beat ourselves. You can’t convince me that USM is a top tier team. Our turnovers have been worse than normal simply because of where they all seem to happen.

What concerns me most is that the same issues (turnovers, dropped passes, penalties) continue to happen week after week. Would feel a lot better if we were cleaning these issues up week to week.

IMO, this bye week comes at the perfect time. We HAVE to get things cleaned up, and get folks healthy ASAP. It doesn’t help that our next chance to prove ourselves happens to be AT Boise. Really need to try and go AT LEAST 1-1 over the next 2.

We have the potential to be a good team and have a good season. Can we clean things up? Can we look internally and realize our potential? Time will tell. I’ll be there rooting as hard as I can. Shock the G5 world in 2 weeks and we all feel a whole lot better.

I still believe. GO APPS!!

[Yosef1986]

My take - the 3 interceptions either in or near the end zone - more or less sent the game in another direction. You can only ask so much of the defense. The question - what did the QB see. The one was a fluke bobble up in the air. The other 2 interceptions they're thrown into heavy coverage. Swann should have taken a sack. I am on the side of execution being the issue. Turnovers and penalties.Need to get this fixed or this could be a long season.

[Saint3333]

I disagree that we have the talent to compete in the SBC this year. If we make a bowl game I will be surprised. The oline is average and no depth, secondary is below average, never seen so many drops from WRs in any three game stretch, and this is the weakest QB we’ve had since joining the FBS.

We can beat CCU, GA St,, and maybe Marshall.

[Pikapp79]

When your roster is a revolving door expect poor execution. Its not like the good old days when guys played with each other enough to know what the other was doing. Now that’s not stopping fumbles but it does stop some interceptions and it must certainly helps every other aspect of the game. Either way it’s just another game.

[WASU 93]

Here’s my sleep on it take:

First, I’m going to give Huff some credit. He called six defensive time outs yesterday, using them like a basketball coach to break our momentum and reset his defense. His team was prepared and the players buy in to his system.

Second, from a talent level that game was winnable. We left 24 (31 with the pick 6) points on the table last night.

At the point of the onside kick (great call/execution) that game was still there for the taking.

But, the freshman QB was under attack and had happy feet/was throwing off his back foot. The game was too fast for him and once he was sacked a couple of times, he didn’t move in the pocket/go through his progressions/tended to tuck it and run immediately. We didn’t establish a running game to make his life easier.

Wiles may not have made it happen, but his poise may have given us a chance.

We also are very undisciplined (sound familiar) with penalties.

[MrCraig]

The lack of memory and football knowledge in this thread is impressive.
1. That wasn’t the Southern Miss teams of the past last night. That was quite literally the Marshall team- coach, players, and all- that won the SBC and beat App last year. They are a good team.

2. First year head coaches almost always have a tough first year. When you have to rebuild a program, that’s what happens. Here’s some first year records from some coaches you might know:
Kirby Smart- UGA- 8-4
Nick Saban- Bama- 7-6 (also 8-4 his first year at LSU)
Brian Kelly- Notre Dame- 8-5 first two years
Jim Harbaugh- Stanford- 4-8
Scott Satterfield- App- 7-5

Satterfield struggled mightily at first, and many of yall called for his firing, but he was given some slack and returned App to excellence quickly.
I have no idea if DL is the right guy because you simply can’t make that judgement based on 3 games. Last night sucked, but to say App has completely lost its way, is wandering the wilderness, and will never compete again at the D1 level… well that’s just plain stupid.

[AppDub]

People are talking about coaching last night but I agree that it’s more a combination of execution and bad luck. We can’t turn it over 3 times in the red zone and expect to win.

Looking at the crowd last night it’s hard to believe that So Miss is outspending us in NIL. Is this really the case? I’d love to see where we fall in comparison to our conference mates.

First conference game and stadium barely half full. Makes me appreciate the real Rock every time I go to an SBC away game stadium.

I unfortunately fear we are becoming the Chicago Cubs. Casual fans showing up for the experience and mystique of Wrigley field, but not rabid enough to expect winning at all times. We had that mindset at one point. Now it seems many are okay with winning the attendance battle instead of winning every ball game. This isn't directed at you personally. Your post just made me think of it.

[DenverOfTheEast]

So Miss Charles Huff is a really nice good coach! Marshall did the right thing and fire that AD for letting him leave for another school in the SBC. He has flipped the culture down in Hattiesburg.

The Charlotte win was Fool's Gold, they are terrible, and Appy fans and players it seems got full of themselves. Lindenwood staggered the Moutaineers and So Miss may have just knocked them out for 2025.

Coastal is a sure win, but the rest are 50/50 or no chance at winning at all. 5 wins max is my prediction for 2025. Billy Napier maybe available soon! Taylor Lamb needs to be the next coach once CDL leaves for the NFL or SEC or HS.

Gillin needs to be shown the door along with Reeder and a few others - these are like the end of the Cobb days. It needs a major remodel. One former HC in the department recently told me, 'App has a math problem in terms of finances'.