Dowell Loggains and his recruiting staff are absolutely phenomenal.

[AppWyo]

let’s just go all in on the thread derail

That looks like diet coke.

Pepsi

Or Dr Pepper Zero

Tab

Could be, the bubbles look right.

[AppDub]

RC

[Pikapp79]

Will wait on results.

[mtnjax]

For Texas style in NC...Jon G's in Peachland, NC, Apple City BBQ in Taylorsville, NC, Dampf Good BBQ in Cary, NC, and Black Powder in Jamestown, NC. All really good and I grew up in Lexington, NC!!

Calling Apple City "Texas Style" is wild. I've been there and they have good NC Q

[ericsaid]

Stars matter at the 5 and upper 4 levels. More players from there go on to college and NFL success than anyone below them. After that it's more about buy in, the right fits and honestly some luck.

I do like Dowell's philosophies on recruiting. Multi-sport athletes, team captains and fighting for the right players. Some assistants who I feel are below-average coaches are above-average recruiters.

The only reason there is a facade that stars matter is because they give high stars to the usual power programs that are in the playoffs every year based on size, offers, and stats. Indiana has proven so far that those 4-5 stars don't even matter if you got the right fits for your system, good coaching, and your players play smart.

I agree on Dowell's recruiting strategy but hope he is considering change of direction and toughness like Cignetti is as well. Folks need to listen to Cignetti because he is beating the breaks off a lot of really smart coaches. I do hope that our coaches instill discipline in our guys and we see a lot less mistakes. You can't beat teams of equal or better talent if you play dumb. We have to cut down on our major mistakes to improve on our 5-8 record.

You know, what’s crazy is that App State was one of the few programs to actually give Cignetti consistent trouble in the last four years.

Despite the final record, something was being done right on the mountain. Playing with more discipline easily results in more wins across coaching staffs. Drops, poor decisions at QB in the Redzone, and penalties were a big, big difference in have 8 wins and 8 losses. Margins were that close.


In a typical college football evaluation, you would say that you could expect improvement year over year. Now it’s impossible to say. What is possible to say is that if App and App fans/donors don’t find it in themselves to get onboard with NIL and revenue sharing, App will become Georgia Southern and Marshall, another FCS move-up afterthought.

[AppWyo]

Stars matter at the 5 and upper 4 levels. More players from there go on to college and NFL success than anyone below them. After that it's more about buy in, the right fits and honestly some luck.

I do like Dowell's philosophies on recruiting. Multi-sport athletes, team captains and fighting for the right players. Some assistants who I feel are below-average coaches are above-average recruiters.

The only reason there is a facade that stars matter is because they give high stars to the usual power programs that are in the playoffs every year based on size, offers, and stats. Indiana has proven so far that those 4-5 stars don't even matter if you got the right fits for your system, good coaching, and your players play smart.

I agree on Dowell's recruiting strategy but hope he is considering change of direction and toughness like Cignetti is as well. Folks need to listen to Cignetti because he is beating the breaks off a lot of really smart coaches. I do hope that our coaches instill discipline in our guys and we see a lot less mistakes. You can't beat teams of equal or better talent if you play dumb. We have to cut down on our major mistakes to improve on our 5-8 record.

You know, what’s crazy is that App State was one of the few programs to actually give Cignetti consistent trouble in the last four years.

Despite the final record, something was being done right on the mountain. Playing with more discipline easily results in more wins across coaching staffs. Drops, poor decisions at QB in the Redzone, and penalties were a big, big difference in have 8 wins and 8 losses. Margins were that close.


In a typical college football evaluation, you would say that you could expect improvement year over year. Now it’s impossible to say. What is possible to say is that if App and App fans/donors don’t find it in themselves to get onboard with NIL and revenue sharing, App will become Georgia Southern and Marshall, another FCS move-up afterthought.

I think that Cignetti took everything he learned in those games against App to not make the same mistakes at Indiana. I mean that loss at JMU to App when College Game Day came to town; he took that information and did not lose when College Game Day came to Bloomington.

[AppStFan1]

Stars matter at the 5 and upper 4 levels. More players from there go on to college and NFL success than anyone below them. After that it's more about buy in, the right fits and honestly some luck.

I do like Dowell's philosophies on recruiting. Multi-sport athletes, team captains and fighting for the right players. Some assistants who I feel are below-average coaches are above-average recruiters.

The only reason there is a facade that stars matter is because they give high stars to the usual power programs that are in the playoffs every year based on size, offers, and stats. Indiana has proven so far that those 4-5 stars don't even matter if you got the right fits for your system, good coaching, and your players play smart.

I agree on Dowell's recruiting strategy but hope he is considering change of direction and toughness like Cignetti is as well. Folks need to listen to Cignetti because he is beating the breaks off a lot of really smart coaches. I do hope that our coaches instill discipline in our guys and we see a lot less mistakes. You can't beat teams of equal or better talent if you play dumb. We have to cut down on our major mistakes to improve on our 5-8 record.

You know, what’s crazy is that App State was one of the few programs to actually give Cignetti consistent trouble in the last four years.

Despite the final record, something was being done right on the mountain. Playing with more discipline easily results in more wins across coaching staffs. Drops, poor decisions at QB in the Redzone, and penalties were a big, big difference in have 8 wins and 8 losses. Margins were that close.


In a typical college football evaluation, you would say that you could expect improvement year over year. Now it’s impossible to say. What is possible to say is that if App and App fans/donors don’t find it in themselves to get onboard with NIL and revenue sharing, App will become Georgia Southern and Marshall, another FCS move-up afterthought.

Yeah it has changed and you never really know from year to year. I firmly think the best thing would be for all donors at every school to cut off funds for NIL and tell the schools and NCAA to get their stuff together and make a system that is sustainable. The issues is that too many want access and have the money to pay for it so that won't happen.

There are a lot of us who just don't have the big money to give towards NIL and are going to do what it takes to keep our seats but not anymore than that. Concessions and tickets are now expensive and after inflation from 2021-2024 and the fact that we know there is no ROI or guarantee of good results when we fund NIL I believe many of us just aren't going to give towards it. I know you and some others really want us to but that horse has been beat dead. If someone on here wants more to go to NIL then I suggest those folks do it themselves. We are at a point where many of us just are not going to give to NIL so if that means we need to adjust our standard and be fine with 5-7 to 7-5 type records then that is what we will do. I also resent that many players are being paid more than most of us make each year and I just don't think giving a 18-22 year old 6-7 figures is a smart way to spend money. I am not mad at you but just explaining where a lot of folks are on this.