Roster/Staff Updates

[Lowcountry App]

Anybody know how much NIL money we have to work with?

[spacemonkey]

I guess I am "old school"... I would like 80% of our $ to the trenches on both sides of the ball

You can put 80% in the trenches and still have a mobile quarterback and an offense that is tough to guess where the ball is going. Covering the receivers coming out of the back field is tough to do. It is tough to find them......especially if they have blocked you a few plays and then slip the block to catch the next play. I am not aiming this at you just putting my two cents out there. I will always believe play action is the only way to have an open receiver. If they dont reapect the run enough to give your receiver the extra step needed for seperation.....well....you will be throwing into a low probability covered receiver.

[AppSt94]

Anybody know how much NIL money we have to work with?

Around $1.3

[AppSt94]

Diversify.

If we allocate 40% to lineman that would be a good start.

Would love to see the current allocation.

Feel like it has to be more given that games are won in the trenches.

It's an 11-man game. You need all 11. Very few teams win without QB's who make good decisions, play-makers who get the extra yard and receivers who make their QB's look good. You also need a defensive line the stuffs the run, can get home without a blitz, LB's who can run sideline to sideline and cover the TE or RB. And, you need DB's who can step up in run support, blanket receivers and make the key interception to turn a game.

We've been fortunate to attract and develop those players during our long run of success.

Sure, in today's game you have to spend money. But, all teams are spending money. Spending 60% on the trenches and neglecting the other aspects isn't going to result in success. And, talent/drive/desire still has to be evaluated. I'm sure LSU spent a bunch of money this year on a team that made a lot of fundamental mistakes against Alabama last night that have plagued our team this year.

And what happens when you spend big $$$ on 8 or 9 players in the trenches and a third of them are injured by the third game.

Maybe, it's a different approach where 50-60 players get a salary, freshman and lower-devision transfers don't get paid the first year (and earn their way from internship into the Salaried positions) and you cycle players that way. You find players who want to be a part of a great organization (if we haven't passed the tipping point)
(And maybe that won't work either)

Unfortunately, we probably have the wrong staff for that, just like we may not have the right staff for a dual-threat QB to thrive with.

Injuries factor in for sure, but that’s always a risk. All teams are spending money but they aren’t spending at the same levels. I was told that ECU spends about $2 and Boise is around $4. It isn’t a level playing field.

[BambooRdApp]

Diversify.

If we allocate 40% to lineman that would be a good start.

Would love to see the current allocation.

Feel like it has to be more given that games are won in the trenches.

It's an 11-man game. You need all 11. Very few teams win without QB's who make good decisions, play-makers who get the extra yard and receivers who make their QB's look good. You also need a defensive line the stuffs the run, can get home without a blitz, LB's who can run sideline to sideline and cover the TE or RB. And, you need DB's who can step up in run support, blanket receivers and make the key interception to turn a game.

We've been fortunate to attract and develop those players during our long run of success.

Sure, in today's game you have to spend money. But, all teams are spending money. Spending 60% on the trenches and neglecting the other aspects isn't going to result in success. And, talent/drive/desire still has to be evaluated. I'm sure LSU spent a bunch of money this year on a team that made a lot of fundamental mistakes against Alabama last night that have plagued our team this year.

And what happens when you spend big $$$ on 8 or 9 players in the trenches and a third of them are injured by the third game.

Maybe, it's a different approach where 50-60 players get a salary, freshman and lower-devision transfers don't get paid the first year (and earn their way from internship into the Salaried positions) and you cycle players that way. You find players who want to be a part of a great organization (if we haven't passed the tipping point)
(And maybe that won't work either)

Unfortunately, we probably have the wrong staff for that, just like we may not have the right staff for a dual-threat QB to thrive with.

Injuries factor in for sure, but that’s always a risk. All teams are spending money but they aren’t spending at the same levels. I was told that ECU spends about $2 and Boise is around $4. It isn’t a level playing field.

Boise spent over $1.0M on Jenty alone last year.
We are all not the same.
To continue to be competitive, we need $2 to $3 million...and what I mean to be competitive.. competing for SBC championships

[Stonewall]

Rev Share and NIL.

[JTApps1]

I think it goes back to the fundamental problem that is the transfer portal. There is no more loyalty or commitment in college football. Everyone knows if things go bad, they can always transfer somewhere else next year. How many of our players (or coaches) even care about the rivalry with GSU? It's pay for play and it's here to stay.

Here’s the Devil’s advocate response to that. NIL and the Transfer Portal exist in Conway and Statesboro. Both of those teams treated the respective games as a rivalry, played chippy and one tried to plant a flag at midfield.

The GaSo fans are not happy with Clay Helton, yet he can get his team off the bus ready to play and fired up.

Just because you are getting paid (and I don’t believe they all are getting paid) doesn’t mean you can’t be passionate about your job

National TV/packed stadium and the sideline wasn’t energized. Watch the other G5 mid week games. Coming off a break, coaching staff should have had the team ready to run through a wall and had some wrinkles in the game plan.

I think you're seeing the difference between an NFL business like mindset and the more emotional/energetic college mindset.

[WASU 93]

I think it goes back to the fundamental problem that is the transfer portal. There is no more loyalty or commitment in college football. Everyone knows if things go bad, they can always transfer somewhere else next year. How many of our players (or coaches) even care about the rivalry with GSU? It's pay for play and it's here to stay.

Here’s the Devil’s advocate response to that. NIL and the Transfer Portal exist in Conway and Statesboro. Both of those teams treated the respective games as a rivalry, played chippy and one tried to plant a flag at midfield.

The GaSo fans are not happy with Clay Helton, yet he can get his team off the bus ready to play and fired up.

Just because you are getting paid (and I don’t believe they all are getting paid) doesn’t mean you can’t be passionate about your job

National TV/packed stadium and the sideline wasn’t energized. Watch the other G5 mid week games. Coming off a break, coaching staff should have had the team ready to run through a wall and had some wrinkles in the game plan.

I think you're seeing the difference between an NFL business like mindset and the more emotional/energetic college mindset.

Is that good?

[scatman77]

I hope we have scouts in Cullowhee today. Both these teams look to have guys that could help us. Thinking about it , one could argue that Barnes and Flowers are two of our best and they were FCS last season.

Players from FCS that actually played bring more to the team that FBS 2s and 3s that didn't play much. The experience and desire to compete trumps the number of stars and where they came from.

[BambooRdApp]

I think 7 and 4 on offense would disagree. Past years, 7s (Brice and Parker)..2 was a great receiver.
You can get talent from anywhere... Just have to a good talent evaluator.

[ASUTodd]

The only real difference between fbs and fcs players is on the defensive and offensive line.

[AppStFan1]

I think 7 and 4 on offense would disagree. Past years, 7s (Brice and Parker)..2 was a great receiver.
You can get talent from anywhere... Just have to a good talent evaluator.

And we did not have that in the past, which is why we needed a change. We don't know yet if Loggains has the right people because it is so early. I am not going to judge us until year 3. I will say that I want to see some real progress next year though.

[AppStFan1]

The only real difference between fbs and fcs players is on the defensive and offensive line.

That is the biggest difference but there are no elite skill players in FCS like there are in FBS. There is nobody like Jordyn Tyson of Arizona State in FCS. I would say the difference between skills players in the G6 and backup P4 compared to FCS is not a big drop off at all though.

[biggie]

I hope we have scouts in Cullowhee today. Both these teams look to have guys that could help us. Thinking about it , one could argue that Barnes and Flowers are two of our best and they were FCS last season.

Players from FCS that actually played bring more to the team that FBS 2s and 3s that didn't play much. The experience and desire to compete trumps the number of stars and where they came from.

It depends on the person. Cummings barely played at UL and may have been our best player.

[Seattleapp]

I think it goes back to the fundamental problem that is the transfer portal. There is no more loyalty or commitment in college football. Everyone knows if things go bad, they can always transfer somewhere else next year. How many of our players (or coaches) even care about the rivalry with GSU? It's pay for play and it's here to stay.

Here’s the Devil’s advocate response to that. NIL and the Transfer Portal exist in Conway and Statesboro. Both of those teams treated the respective games as a rivalry, played chippy and one tried to plant a flag at midfield.

The GaSo fans are not happy with Clay Helton, yet he can get his team off the bus ready to play and fired up.

Just because you are getting paid (and I don’t believe they all are getting paid) doesn’t mean you can’t be passionate about your job

National TV/packed stadium and the sideline wasn’t energized. Watch the other G5 mid week games. Coming off a break, coaching staff should have had the team ready to run through a wall and had some wrinkles in the game plan.

DLO has a vision for his team. It may work or it may not, but I think it’s pretty clear by now he doesn’t really care about the history of App and its rivalries and traditions. And why would he? He’s a sec guy and an nfl guy.

What makes you say that?

It took southern 4 plays to score. There was zero enthusiasm on the sidelines. Looked like the business as usual approach which is fine when you are winning. Got rid of the kickoff pointing which sounds silly but it’s been done for decades. Again if DLO is successful Im completely fine with saying his approach works. But we look like a disinterested nfl team this year.

[AppStFan1]

I hope we have scouts in Cullowhee today. Both these teams look to have guys that could help us. Thinking about it , one could argue that Barnes and Flowers are two of our best and they were FCS last season.

Players from FCS that actually played bring more to the team that FBS 2s and 3s that didn't play much. The experience and desire to compete trumps the number of stars and where they came from.

It depends on the person. Cummings barely played at UL and may have been our best player.

Exactly. There are some that can't help us while there are 2nd and 3rd stringers who could start for us. Just depends on the team and talent level they have.

[Seattleapp]

Curtis Fuller's coaching career trajectory makes no sense. He's been up and down and all around. How did he go from several NFL jobs down to high school position coach, back to NFL with a made up intern position and then back down to small college football.

Oakland Raiders (2007)
(Asst spt)
Green Bay Packers (2009–2010)
(Asst spt / Def asst)
Tennessee Titans (2011)
(Asst DB)
Carolina Panthers (2013–2017)
(Asst DB / Asst spt / DB coach)
Arizona Cardinals (2018)
(Def asst LB/DB's)
Myers Park High School (2019)
(DB coach Charlotte, NC)
Myers Park High School (2020)
(DC Charlotte, NC)
Myers Park High School (2021)
(Head coach Charlotte, NC)
Houston Texans (2022)
(Minority intern)
Texas A&M-Commerce (2022)
(Safeties coach)
Coastal Carolina University (2023-present)
(Cornerbacks coach)

I'll also add this little snippet as a wow factor.....
"He coached pros such as Josh Norman, James Bradberry, Budda Baker, Mike Adams (safety), Charles Woodson, Cortland Finnegan, Colin Jones (American football), Jason McCourty, Patrick Peterson, Captain Munnerlyn, and Michael Griffin (American football)."

That's a pretty good bunch of players.

Did he make them better? That’s the question we should be asking

[AppStFan1]

Curtis Fuller's coaching career trajectory makes no sense. He's been up and down and all around. How did he go from several NFL jobs down to high school position coach, back to NFL with a made up intern position and then back down to small college football.

Oakland Raiders (2007)
(Asst spt)
Green Bay Packers (2009–2010)
(Asst spt / Def asst)
Tennessee Titans (2011)
(Asst DB)
Carolina Panthers (2013–2017)
(Asst DB / Asst spt / DB coach)
Arizona Cardinals (2018)
(Def asst LB/DB's)
Myers Park High School (2019)
(DB coach Charlotte, NC)
Myers Park High School (2020)
(DC Charlotte, NC)
Myers Park High School (2021)
(Head coach Charlotte, NC)
Houston Texans (2022)
(Minority intern)
Texas A&M-Commerce (2022)
(Safeties coach)
Coastal Carolina University (2023-present)
(Cornerbacks coach)

I'll also add this little snippet as a wow factor.....
"He coached pros such as Josh Norman, James Bradberry, Budda Baker, Mike Adams (safety), Charles Woodson, Cortland Finnegan, Colin Jones (American football), Jason McCourty, Patrick Peterson, Captain Munnerlyn, and Michael Griffin (American football)."

That's a pretty good bunch of players.

Did he make them better? That’s the question we should be asking

That is a good point. Any of us could be hired to coach a great player but the question is can we make that player better?

[Mjohn1988]

I think it goes back to the fundamental problem that is the transfer portal. There is no more loyalty or commitment in college football. Everyone knows if things go bad, they can always transfer somewhere else next year. How many of our players (or coaches) even care about the rivalry with GSU? It's pay for play and it's here to stay.

Here’s the Devil’s advocate response to that. NIL and the Transfer Portal exist in Conway and Statesboro. Both of those teams treated the respective games as a rivalry, played chippy and one tried to plant a flag at midfield.

The GaSo fans are not happy with Clay Helton, yet he can get his team off the bus ready to play and fired up.

Just because you are getting paid (and I don’t believe they all are getting paid) doesn’t mean you can’t be passionate about your job

National TV/packed stadium and the sideline wasn’t energized. Watch the other G5 mid week games. Coming off a break, coaching staff should have had the team ready to run through a wall and had some wrinkles in the game plan.

I think you're seeing the difference between an NFL business like mindset and the more emotional/energetic college mindset.

GS and CC both played emotional and they beat us. I understand playing under control but guys have to want it to win. It’s not a business transaction, another guy is literally trying to run you over and make you not want to see him coming at you again.

[ASUFan4863]

Curtis is a good secondary coach and can recruit. His career trajectory was mostly due to the panthers “scandal”, which was more smoke than fire. All in all, the secondary has defended decently and has had to cover for long periods of time without any pass rush.
McBurrows was the captain of the secondary. He was HUGE on communication amongst the entire secondary. Once he went away, there has not been anyone to step up in his place. That’s more on the players themselves to be a self-made leader. McCantos and Hasz are probably the two best all around in the secondary, but they struggle to tackle consistently. Gamble is consistent but has a broken hand so he is at a natural limitation right now. Favors can’t cover and has bad eyes in run support. Johnson has two bum knees, which is why he can’t cover aggressively. He’s about 10-15 yards off every play. Floyd is being asked to play a lot of Man within the zone and he’s done fine at times but he is still growing and that comes with some pain. He’s probably not a top end corner. We need some people with starting experience and ball skills.