App Program Eliminations and Consolidations

[Maddog1956]

Please explain the brain dead logic of your last sentence. Do corporations not employ mostly college grads? How do they benefit by a smaller talent pool or less skilled work force? If you're 57, I'd hope you're smarter than that..

Some corporations depend on college grads, but most corporations supporting Mccory don't employ college grads, they employ mostly non-college grads. Also many of the corporation that depend on unskilled labor (many traditional NC companies) see colleges as adversely affecting there labor pool. They benefit, because people that don't have college educations are forced to take their blue collar jobs at less pay. Maybe when you're 57 you will have enough knowledge to see beyond the crap you're being given. No one cuts college funds and shifts it to vo-tec because they want a high educated work force.

[JCline0429]

Glenn:
The Carolina Inn, I believe it is called, on the campus of UNC-CH is the same way, but it has been restored several times over and the last time I was there, I stayed in it. It would shock me if it has a positive return on its investment. I never said remodeling and saving the Broyhill was economically wise. Instead I'm saying that it deserves the monetary sacrifice would take to keep it. As I said on the old board, many non-alumni folks stayed in Broyhill who had never set foot on campus before and developed an affinity for ASU. My school board used to have its annual retreats in Broyhill. There are countless examples of other successful non-alumni gatherings and conventions that have been held there. It is one of the most beautiful spots on our campus.

What I am saying is that if this was UNC-CH, it would have been saved through donations and other fund raising efforts. It is nothing short of an icon on the campus of our alma mater.

[appst89]

Glenn:
The Carolina Inn, I believe it is called, on the campus of UNC-CH is the same way, but it has been restored several times over and the last time I was there, I stayed in it. It would shock me if it has a positive return on its investment. I never said remodeling and saving the Broyhill was economically wise. Instead I'm saying that it deserves the monetary sacrifice would take to keep it. As I said on the old board, many non-alumni folks stayed in Broyhill who had never set foot on campus before and developed an affinity for ASU. My school board used to have its annual retreats in Broyhill. There are countless examples of other successful non-alumni gatherings and conventions that have been held there. It is one of the most beautiful spots on our campus.

What I am saying is that if this was UNC-CH, it would have been saved through donations and other fund raising efforts. It is nothing short of an icon on the campus of our alma mater.

I don't disagree with any of that, but it doesn't change the fact that App could not continue to subsidize its existence and there wasn't another source of funding to continue operating it.

[JCline0429]

Glenn:
The Carolina Inn, I believe it is called, on the campus of UNC-CH is the same way, but it has been restored several times over and the last time I was there, I stayed in it. It would shock me if it has a positive return on its investment. I never said remodeling and saving the Broyhill was economically wise. Instead I'm saying that it deserves the monetary sacrifice would take to keep it. As I said on the old board, many non-alumni folks stayed in Broyhill who had never set foot on campus before and developed an affinity for ASU. My school board used to have its annual retreats in Broyhill. There are countless examples of other successful non-alumni gatherings and conventions that have been held there. It is one of the most beautiful spots on our campus.

What I am saying is that if this was UNC-CH, it would have been saved through donations and other fund raising efforts. It is nothing short of an icon on the campus of our alma mater.

I don't disagree with any of that, but it doesn't change the fact that App could not continue to subsidize its existence and there wasn't another source of funding to continue operating it.

I don't know the financial facts, but I disagree that there aren't things that could be cut in order to keep most of these programs going at least at a subsistence level until better days come. For Pete's sake we constantly talk about the millions it will cost to do away with the track, lower the field and build some more cheap seat stands. I just don't think athletic money is sacred and categorical enough to let academic programs die. Sure that's a poor example, but it just exemplifies the fact that there has to be money somewhere in our millions to save small academic programs and keep an iconic facility. I just wish the Broyhill money was still flowing in like it did back in the day. It would be a good bet that the Broyhill center would not have the money jingling in the heads of those hoping for the contract to raze it.
That's all I will say except I stand by my posts and I'm sure you do yours as well.

[asutrnr81]

Anyone complaining needs to look at the constantly inflating cost of education...it comes largely from unnecessary majors that call for exorbitant salaries for their professors. Public Education needs to tighten the belt harder than most industries...and McRory knows that.

...the more he can do to keep people down the more it benefits his backers.

You just hit the nail on the head of the whole agenda! Just keep that thought in mind and read THEIR own sites and legislative machine! Remember this in 20-14.....BTW.....I helped vote this crowd in...i will be more selective in the future! ....and I will read how they vote!

[AppinVA]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing, as we all hate to see programs die, but anyone who grows plants knows that one of the best ways to ensure positive growth is to give it a good pruning every now and then.

On the subject of the Broyhill: I actually think one day a resort run by the University will return, but what is there now can't offer the amenities several other hotels around the area can. That wasn't the case back when the best hotel in town was The Red Carpet Inn. To make money, or to at least not bleed the school dry, a facility will need to be built that offers several things you can't currently get. You need tennis courts, spas (did the Broyhill even have a pool?), a golf course, etc. You can't begin to offer any of that on Bodenheimer Drive.

[firemoose]

This type of thing is going on all over the country and has been for YEARS. The only thing that has changed is that, with social media, message boards, and the internet, we KNOW about it. As times change so do the courses, curriculums, and majors to adapt. How many degrees from ASTC do you think are still around today? And of those gone how many would be relevant to today's world? How many computer science degrees were there in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and even 90's? How about IT courses? When did they start to appear? My own major doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for quite a while. And that was just over 15 years ago. As far as education majors go, as the grade and high schools change their curriculums so universities also have to adapt. Most grade and HS's don't even teach history before the Civil War anymore. How do you think a History major from as little as 10 years ago feels right now, when half of what they worked so hard to learn isn't even taught anymore?

Universities have been changing, revamping, revising, or eliminating outdated programs and majors for as long as higher education has been taught. Mostly based on projected job potential outlooks and changing times. I don't agree with removing a completely viable major because of budget reasons or that another school in the system 300 miles away has the same program but combining, revising, or removing programs and majors that are no longer viable in today's society has to be done or else your university falls behind and the degrees that students work so hard to earn do them no good in the real world.

And before someone jumps on me for the programs obviously being removed for budget reasons only read the bolded line.

[appdaze]

I'm really surprised by the education program cuts. Are we not supposed to be THE NC teaching college? I'm not surprised that other programs are getting cut and mashed but I thought this was supposed to be our advertised bread and butter. Consolidating secondary ed? Getting rid of the graduate history secondary ed? We all knew cuts would be coming but I'm just surprised we are cutting what we are supposed to be known for, teaching!

[appbio91]

Please explain the brain dead logic of your last sentence. Do corporations not employ mostly college grads? How do they benefit by a smaller talent pool or less skilled work force? If you're 57, I'd hope you're smarter than that..

Some corporations depend on college grads, but most corporations supporting Mccory don't employ college grads, they employ mostly non-college grads. Also many of the corporation that depend on unskilled labor (many traditional NC companies) see colleges as adversely affecting there labor pool. They benefit, because people that don't have college educations are forced to take their blue collar jobs at less pay. Maybe when you're 57 you will have enough knowledge to see beyond the crap you're being given. No one cuts college funds and shifts it to vo-tec because they want a high educated work force.

You are correct. Our gov has said that liberal arts education is a waste. The problem with his philosophy is big companies are creating more jobs in China than in the US. So he is correct, it is not necessary to have a four year degree to get a job in China. I have a 19 year old and a 16 year old. I will do my damned best to be sure they both get education beyond undergrad despite what our wonderful leader believes is the current reality in NC.

[StumpyCulbreath]

I feel sure we'll soon have replacement programs that are more relevant like Dollar Store Management.

[asu66]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing, as we all hate to see programs die, but anyone who grows plants knows that one of the best ways to ensure positive growth is to give it a good pruning every now and then.

On the subject of the Broyhill: I actually think one day a resort run by the University will return, but what is there now can't offer the amenities several other hotels around the area can. That wasn't the case back when the best hotel in town was The Red Carpet Inn. To make money, or to at least not bleed the school dry, a facility will need to be built that offers several things you can't currently get. You need tennis courts, spas (did the Broyhill even have a pool?), a golf course, etc. You can't begin to offer any of that on Bodenheimer Drive.

The Carolina Inn (CI) has been mentioned here as an example of what The Broyhill Inn woulda/shoulda/coulda been. The CI was my "dorm" a few years back when my employer sent me and a colleague to a school law seminar at the UNC Institute of Gov't and School of Law (one day a week for two years). The place was nice enough (in a 1900s to 1940s sort of way) and convenient enough, but it was by no means a Ritz Carlton. It had/has no pool, no tennis courts. What it did have was good food, heavy antique furnishings, valet parking; location, location, location; and UNC admin financial support out the ying-yang. In Obama-era lingo, The CI is deemed "too big to fail"--and the UNC admin will see to it that it doesn't. http://www.carolinainn.com/chapel-hill- ... -sheet.php

I'm one of those still miffed at the apparent decision to nuke The Broyhill w/o giving deep-pocket university donors a chance and an incentive to step in to renovate and embellish it. They found someone to renovate Farthing Auditorium; so why not The Broyhill? Of course, I'm still miffed that the university didn't step in and buy the Daniel Boone Hotel years ago. Talking about location--The Daniel Boone had it and still has it. That was another ASU admin blunder of major proportion IMO.