ODU Discussion

[BambooRdApp]

It is easy to play. Monday morning QB.
Based upon the past history, the QB would have at least 2 INTs in each of the last two weeks.
Glad 5 was productive today when in the game.. hopefully that sets up for a few good weeks coming up.. However, a fourth qtr TD does not a whole game make.

Kohl went 19-37 for 138 yards. That’s 3.7 yards a pass. He also threw a pick in the endzone and had the softest qb sneak ever. I’ve been critical of Swann’s gunslinging but he came in an outgained Kohl in basically 1/2 of the 4th quarter by making assertive throws. I was behind Kohl getting playing time as everyone loves the back up quarterback, but all things being equal and if Swann isn’t injured I think you’d agree he brings much more of a dynamic element to the offense.

I am not into..what could have been or would have been. Fact is, we lost to Beach Chickens and we lost to ODU. Spouting that 5 would have led us victory has zero factual evidence that it would happen. We would have won the usm game if not for the INTs of which AJ was the QB. . For whatever reason, DLo decided not to go down field in 1st half or maybe once , if at at all. Kohl actually throws a nice long ball. Better than AJ IMHO. AJ missed one or two down field that required touch before the pass to 1 for the TD. Although I do not know for fact, I believe DLo did what he did in first half by making the short passes an extension of running game as he had 3 2nd stringers playing OL. I think this philosophy is why he did not rush 7 as often as he did not think OL would be effective..with that said, it seemed we ran it decently when 7 did run..so perplexing to me. Running Kohl on 4th down and 1 when he does not embrace contact is a mystery decision to me. I do not care if he is 6 ft 7. On that run, he curled up and made himself 5 ft 7.
AJ is more decisive and that decisiveness has led to 6 INTs to match 6 TDs. He is better working the middle of the field in the 10 to 15 yard range. However, he has a tendency to fixate on his receiver which has led to the INTs.
At this point, I am not sure who gives us the best chance to win TBH. I am not going to make a decision based upon a good 4th Q when the D is in a semi prevent D.
I will let the coach decide who puts the team in the best place to win.

[Saint3333]

Swann has more throws in his quiver than Kohl. If he makes better decisions under pressure he gives us the best chance to win.

If we had a stronger defense and oline though Kohl would be the better game manager, he can make must of the throws and is the better runner.

We are getting to the point where we may need to ride the QB that has more upside, which is Swann.

Please take care of the ball in the red zone.

[MrCraig]

About as expected unfortunately.

I actually thought a little better than expected! Vegas had App as 2 TD underdogs, and they only lost by 3. That’s a tiny silver lining!

[AppinVA]

About as expected unfortunately.

I actually thought a little better than expected! Vegas had App as 2 TD underdogs, and they only lost by 3. That’s a tiny silver lining!

Good teams win. Great teams cover.

[yosef69]

About as expected unfortunately.

I actually thought a little better than expected! Vegas had App as 2 TD underdogs, and they only lost by 3. That’s a tiny silver lining!

Good teams win. Great teams cover.

I like you. Silver linings

[Seattleapp]

I am not into..what could have been or would have been. Fact is, we lost to Beach Chickens and we lost to ODU. Spouting that 5 would have led us victory has zero factual evidence that it would happen. We would have won the usm game if not for the INTs of which AJ was the QB. . For whatever reason, DLo decided not to go down field in 1st half or maybe once , if at at all. Kohl actually throws a nice long ball. Better than AJ IMHO. AJ missed one or two down field that required touch before the pass to 1 for the TD. Although I do not know for fact, I believe DLo did what he did in first half by making the short passes an extension of running game as he had 3 2nd stringers playing OL. I think this philosophy is why he did not rush 7 as often as he did not think OL would be effective..with that said, it seemed we ran it decently when 7 did run..so perplexing to me. Running Kohl on 4th down and 1 when he does not embrace contact is a mystery decision to me. I do not care if he is 6 ft 7. On that run, he curled up and made himself 5 ft 7.
AJ is more decisive and that decisiveness has led to 6 INTs to match 6 TDs. He is better working the middle of the field in the 10 to 15 yard range. However, he has a tendency to fixate on his receiver which has led to the INTs.
At this point, I am not sure who gives us the best chance to win TBH. I am not going to make a decision based upon a good 4th Q when the D is in a semi prevent D.
I will let the coach decide who puts the team in the best place to win.

I see your position, but to simply say coach knows best kinda lets DLO completely off the hook. Kohl makes those pretty in the basket type throws. Made one today on today, but Plays too tentative imo. I also don’t see this mobility everyone says he has. I agree Swann is a wildcard and has made terrible decisions himself but I still see a stark difference in arm strength. I don’t know what DLO will do but if he wants to salvage this season I hope he figures it out

[BambooRdApp]

I am not into..what could have been or would have been. Fact is, we lost to Beach Chickens and we lost to ODU. Spouting that 5 would have led us victory has zero factual evidence that it would happen. We would have won the usm game if not for the INTs of which AJ was the QB. . For whatever reason, DLo decided not to go down field in 1st half or maybe once , if at at all. Kohl actually throws a nice long ball. Better than AJ IMHO. AJ missed one or two down field that required touch before the pass to 1 for the TD. Although I do not know for fact, I believe DLo did what he did in first half by making the short passes an extension of running game as he had 3 2nd stringers playing OL. I think this philosophy is why he did not rush 7 as often as he did not think OL would be effective..with that said, it seemed we ran it decently when 7 did run..so perplexing to me. Running Kohl on 4th down and 1 when he does not embrace contact is a mystery decision to me. I do not care if he is 6 ft 7. On that run, he curled up and made himself 5 ft 7.
AJ is more decisive and that decisiveness has led to 6 INTs to match 6 TDs. He is better working the middle of the field in the 10 to 15 yard range. However, he has a tendency to fixate on his receiver which has led to the INTs.
At this point, I am not sure who gives us the best chance to win TBH. I am not going to make a decision based upon a good 4th Q when the D is in a semi prevent D.
I will let the coach decide who puts the team in the best place to win.

I see your position, but to simply say coach knows best kinda lets DLO completely off the hook. Kohl makes those pretty in the basket type throws. Made one today on today, but Plays too tentative imo. I also don’t see this mobility everyone says he has. I agree Swann is a wildcard and has made terrible decisions himself but I still see a stark difference in arm strength. I don’t know what DLO will do but if he wants to salvage this season I hope he figures it out

No, not letting DLo off the hook. It is making him accountable. He is the the head coach and with the players everyday.
It sure isn't a bunch of couch potatoes posting on a social media board that know best..that is for damn sure

[spacemonkey]

This is not sarcasm....at this point i would rotate the two. If you score you get to play the next set of downs...if you are stopped quarterback change. They both seem pretty even to me....it is more about dropped passes and no defensive line push than the quarterback situation. Oh yeah, and missed tackles. The quarterback is the least of our problems.

PS...i would have been pissed if i saw my quarterback not pick up that first down because he didnt want to get hit.

[ASUTodd]

This is not sarcasm....at this point i would rotate the two. If you score you get to play the next set of downs...if you are stopped quarterback change. They both seem pretty even to me....it is more about dropped passes and no defensive line push than the quarterback situation. Oh yeah, and missed tackles. The quarterback is the least of our problems.

PS...i would have been pissed if i saw my quarterback not pick up that first down because he didnt want to get hit.

Kohl showed me what he is about on that play missing the first down..... Play Swann and hope the OL backups can get up to speed.

[hapapp]

We seemed to get away from the run earlier the game despite averaging 5 yards a carry.

[Stonewall]

If we don’t bring in a stud o line neither of those guys show me the ability to take us to the top of the league.

[Bootsy]

OK, I’m gonna roll a grenade in here.

I am 100% in favor of what DL is doing to try at App. For my part, I don’t regret the player dismissals; they were painful but necessary. DL is attempting to restore a culture of accountability and equality at App. No one is above the team, and that should resonate with all of us.

That said, I’m not sold on DL serving as both HC and OC. Situational play calling has been questionable at times, and I think it may be too much to ask of DL for him to wear both hats. Please understand: this isn’t a knock on him at all, and we all know why he made that decision. I’m just wondering if it might make sense for him to accept that he needs to be a HC and let someone else run the offense.

[mountaineerman]

Good lord I hope we don’t go ahead with this ridiculous East side build. We have so many other underlying issues to waste money on.

[BambooRdApp]

OK, I’m gonna roll a grenade in here.

I am 100% in favor of what DL is doing to try at App. For my part, I don’t regret the player dismissals; they were painful but necessary. DL is attempting to restore a culture of accountability and equality at App. No one is above the team, and that should resonate with all of us.

That said, I’m not sold on DL serving as both HC and OC. Situational play calling has been questionable at times, and I think it may be too much to ask of DL for him to wear both hats. Please understand: this isn’t a knock on him at all, and we all know why he made that decision. I’m just wondering if it might make sense for him to accept that he needs to be a HC and let someone else run the offense.

Agree 100% on team accountability. On OC, I agree. Especially as your first coaching gig.
He is the coach and game plan is his ultimate decision based upon what he sees or feels during the week. It was pretty evident he did not have confidence in OL with the short passes in lieu trying to establish the run. However, we had some positive runs and he did not seem to stick with it.
4-4...still on track to be bowl eligible. With all the losses of key personnel on O and D from last year and Kanye season ending injury, this is kind of where I thought we would be at this point.

[JTApps1]

I think teams have enough film on Kohl now and they're forcing him into uncomfortable situations. Swann having a healthy Dozier and Mbake on the field could be a game changer for him. Too bad Cummings is likely done for the year.

Edit: Maybe Swann will be more locked in after watching from the sidelines for a few weeks. The bench can be a great motivator.

[JTApps1]

OK, I’m gonna roll a grenade in here.

I am 100% in favor of what DL is doing to try at App. For my part, I don’t regret the player dismissals; they were painful but necessary. DL is attempting to restore a culture of accountability and equality at App. No one is above the team, and that should resonate with all of us.

That said, I’m not sold on DL serving as both HC and OC. Situational play calling has been questionable at times, and I think it may be too much to ask of DL for him to wear both hats. Please understand: this isn’t a knock on him at all, and we all know why he made that decision. I’m just wondering if it might make sense for him to accept that he needs to be a HC and let someone else run the offense.

It took Satterfield several years to get a handle on the dual roles. Hopefully Loggains will continue to improve as well.

[beav910]

What’s the turn of phrase, if you have two quarterbacks you have none

[WASU 93]

OK, I’m gonna roll a grenade in here.

I am 100% in favor of what DL is doing to try at App. For my part, I don’t regret the player dismissals; they were painful but necessary. DL is attempting to restore a culture of accountability and equality at App. No one is above the team, and that should resonate with all of us.

That said, I’m not sold on DL serving as both HC and OC. Situational play calling has been questionable at times, and I think it may be too much to ask of DL for him to wear both hats. Please understand: this isn’t a knock on him at all, and we all know why he made that decision. I’m just wondering if it might make sense for him to accept that he needs to be a HC and let someone else run the offense.

It took Satterfield several years to get a handle on the dual roles. Hopefully Loggains will continue to improve as well.

Maybe he'll improve or maybe it's best to bring in an veteran OC and a dual-threat QB and let DLo focus on the overall team, overall game strategies, working the officials (you can't do that and call plays), etc. We didn't have to go the new head coach/learn on the job route. But, we did, so maybe it's best to optimize our current path.

[Bigdaddyg1]

It’s easy to go back and say what we should have done. How many of us were absolutely stunned that on that 4th and maybe half a yard we didn’t let our 6’7” 240ish QB simply sneak for the first down? I told my son that there was a shot of Kohl one time and I thought he had a look in his eyes that lacked confidence. If he was too dinged up to go 100% on that other short outside run he didn’t need to be playing.

[ASUTodd]

I guess here is where Im at..... I thought we would get smoked by four touchdowns. We lost by 3 to a good ODU team.....at their place....on homecoming. We all want to win but I'm not as upset about this as some are.