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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by AppDub » Wed Dec 17, 2025 8:00 am

TheMoody1 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:33 pm
Gonna need a new kicker.
Still have Dom in the fold right? Thats the one I'm most concerned with.

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by MrCraig » Wed Dec 17, 2025 9:11 am

t4pizza wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:03 pm
AppState222 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 5:37 pm
Some interesting JMU NIL numbers, reported in the athletic, based of FOIA requests,
"James Madison’s revenue-sharing budget is a little more than $1 million, according to its payroll data. That figure is split among 34 players (whose names were redacted). Two players are making $65,000, and four are making $7,500 each. Four men’s basketball players were set to make more than the highest-paid football player.



Here’s a stunning way to contextualize it: What JMU paid its head coach and entire roster (just under $1.9 million) is less than Oregon paid its defensive coordinator, Tosh Lupoi ($2 million). Ducks head coach Dan Lanning’s $10.4 million salary is three times the Dukes’ annual football operating expenses ($3.2 million).
James Madison’s budget is competitive in the Sun Belt, but it’s not No. 1. That was Coastal Carolina ($17.3 million in football revenue)."
Now those are figures that make much more sense than the nonsense NIL boogey man figures that have been posted on many threads here. Sure doesn't look like they are paying their OLmen 190k a year. Nor does it seem like their NIL is so much greater than ours that we just can't compete. Sadly, they have just done it better. We say we do more with less, but clearly they do it much better with less than we do. This is an administration issue, we have to get better at that level.
Man, I've BEEN saying this. NIL hasn't drastically changed the financial landscape of college sports like folks want to believe. It's just moved the money from going to programs to going directly to players. The haves still have and the have-nots still haven't. There are a few programs that are experiencing new success because deep-pocketed donors are giving tons to NIL (Texas Tech is prime example), but most everything has really stayed the same.

While I'm on this topic, I think the transfer portal is similar. It has allowed players freedom of movement, but on average there really hasn't been that much change in the number of players changing schools. The difference is, before the portal a lot of guys would just drop out or scrub off the team. Now, they "enter the portal."

Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but players are allowed to come back out of the portal and stay on the team, right? I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these guys posting AI-generated Instagram posts about "After much prayer, thought, and discussion with my family and coaches, I've decided I will be returning to Appalachian State for the 26-27 season."

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by fjblair » Wed Dec 17, 2025 9:45 am

MrCraig wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 9:11 am
t4pizza wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:03 pm
AppState222 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 5:37 pm
Some interesting JMU NIL numbers, reported in the athletic, based of FOIA requests,
"James Madison’s revenue-sharing budget is a little more than $1 million, according to its payroll data. That figure is split among 34 players (whose names were redacted). Two players are making $65,000, and four are making $7,500 each. Four men’s basketball players were set to make more than the highest-paid football player.



Here’s a stunning way to contextualize it: What JMU paid its head coach and entire roster (just under $1.9 million) is less than Oregon paid its defensive coordinator, Tosh Lupoi ($2 million). Ducks head coach Dan Lanning’s $10.4 million salary is three times the Dukes’ annual football operating expenses ($3.2 million).
James Madison’s budget is competitive in the Sun Belt, but it’s not No. 1. That was Coastal Carolina ($17.3 million in football revenue)."
Now those are figures that make much more sense than the nonsense NIL boogey man figures that have been posted on many threads here. Sure doesn't look like they are paying their OLmen 190k a year. Nor does it seem like their NIL is so much greater than ours that we just can't compete. Sadly, they have just done it better. We say we do more with less, but clearly they do it much better with less than we do. This is an administration issue, we have to get better at that level.
Man, I've BEEN saying this. NIL hasn't drastically changed the financial landscape of college sports like folks want to believe. It's just moved the money from going to programs to going directly to players. The haves still have and the have-nots still haven't. There are a few programs that are experiencing new success because deep-pocketed donors are giving tons to NIL (Texas Tech is prime example), but most everything has really stayed the same.

While I'm on this topic, I think the transfer portal is similar. It has allowed players freedom of movement, but on average there really hasn't been that much change in the number of players changing schools. The difference is, before the portal a lot of guys would just drop out or scrub off the team. Now, they "enter the portal."

Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but players are allowed to come back out of the portal and stay on the team, right? I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these guys posting AI-generated Instagram posts about "After much prayer, thought, and discussion with my family and coaches, I've decided I will be returning to Appalachian State for the 26-27 season."
My understanding is that they are allowed to come back to the school they tried to ditch, but it's at the discretion of the school to allow or not allow them back on the team.

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by Stonewall » Wed Dec 17, 2025 9:53 am

Correct.

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by boonetodd » Wed Dec 17, 2025 9:58 am

We can't even keep our kicker? Man college sports are circling the drain.

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by ASUFan4863 » Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:45 am

I can’t predict the future but we still have the two kickers who played this season in De Freitas and McVay don’t we?

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by AppDub » Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:53 am

ASUFan4863 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:45 am
I can’t predict the future but we still have the two kickers who played this season in De Freitas and McVay don’t we?
Yes, so far. I feel good with those guys.

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool » Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:06 am

AppState222 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 5:37 pm
Some interesting JMU NIL numbers, reported in the athletic, based of FOIA requests,
"James Madison’s revenue-sharing budget is a little more than $1 million, according to its payroll data. That figure is split among 34 players (whose names were redacted). Two players are making $65,000, and four are making $7,500 each. Four men’s basketball players were set to make more than the highest-paid football player.



Here’s a stunning way to contextualize it: What JMU paid its head coach and entire roster (just under $1.9 million) is less than Oregon paid its defensive coordinator, Tosh Lupoi ($2 million). Ducks head coach Dan Lanning’s $10.4 million salary is three times the Dukes’ annual football operating expenses ($3.2 million).
James Madison’s budget is competitive in the Sun Belt, but it’s not No. 1. That was Coastal Carolina ($17.3 million in football revenue)."
Coastal has the highest revenue?

Free concessions, 5k attendance Coastal?

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by BambooRdApp » Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:09 am

This is just revenue share... Not full NIL paid to players
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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by rbarthle17 » Wed Dec 17, 2025 12:01 pm

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A quick poll on staying with the job. I taught and coached at 2 schools in 40 years. Spent 24 yrs at one and 16 at the other. How about the rest of you?
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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by BallantyneApp » Wed Dec 17, 2025 12:07 pm

GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 11:06 am
AppState222 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 5:37 pm
Some interesting JMU NIL numbers, reported in the athletic, based of FOIA requests,
"James Madison’s revenue-sharing budget is a little more than $1 million, according to its payroll data. That figure is split among 34 players (whose names were redacted). Two players are making $65,000, and four are making $7,500 each. Four men’s basketball players were set to make more than the highest-paid football player.



Here’s a stunning way to contextualize it: What JMU paid its head coach and entire roster (just under $1.9 million) is less than Oregon paid its defensive coordinator, Tosh Lupoi ($2 million). Ducks head coach Dan Lanning’s $10.4 million salary is three times the Dukes’ annual football operating expenses ($3.2 million).
James Madison’s budget is competitive in the Sun Belt, but it’s not No. 1. That was Coastal Carolina ($17.3 million in football revenue)."
Coastal has the highest revenue?

Free concessions, 5k attendance Coastal?
School subsidy is included.

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by AppState222 » Wed Dec 17, 2025 12:20 pm

I quoted the JMU relevant parts because I think thats the most interesting to us, but if anyone wants to read the full article (and has a subscription), https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/689203 ... ies-money/.

The writer does provide the expected caveats that some of the information is a few years old because thats the most recent data, some schools didnt answer the FOIA requests, and all schools report their finances differently.

I do think some has changed and it isnt just status quo from pre NIL/portal era, Oklahoma paid players 32 mil across the dept, Texas Tech fb roster costs around 25 mil.

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by appsfan » Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:02 pm

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by CoachRob » Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:27 pm

moonshine wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 3:36 pm
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I could be wrong, but wasn't Dozier the WR who didn't line up on the LOS causing the penalty on the 4th & 1 TD pass vs Arky State? I went back to look at that play, Galloway was a wing off of an extra OL as the TE, meaning the flanker needed to be on the LOS for a legal formation. Great play call with the wing leaking out off of a split zone look. Couldn't see the #, but all the WR needed to do was have enough focus to lineup correctly and stand there.
I know he dropped an easy wide open TD pass that would have sealed the Coastal game. I know the kid is talented, but seen enough drops & lack of focus plays to move on to someone else.
If Dozier was supposed to be on the line, I’m not a fan of the formation. Larkins was the TE on the LOS on Dozier’s side. If Dozier is responsible for being on the LOS, that locks Larkin in as a blocker only and ineligible as a receiver. Seems counterintuitive to tip your hand on the formation and if the TE is a blocker only, why not use an actual OL player if the TE position is obviously blocking?
It was an actual OL as the TE(will have to go back to look at #), Galloway was an H back offset of the TE that leaked out behind the Defense. Formation was good minus Dozier not being on the LOS.

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by Lowcountry App » Wed Dec 17, 2025 2:01 pm

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A quick poll on staying with the job. I taught and coached at 2 schools in 40 years. Spent 24 yrs at one and 16 at the other. How about the rest of you?
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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by appfanjj » Wed Dec 17, 2025 2:25 pm

fjblair wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 9:45 am
MrCraig wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 9:11 am
t4pizza wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:03 pm
AppState222 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 5:37 pm
Some interesting JMU NIL numbers, reported in the athletic, based of FOIA requests,
"James Madison’s revenue-sharing budget is a little more than $1 million, according to its payroll data. That figure is split among 34 players (whose names were redacted). Two players are making $65,000, and four are making $7,500 each. Four men’s basketball players were set to make more than the highest-paid football player.



Here’s a stunning way to contextualize it: What JMU paid its head coach and entire roster (just under $1.9 million) is less than Oregon paid its defensive coordinator, Tosh Lupoi ($2 million). Ducks head coach Dan Lanning’s $10.4 million salary is three times the Dukes’ annual football operating expenses ($3.2 million).
James Madison’s budget is competitive in the Sun Belt, but it’s not No. 1. That was Coastal Carolina ($17.3 million in football revenue)."
Now those are figures that make much more sense than the nonsense NIL boogey man figures that have been posted on many threads here. Sure doesn't look like they are paying their OLmen 190k a year. Nor does it seem like their NIL is so much greater than ours that we just can't compete. Sadly, they have just done it better. We say we do more with less, but clearly they do it much better with less than we do. This is an administration issue, we have to get better at that level.
Man, I've BEEN saying this. NIL hasn't drastically changed the financial landscape of college sports like folks want to believe. It's just moved the money from going to programs to going directly to players. The haves still have and the have-nots still haven't. There are a few programs that are experiencing new success because deep-pocketed donors are giving tons to NIL (Texas Tech is prime example), but most everything has really stayed the same.

While I'm on this topic, I think the transfer portal is similar. It has allowed players freedom of movement, but on average there really hasn't been that much change in the number of players changing schools. The difference is, before the portal a lot of guys would just drop out or scrub off the team. Now, they "enter the portal."

Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but players are allowed to come back out of the portal and stay on the team, right? I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these guys posting AI-generated Instagram posts about "After much prayer, thought, and discussion with my family and coaches, I've decided I will be returning to Appalachian State for the 26-27 season."
My understanding is that they are allowed to come back to the school they tried to ditch, but it's at the discretion of the school to allow or not allow them back on the team.
Would we even want any of our portal guys from this year's team back?

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by biggie » Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:20 pm

Not sure what is going on exactly but he shared a large App highlight on his X yesterday.

Was starting at OK St but got hurt.

https://x.com/markell_samuel

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by biggie » Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:25 pm

Not sure if we got this one.

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by biggie » Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:25 pm

And Hopper back in portal assume for more money

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Re: Portal time 25-26

Post by 311neers » Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:45 pm

biggie wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:25 pm
Not sure if we got this one.
Ok this is my first “Who”?
Never heard of this person. Was he on the team?
It has me wondering, can someone fake a portal entry? Haha. Can’t be that hard.

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