Why even have Capel finish the season?

[Maddog1956]

I think they should let him finish the season, but the sad part to me is that Basketball is really a hard sport to be consistently bad at. It's harder to stay consistently at the top, but most coaches would have to work at it to stink all the time.

Basketball takes getting getting lucky with one kid (or two kids) to win a conference. I've seen it from high school to college. A coach goes year in and year out being bottom to mid ranked in a conference and then they get a 3 point shooter and they win or nearly win the conference.

Also, IMHO there isn't a reason for a team not to have players that can't shoot the ball, that's the easiest skill to test for and determine, can the kid shoot.

[WVAPPeer]

Has the SunBelt gotten more than one team in?

[Appsolutley]

"but I'm not sure APP will ever be a contender in basketball"

I'm glad you are not the AD. That remark reflects an attitude we have to change if we are ever to have a competitive team--whether Capel finishes the year or not.

Just making an objective opinion from a non-APP grad - there is no recent history to suggest otherwise - the games I attended back in the early 2000s when APP had a pretty good team and were playing top programs like CofC and there weren't 2500 people there on a Saturday - just one example - people on here wanted Fancher fired and now Capel and not to mention the Buzz Show - What makes any of you think that APP can and will be a conference championship caliber team?
Negatives not in question -
1. It's a football school
2. extremely poor following and extremely low attendance
3. not much student support
4. not a top recruitment area
5. not a lot of $ to help lure a coach
etc.

Yeah, teams without a history of excellence are never able to build good programs. Take Florida Gulf Coast, for example.

[WVAPPeer]

Well tell me why you think APP can have a consistent solid program - I listed some know negatives - explain how APP can overcome those instead of giving me a name of another school ---

[Saint3333]

A budget in the top half of division one. An arena in the top third of the division. Facilities in the top third as well.

Again no one is saying top 25, but an RPi over 200 is unacceptable.

[asutrnr81]

After the JM debacle, we're not going to rated too high on that scale anyway so maybe letting him finish will show that we don't throw all our coaches under the bus.

90% of the basketball coaches who would or could come to App in a coach change have NO idea about JM either good or bad.

For the other 10 % if it means a promotion and a chance to be a D-1 coach could give a rats backside.

Me thinks we are thinking much too highly of ourselves and what coaches are thinking......because for 100% of the coaches we can get I hope their aspirations are coaching in the ACC or Big Ten or at some of the perennial top 40-50 schools. Because I do not think ASU is a terminal job for most....and if it is I do not think I want them here! We should know our place in the world for right now and that is a stepping stone. Do not think for one second when Satt gets this thing rolling we will lose him to a BCS school if he gets the chance! Same for basketball....Remember Cremins--from ASU to Ga. Tech.

[JCline0429]

"90% of the basketball coaches who would or could come to App in a coach change have NO idea about JM either good or bad"

Where do you get that figure? I don't know if I disagree with you or not, but just curious as to how you figure 90% or any other percentage.

[Maddog1956]

After the JM debacle, we're not going to rated too high on that scale anyway so maybe letting him finish will show that we don't throw all our coaches under the bus.

90% of the basketball coaches who would or could come to App in a coach change have NO idea about JM either good or bad.

For the other 10 % if it means a promotion and a chance to be a D-1 coach could give a rats backside.

Me thinks we are thinking much too highly of ourselves and what coaches are thinking......because for 100% of the coaches we can get I hope their aspirations are coaching in the ACC or Big Ten or at some of the perennial top 40-50 schools. Because I do not think ASU is a terminal job for most....and if it is I do not think I want them here! We should know our place in the world for right now and that is a stepping stone. Do not think for one second when Satt gets this thing rolling we will lose him to a BCS school if he gets the chance! Same for basketball....Remember Cremins--from ASU to Ga. Tech.

I would hope that we wouldn't get a coach that didn't have a clue who we were or what happened to that last few coaches here. If they didn't before they were interested in taking the job at least they should before accepting. It's not like it's hard to find out. If not I would doubt judgement/decision making ability.

As far as keeping someone here, I guess people thought that about JM also, but 20 years later he proved them wrong, and he was fairly successful. I don't see why with the right support, the right person wouldn't stay. Not everyone wants to live in Chapel Hill or Cary.

[Maddog1956]

"90% of the basketball coaches who would or could come to App in a coach change have NO idea about JM either good or bad"

Where do you get that figure? I don't know if I disagree with you or not, but just curious as to how you figure 90% or any other percentage.

I'm 99.875% sure I know where he got them, but out of respect for others I pass on saying it.

[JCline0429]

"90% of the basketball coaches who would or could come to App in a coach change have NO idea about JM either good or bad"

Where do you get that figure? I don't know if I disagree with you or not, but just curious as to how you figure 90% or any other percentage.

I'm 99.875% sure I know where he got them, but out of respect for others I pass on saying it.

[ASUMountaineer]

After the JM debacle, we're not going to rated too high on that scale anyway so maybe letting him finish will show that we don't throw all our coaches under the bus.

90% of the basketball coaches who would or could come to App in a coach change have NO idea about JM either good or bad.

For the other 10 % if it means a promotion and a chance to be a D-1 coach could give a rats backside.

Me thinks we are thinking much too highly of ourselves and what coaches are thinking......because for 100% of the coaches we can get I hope their aspirations are coaching in the ACC or Big Ten or at some of the perennial top 40-50 schools. Because I do not think ASU is a terminal job for most....and if it is I do not think I want them here! We should know our place in the world for right now and that is a stepping stone. Do not think for one second when Satt gets this thing rolling we will lose him to a BCS school if he gets the chance! Same for basketball....Remember Cremins--from ASU to Ga. Tech.

I would hope that we wouldn't get a coach that didn't have a clue who we were or what happened to that last few coaches here. If they didn't before they were interested in taking the job at least they should before accepting. It's not like it's hard to find out. If not I would doubt judgement/decision making ability.

As far as keeping someone here, I guess people thought that about JM also, but 20 years later he proved them wrong, and he was fairly successful. I don't see why with the right support, the right person wouldn't stay. Not everyone wants to live in Chapel Hill or Cary.

I'm pretty sure Coach Moore has stated several times that he didn't know about Appalachian State, where it was located, or how to pronounce it until he got a call from Appalachian. As you said, he was quite successful--it seemed to have worked out. This isn't to counter your points, but more to just say that we shouldn't dismiss any options where/if the head men's bball coaching job becomes vacant.

[WVAPPeer]

ASUMountaineer said -
"I'm pretty sure Coach Moore has stated several times that he didn't know about Appalachian State, where it was located, or how to pronounce it until he got a call from Appalachian. As you said, he was quite successful--it seemed to have worked out. This isn't to counter your points, but more to just say that we shouldn't dismiss any options where/if the head men's bball coaching job becomes vacant."

Different world today my friend - even an oldhead like me knows that ---

Let me assure you guys this - if someone is interested in coming to APP as the head basketball coach he will, if he chooses too, delve into all functions of the athletics of the university. With personal friends as head coaches in BCS conferences and over my years of discussions with them believe me, they will investigate - as they should --- The coaching fraternity is very well connected and it goes across sports platforms ---

[Maddog1956]

I'm pretty sure Coach Moore has stated several times that he didn't know about Appalachian State, where it was located, or how to pronounce it until he got a call from Appalachian. As you said, he was quite successful--it seemed to have worked out. This isn't to counter your points, but more to just say that we shouldn't dismiss any options where/if the head men's bball coaching job becomes vacant.

I would hope that we wouldn't get a coach that didn't have a clue who we were or what happened to that last few coaches here.If they didn't before they were interested in taking the job at least they should before accepting.

These two lines have to be read together. Meaning that if they never heard about APPState before the interview, etc I would expect them to at least take an hour searching the internet to see what going on here. If they didn't I would consider them fairly desperate. At least I've always did that before taking a job (even before the internet). I can't say if JM did since it wasn't as easy then but I would expect it now. I would research what he said when he was hired, but there is too much out there about him being fired, his awards/honors, etc, to look through.

I'm not saying it would be their main factor in taking the job, but I can't imagine what kind of loser wouldn't research their new job an home a little, including what happened to the coach before them.

[TheMoody1]

After the JM debacle, we're not going to rated too high on that scale anyway so maybe letting him finish will show that we don't throw all our coaches under the bus.

If having the same head coaching job for over 20 years is getting thrown under the bus, I am sure App can attract a few volunteers.

[ASUMountaineer]

ASUMountaineer said -
"I'm pretty sure Coach Moore has stated several times that he didn't know about Appalachian State, where it was located, or how to pronounce it until he got a call from Appalachian. As you said, he was quite successful--it seemed to have worked out. This isn't to counter your points, but more to just say that we shouldn't dismiss any options where/if the head men's bball coaching job becomes vacant."

Different world today my friend - even an oldhead like me knows that ---

Let me assure you guys this - if someone is interested in coming to APP as the head basketball coach he will, if he chooses too, delve into all functions of the athletics of the university. With personal friends as head coaches in BCS conferences and over my years of discussions with them believe me, they will investigate - as they should --- The coaching fraternity is very well connected and it goes across sports platforms ---

I have no doubt. I just remembered hearing Moore say that before when I read the quote. I also made it point to say that I wasn't countering his overall point, just throwing it out there.

[ASUMountaineer]

I'm pretty sure Coach Moore has stated several times that he didn't know about Appalachian State, where it was located, or how to pronounce it until he got a call from Appalachian. As you said, he was quite successful--it seemed to have worked out. This isn't to counter your points, but more to just say that we shouldn't dismiss any options where/if the head men's bball coaching job becomes vacant.

I would hope that we wouldn't get a coach that didn't have a clue who we were or what happened to that last few coaches here.If they didn't before they were interested in taking the job at least they should before accepting.

These two lines have to be read together. Meaning that if they never heard about APPState before the interview, etc I would expect them to at least take an hour searching the internet to see what going on here. If they didn't I would consider them fairly desperate. At least I've always did that before taking a job (even before the internet). I can't say if JM did since it wasn't as easy then but I would expect it now. I would research what he said when he was hired, but there is too much out there about him being fired, his awards/honors, etc, to look through.

I'm not saying it would be their main factor in taking the job, but I can't imagine what kind of loser wouldn't research their new job an home a little, including what happened to the coach before them.

I acknowledged that by stating that my post wasn't to counter your points. I made it clear that I was simply offering that it had happened at App before. Obviously, it's a different situation nowadays, and I would be shocked if there's a coach that would take the job, "site unseen."

[WVAPPeer]

I understood what you were getting at my young friend - I have heard Coach Moore say the very same thing - just making a joke about the era we now find ourselves ---

[Maddog1956]

After the JM debacle, we're not going to rated too high on that scale anyway so maybe letting him finish will show that we don't throw all our coaches under the bus.

If having the same head coaching job for over 20 years is getting thrown under the bus, I am sure App can attract a few volunteers.

If being "fired" after 20 years, three NC, every award a coach can win (including the National Coach of the Year), increasing attendance from 13,500 to over 25,000 in 3 years, bringing in money like crazy, etc. isn't being thrown under that bus, I know some coaches that would disagree with you. And that's what we're talking of here, coaches opinion not fans.

[TheMoody1]

After the JM debacle, we're not going to rated too high on that scale anyway so maybe letting him finish will show that we don't throw all our coaches under the bus.

If having the same head coaching job for over 20 years is getting thrown under the bus, I am sure App can attract a few volunteers.

If being "fired" after 20 years, three NC, every award a coach can win (including the National Coach of the Year), increasing attendance from 13,500 to over 25,000 in 3 years, bringing in money like crazy, etc. isn't being thrown under that bus, I know some coaches that would disagree with you. And that's what we're talking of here, coaches opinion not fans.

I know even more coaches would love to have a career like JM had at App. Some might say JM threw App under the bus at the end.

[Appsolutley]

"We should know our place in the world for right now and that is a stepping stone."
Worrying about whether a coach stays for an extended period of time is putting the cart before the horse. Hire the best qualified candidate you can hire (based on a reasonable budget) and move on...this time, and every time. Jason Capel was/is not that coach. He was put into a position which he was not ready for, and perhaps, will never be ready for. Not everybody is meant to be a head coach. I have nothing against Jason, but this last hiring process sucked audibly. I hold CC accountable, and I hope he can get this corrected.