Could ACC be snubbed and SBC get in CFP?

[bcoach]

JMU in with their SOC is just pittiful and is in no way a good look for the SB.

[Yosef84]

JMU in with their SOC is just pittiful and is in no way a good look for the SB.

It's less ridiculous than Liberty getting the NY6 bid a couple of years ago. Their SOS is weaker than usually largely because the conference is down. Their Strength of Record is strong though. It's a weird year for college football.

[ah59396]

The CFP committee always makes a point of emphasizing that they are picking best not most deserving. If that is true then there is no way JMU gets in the field with the #123 SOS.

Not as an at large bid, but that's not what we are talking about. They are now one of the highest ranked conference champions so they would get an autobid.

Seems like a lot of people on this board don’t know how the CFP selection process works.

As you rightly pointed out, the selection committee HAS to take one of:

JMU (12-1)
Duke (8-5)
Western Michigan (9-4)
Boise (9-4)
Kennesaw State (10-3)


There are no other options for the SC.

[bcoach]

The CFP committee always makes a point of emphasizing that they are picking best not most deserving. If that is true then there is no way JMU gets in the field with the #123 SOS.

Not as an at large bid, but that's not what we are talking about. They are now one of the highest ranked conference champions so they would get an autobid.

Seems like a lot of people on this board don’t know how the CFP selection process works.

As you rightly pointed out, the selection committee HAS to take one of:

JMU (12-1)
Duke (8-5)
Western Michigan (9-4)
Boise (9-4)
Kennesaw State (10-3)


There are no other options for the SC.

What people are missing is that it is nuts that they are ranked above Duke with a SOC that is almost double that of Duke. I am not questioning the formula I question the ramking that gets them there. Real bad system.

[AppInDC]

The CFP committee always makes a point of emphasizing that they are picking best not most deserving. If that is true then there is no way JMU gets in the field with the #123 SOS.

Not as an at large bid, but that's not what we are talking about. They are now one of the highest ranked conference champions so they would get an autobid.

Seems like a lot of people on this board don’t know how the CFP selection process works.

As you rightly pointed out, the selection committee HAS to take one of:

JMU (12-1)
Duke (8-5)
Western Michigan (9-4)
Boise (9-4)
Kennesaw State (10-3)


There are no other options for the SC.

What people are missing is that it is nuts that they are ranked above Duke with a SOC that is almost double that of Duke. I am not questioning the formula I question the ramking that gets them there. Real bad system.

What metric would you suggest to use? James Madison has a stronger Strength of Record than Duke. I have checked several predictive rating systems such as FPI, Sagarin, and SP+, and all put JMU in ahead of Duke.

Duke is a mediocre 5 loss team that somehow has more losses to non-Power 5 schools than JMU. This isn't one of the typical cases where it may be a slam dunk argument to say the Power Conference school would be favored on a neutral field. Based on the evidence I see, it seems clear it would be the reverse.

[boonetodd]

Duke would beat JMU's ass. JMU schedule was a joke. They have no business being in a playoff.

[Bootsy]

Understood by-laws that the top five ranked conference champions make the CFP, what mental gymnastics will occur to keep ND, Miami, and Bama in over JMU?

There are no mental gymnastics available other than elevating Duke. I don't think that happens. The ACC screwed the system and I am sure they change it moving forward but for this playoff, I think JMU just got in. We will see I guess. Any other result if a flagrant change to their own rules. The gymnastics will now be a direct choice a month ND, Miami and Bama. My personal opinion is that ND should be left out (head to head loss to Miami) but I won't be surprised to see something Miami screwed. I don't think the CFP committee screws with the SEC but you never know. With all the depth in the SEC, maybe they will. I would actually LOVE to see Bama get screwed, but I'll be surprised if it happens. All that said, I've been wrong plenty of times before. We will know soon enough.

Notre Dame? Given the size of their fanbase (read: TV audience), don't you think the committee would do anything to give them a slot? Even at the expense of a more-deserving program?

As much as I dislike saying it, JMU deserves a bid over most of the other programs under consideration. If they don't get in, we should expect a lot of entertainment to come out Harrisonburg/Richmond. Remember the puppet show they staged when they were transitioning to FBS and were refused access to bowl bids? But then I think about if App was in that position: how would we respond?

[bcoach]

The CFP committee always makes a point of emphasizing that they are picking best not most deserving. If that is true then there is no way JMU gets in the field with the #123 SOS.

Not as an at large bid, but that's not what we are talking about. They are now one of the highest ranked conference champions so they would get an autobid.

Seems like a lot of people on this board don’t know how the CFP selection process works.

As you rightly pointed out, the selection committee HAS to take one of:

JMU (12-1)
Duke (8-5)
Western Michigan (9-4)
Boise (9-4)
Kennesaw State (10-3)


There are no other options for the SC.

What people are missing is that it is nuts that they are ranked above Duke with a SOC that is almost double that of Duke. I am not questioning the formula I question the ramking that gets them there. Real bad system.

What metric would you suggest to use? James Madison has a stronger Strength of Record than Duke. I have checked several predictive rating systems such as FPI, Sagarin, and SP+, and all put JMU in ahead of Duke.

Duke is a mediocre 5 loss team that somehow has more losses to non-Power 5 schools than JMU. This isn't one of the typical cases where it may be a slam dunk argument to say the Power Conference school would be favored on a neutral field. Based on the evidence I see, it seems clear it would be the reverse.

I am going to leave it at this. JMU has played NOBODY. The sunbelt this year would not do well in FCS. Now I could be wrong and it would not be the first time. I have seen Duke around 70 and JMU around 120 and again that could be wrong. What is not wrong is that they played on P% and lost. The rest of their schedule incredibly soft and nothing to pound their chest about. Them being ranked at all is just plain silly.

[AtlAppMan]

As much as I don’t like JMU, I think it is best for SBC to say we play in the CFP and maybe help us in a year where we do well.

Also if they get in I hope they are competitive.

[yosef69]

Not as an at large bid, but that's not what we are talking about. They are now one of the highest ranked conference champions so they would get an autobid.

Seems like a lot of people on this board don’t know how the CFP selection process works.

As you rightly pointed out, the selection committee HAS to take one of:

JMU (12-1)
Duke (8-5)
Western Michigan (9-4)
Boise (9-4)
Kennesaw State (10-3)


There are no other options for the SC.

What people are missing is that it is nuts that they are ranked above Duke with a SOC that is almost double that of Duke. I am not questioning the formula I question the ramking that gets them there. Real bad system.

What metric would you suggest to use? James Madison has a stronger Strength of Record than Duke. I have checked several predictive rating systems such as FPI, Sagarin, and SP+, and all put JMU in ahead of Duke.

Duke is a mediocre 5 loss team that somehow has more losses to non-Power 5 schools than JMU. This isn't one of the typical cases where it may be a slam dunk argument to say the Power Conference school would be favored on a neutral field. Based on the evidence I see, it seems clear it would be the reverse.

I am going to leave it at this. JMU has played NOBODY. The sunbelt this year would not do well in FCS. Now I could be wrong and it would not be the first time. I have seen Duke around 70 and JMU around 120 and again that could be wrong. What is not wrong is that they played on P% and lost. The rest of their schedule incredibly soft and nothing to pound their chest about. Them being ranked at all is just plain silly.

Sounding like a p4 shill this morning coach

[Yosef84]

The CFP committee always makes a point of emphasizing that they are picking best not most deserving. If that is true then there is no way JMU gets in the field with the #123 SOS.

Not as an at large bid, but that's not what we are talking about. They are now one of the highest ranked conference champions so they would get an autobid.

Seems like a lot of people on this board don’t know how the CFP selection process works.

As you rightly pointed out, the selection committee HAS to take one of:

JMU (12-1)
Duke (8-5)
Western Michigan (9-4)
Boise (9-4)
Kennesaw State (10-3)


There are no other options for the SC.

What people are missing is that it is nuts that they are ranked above Duke with a SOC that is almost double that of Duke. I am not questioning the formula I question the ramking that gets them there. Real bad system.

I really don't think it's odd at all with JMU being 12-1 and Duke being 8-5. By your argument, no G6 team would even get ranked in most years because the SOS would favor the P4. Also, the committee has been talking Strength of Record (not schedule) a lot this year to justify the B1G being ranked above the SEC. By that metric, JMU is solid with quite a few dominating wins including the CCG. JMU's only loss was to a Louisville team that beat Miami. Duke lost to TWO G5 teams. I think the anit-JMU feelings are showing through because it completely makes sense for them to be ranked above Duke. Duke should never have been in the championship game. That was the point I made above. The ACC should have considered CFP rankings as part of the tie breaker, but they haven't updated their rules.

[bcoach]

Understood by-laws that the top five ranked conference champions make the CFP, what mental gymnastics will occur to keep ND, Miami, and Bama in over JMU?

There are no mental gymnastics available other than elevating Duke. I don't think that happens. The ACC screwed the system and I am sure they change it moving forward but for this playoff, I think JMU just got in. We will see I guess. Any other result if a flagrant change to their own rules. The gymnastics will now be a direct choice a month ND, Miami and Bama. My personal opinion is that ND should be left out (head to head loss to Miami) but I won't be surprised to see something Miami screwed. I don't think the CFP committee screws with the SEC but you never know. With all the depth in the SEC, maybe they will. I would actually LOVE to see Bama get screwed, but I'll be surprised if it happens. All that said, I've been wrong plenty of times before. We will know soon enough.

Notre Dame? Given the size of their fanbase (read: TV audience), don't you think the committee would do anything to give them a slot? Even at the expense of a more-deserving program?

As much as I dislike saying it, JMU deserves a bid over most of the other programs under consideration. If they don't get in, we should expect a lot of entertainment to come out Harrisonburg/Richmond. Remember the puppet show they staged when they were transitioning to FBS and were refused access to bowl bids? But then I think about if App was in that position: how would we respond?

Saying that JMU should be in over ND, Miami, Bama and a number of other teams is only because of a ridiculous system. The system is what it is though so you really need to go back to ranking and that is the same mess it has always been. The playoff is intended to get as much TV revenue as possible, not to get the best teams in the mix.

[bcoach]

Seems like a lot of people on this board don’t know how the CFP selection process works.

As you rightly pointed out, the selection committee HAS to take one of:

JMU (12-1)
Duke (8-5)
Western Michigan (9-4)
Boise (9-4)
Kennesaw State (10-3)


There are no other options for the SC.

What people are missing is that it is nuts that they are ranked above Duke with a SOC that is almost double that of Duke. I am not questioning the formula I question the ramking that gets them there. Real bad system.

What metric would you suggest to use? James Madison has a stronger Strength of Record than Duke. I have checked several predictive rating systems such as FPI, Sagarin, and SP+, and all put JMU in ahead of Duke.

Duke is a mediocre 5 loss team that somehow has more losses to non-Power 5 schools than JMU. This isn't one of the typical cases where it may be a slam dunk argument to say the Power Conference school would be favored on a neutral field. Based on the evidence I see, it seems clear it would be the reverse.

I am going to leave it at this. JMU has played NOBODY. The sunbelt this year would not do well in FCS. Now I could be wrong and it would not be the first time. I have seen Duke around 70 and JMU around 120 and again that could be wrong. What is not wrong is that they played on P% and lost. The rest of their schedule incredibly soft and nothing to pound their chest about. Them being ranked at all is just plain silly.

Sounding like a p4 shill this morning coach

I don't understand that. What do you mean?

[t4pizza]

The highest ranked top 5 conference champs are automatically included in the playoff, it is not an at large bid. Unless the committee now ranks a 5 loss Duke team ahead of a 1 loss JMU, then JMU will be in the playoffs. It is just that simple. It doesn't matter about any metrics as long as they are one of the top5 ranked conference champs. As much as I hate it, JMU will most likely be in the playoffs. I say most likely because we have all seen enough shenanigans with the committee to know that anything can happen. And by that I just mean that the committee somehow ranks Duke ahead of JMU, which would be pure intellectual dishonesty.

[ah59396]

What people are missing is that it is nuts that they are ranked above Duke with a SOC that is almost double that of Duke. I am not questioning the formula I question the ramking that gets them there. Real bad system.

What metric would you suggest to use? James Madison has a stronger Strength of Record than Duke. I have checked several predictive rating systems such as FPI, Sagarin, and SP+, and all put JMU in ahead of Duke.

Duke is a mediocre 5 loss team that somehow has more losses to non-Power 5 schools than JMU. This isn't one of the typical cases where it may be a slam dunk argument to say the Power Conference school would be favored on a neutral field. Based on the evidence I see, it seems clear it would be the reverse.

I am going to leave it at this. JMU has played NOBODY. The sunbelt this year would not do well in FCS. Now I could be wrong and it would not be the first time. I have seen Duke around 70 and JMU around 120 and again that could be wrong. What is not wrong is that they played on P% and lost. The rest of their schedule incredibly soft and nothing to pound their chest about. Them being ranked at all is just plain silly.

Sounding like a p4 shill this morning coach

I don't understand that. What do you mean?

The argument you are making effectively supports the idea that no G5/G6 team should really EVER be in the CFP.

Which if you are, that’s fine. It’s a legitimate position. But it’s a common position taken by the likes of a Herbstreit etc, who are notorious P4 shills.

[Stonewall]

If JMU gets in I can see a change in the future selection process . It’s coming but it may be accelerated.

[yosef69]

What people are missing is that it is nuts that they are ranked above Duke with a SOC that is almost double that of Duke. I am not questioning the formula I question the ramking that gets them there. Real bad system.

What metric would you suggest to use? James Madison has a stronger Strength of Record than Duke. I have checked several predictive rating systems such as FPI, Sagarin, and SP+, and all put JMU in ahead of Duke.

Duke is a mediocre 5 loss team that somehow has more losses to non-Power 5 schools than JMU. This isn't one of the typical cases where it may be a slam dunk argument to say the Power Conference school would be favored on a neutral field. Based on the evidence I see, it seems clear it would be the reverse.

I am going to leave it at this. JMU has played NOBODY. The sunbelt this year would not do well in FCS. Now I could be wrong and it would not be the first time. I have seen Duke around 70 and JMU around 120 and again that could be wrong. What is not wrong is that they played on P% and lost. The rest of their schedule incredibly soft and nothing to pound their chest about. Them being ranked at all is just plain silly.

Sounding like a p4 shill this morning coach

I don't understand that. What do you mean?

You sound like you work for the ACC. You are directly arguing against apps interest. We could be in JMUs spot one day and you’re laying the foundation to lock us out.

[bcoach]

What metric would you suggest to use? James Madison has a stronger Strength of Record than Duke. I have checked several predictive rating systems such as FPI, Sagarin, and SP+, and all put JMU in ahead of Duke.

Duke is a mediocre 5 loss team that somehow has more losses to non-Power 5 schools than JMU. This isn't one of the typical cases where it may be a slam dunk argument to say the Power Conference school would be favored on a neutral field. Based on the evidence I see, it seems clear it would be the reverse.

I am going to leave it at this. JMU has played NOBODY. The sunbelt this year would not do well in FCS. Now I could be wrong and it would not be the first time. I have seen Duke around 70 and JMU around 120 and again that could be wrong. What is not wrong is that they played on P% and lost. The rest of their schedule incredibly soft and nothing to pound their chest about. Them being ranked at all is just plain silly.

Sounding like a p4 shill this morning coach

I don't understand that. What do you mean?

The argument you are making effectively supports the idea that no G5/G6 team should really EVER be in the CFP.

Which if you are, that’s fine. It’s a legitimate position. But it’s a common position taken by the likes of a Herbstreit etc, who are notorious P4 shills.

No not at all. I just think you need to get as close to the best teams in as you can. JMU in no way deserves to be in the mix. Now if JMU won a decent SB a couple P4 games or even one and one close I am all for it. Now granted the system is what it is but it just is not right. I would love for us to be in the playoffs at some point but if it were under these conditions I would be embarrased. This is a lot like your little brother playing with you and your friends. Not because he was good enough but because your mother demanded it.

[Stonewall]

It might be , I can not say with certainty, that a JMU bid into the CFP fuels a change that all but locks more than one G6 out in the future.

[Bootsy]

If JMU gets in I can see a change in the future selection process . It’s coming but it may be accelerated.

As if G5's haven't lost nearly all faith in the system, that could be the last nail in the coffin.

But, then there's the CFP/TV partner philosophy:
Higher profit potential > intellectual honesty