UNC CH athletes who can't read

[WataugaMan]

I may be mistaken, however, in reality he probably has enough money to never need a job. Then again, like so many of the "rich thugs" of the past, there is a chance he will eventually destroy himself anyway. Man, how the hell did we get to the point on this thread of discussing JB?

[Maddog1956]

I may be mistaken, however, in reality he probably has enough money to never need a job. Then again, like so many of the "rich thugs" of the past, there is a chance he will eventually destroy himself anyway. Man, how the hell did we get to the point on this thread of discussing JB?

No football?

[WataugaMan]

Nah, who has time for that?

[appst89]

You're trying awfully hard to make my comments into something they're not and still saying I called him a thug when I didn't. I'm sorry, but I simply won't allow you to do that. In the interest of saving space, I'm just going to say that I stick by everything I said based on my personal experience.

We can agree to disagree.

I'm fine with disagreeing, but still waiting for the retraction of the accusation that I called him a thug. Haven't seen that yet.

I don't know what work you do but unless they are violent criminals they're not "thug" according to the proper definition, if you do work with violent criminals you should know better than to apply "thug" to someone that isn't (Sherman doesn't have a criminal record, so clearly not a "thug").

I didn't said you called him one if you read the above quote I said if you work with violent criminals you should know better than to call him one. I was giving you the benefit of doubt that you wasn't calling him one.

So I think it's your turn for the retraction.

If I misinterpreted your later implications then I certainly apologize. Reading them again, I can see that they may have been general comments and not directed specifically at me.

I'm still trying to figure out how you can call someone "thug-like" without implying they're a "thug" however.

Seems a pretty clear distinction to me, but I can't make it for you.

[appdaze]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/28/us/ncaa-a ... ?hpt=hp_t2


"The University of North Carolina failed some of its students "for years" by allowing them to take classes that did not match its own academic standards, Chancellor Carol Folt has admitted."



and finally they admit it

[bcoach]

Actually they did not fail in their intended mission. They brought these people in to play sports not to educate them. The players who take those courses came to play sports not get an education so there was no failure in either of their missions. There may have been a failure in the publics mission but not theirs.

[AppGrad1]

Actually they did not fail in their intended mission. They brought these people in to play sports not to educate them. The players who take those courses came to play sports not get an education so there was no failure in either of their missions. There may have been a failure in the publics mission but not theirs.

Agreed. These athletes came to play sports for the most part not to get an education.
Take any football team in America and I'd bet a huge majority would not get into that school by credentials only.
The system has failed not the individual schools...

[BeauFoster]

Actually they did not fail in their intended mission. They brought these people in to play sports not to educate them. The players who take those courses came to play sports not get an education so there was no failure in either of their missions. There may have been a failure in the publics mission but not theirs.

Agreed. These athletes came to play sports for the most part not to get an education.
Take any football team in America and I'd bet a huge majority would not get into that school by credentials only.
The system has failed not the individual schools...

No, the schools failed when they began to allow sports to become bigger and more important than the mission of the institution. UNC never had to travel that path, and according to Dean-o, they never did. They always did things "the right way". You won't admit it, because your blood runs sky blue, but it's the truth. If UNC cared about education as much as their alumni, fans and staff say they do, they would get out of the business of sports if they can't do things the real right way. That won't happen.

[Longrifle28]

Actually they did not fail in their intended mission. They brought these people in to play sports not to educate them. The players who take those courses came to play sports not get an education so there was no failure in either of their missions. There may have been a failure in the publics mission but not theirs.

Agreed. These athletes came to play sports for the most part not to get an education.
Take any football team in America and I'd bet a huge majority would not get into that school by credentials only.
The system has failed not the individual schools...

No, the schools failed when they began to allow sports to become bigger and more important than the mission of the institution. UNC never had to travel that path, and according to Dean-o, they never did. They always did things "the right way". You won't admit it, because your blood runs sky blue, but it's the truth. If UNC cared about education as much as their alumni, fans and staff say they do, they would get out of the business of sports if they can't do things the real right way. That won't happen.

The Carolina Way=500 unauthorized grade changes and 200 no show classes....

[bcoach]

Actually they did not fail in their intended mission. They brought these people in to play sports not to educate them. The players who take those courses came to play sports not get an education so there was no failure in either of their missions. There may have been a failure in the publics mission but not theirs.

Agreed. These athletes came to play sports for the most part not to get an education.
Take any football team in America and I'd bet a huge majority would not get into that school by credentials only.
The system has failed not the individual schools...

No, the schools failed when they began to allow sports to become bigger and more important than the mission of the institution. UNC never had to travel that path, and according to Dean-o, they never did. They always did things "the right way". You won't admit it, because your blood runs sky blue, but it's the truth. If UNC cared about education as much as their alumni, fans and staff say they do, they would get out of the business of sports if they can't do things the real right way. That won't happen.

I don't mean to split hairs but they failed us but not their own mission. Their main mission was not to educate a team but to win games. They were willing to educate those that wanted it but they were not about to force the issue. If you can play we will keep you eligible. The real solution is to have a policy that if you can't get in as a student then you can't get in as an athlete.

[JCline0429]

Actually they did not fail in their intended mission. They brought these people in to play sports not to educate them. The players who take those courses came to play sports not get an education so there was no failure in either of their missions. There may have been a failure in the publics mission but not theirs.

Agreed. These athletes came to play sports for the most part not to get an education.
Take any football team in America and I'd bet a huge majority would not get into that school by credentials only.
The system has failed not the individual schools...

No, the schools failed when they began to allow sports to become bigger and more important than the mission of the institution. UNC never had to travel that path, and according to Dean-o, they never did. They always did things "the right way". You won't admit it, because your blood runs sky blue, but it's the truth. If UNC cared about education as much as their alumni, fans and staff say they do, they would get out of the business of sports if they can't do things the real right way. That won't happen.

I don't mean to split hairs but they failed us but not their own mission. Their main mission was not to educate a team but to win games. They were willing to educate those that wanted it but they were not about to force the issue. If you can play we will keep you eligible. The real solution is to have a policy that if you can't get in as a student then you can't get in as an athlete.

The same should go for those schools who supposedly play non-scholarship sports but find some way to award academic scholarships to athletes.

[bcoach]

Actually they did not fail in their intended mission. They brought these people in to play sports not to educate them. The players who take those courses came to play sports not get an education so there was no failure in either of their missions. There may have been a failure in the publics mission but not theirs.

Agreed. These athletes came to play sports for the most part not to get an education.
Take any football team in America and I'd bet a huge majority would not get into that school by credentials only.
The system has failed not the individual schools...

No, the schools failed when they began to allow sports to become bigger and more important than the mission of the institution. UNC never had to travel that path, and according to Dean-o, they never did. They always did things "the right way". You won't admit it, because your blood runs sky blue, but it's the truth. If UNC cared about education as much as their alumni, fans and staff say they do, they would get out of the business of sports if they can't do things the real right way. That won't happen.

I don't mean to split hairs but they failed us but not their own mission. Their main mission was not to educate a team but to win games. They were willing to educate those that wanted it but they were not about to force the issue. If you can play we will keep you eligible. The real solution is to have a policy that if you can't get in as a student then you can't get in as an athlete.

The same should go for those schools who supposedly play non-scholarship sports but find some way to award academic scholarships to athletes.

I will tell you this though. UNC may be the worst but does not have a lock on idiotic classes.
Beyonce is one of the world's most scrutinized pop stars, and now that study is moving to academia.

The Department of Women's and Gender Studies at Rutgers University is offering a course called "Politicizing Beyonce."

Kevin Allred, a doctoral student who is teaching the class, tells the university's online news site that he is using Beyonce's career as a way to explore American race, gender and sexual politics.

The class supplements an analysis of Beyonce's videos and lyrics with readings from Black feminists. Allred says he's seeking to help students think more critically about media consumption.

Rutgers also has a class examining the theology of Bruce Springsteen's lyrics.

Georgetown University has a class called "The Sociology of Hip-Hop: The Urban Theodicy of Jay-Z," focusing on Beyoncé's rapper husband.

[JCline0429]

Good grief.

[Longrifle28]

^^UNC's problem is not idiotic classes. Every school has its share of idiotic classes and easy majors, but you still have to go to class and do the work. At UNC there were paper classes that athletes enrolled in but they didn't have to go to class or do the work but they received A's and B's so that they could keep their gpa's up and remain eligible. According to the "Martin Review" there were 500 unauthorized grade changes and 200 no show classes.

[asu66]

Today's Winston-Salem JOURNAL ran an editorial which essentially boils this "can't read" scandal down to one simple question that UNC Chancellor Carol Folt must answer...

http://www.journalnow.com/opinion/edito ... f6878.html

[bcoach]

^^UNC's problem is not idiotic classes. Every school has its share of idiotic classes and easy majors, but you still have to go to class and do the work. At UNC there were paper classes that athletes enrolled in but they didn't have to go to class or do the work but they received A's and B's so that they could keep their gpa's up and remain eligible. According to the "Martin Review" there were 500 unauthorized grade changes and 200 no show classes.

I agree with what you are saying about UNC. Just to clarify, UNC and all other schools need to get rid of these idiotic classes at a time when funds for what should be real education are being cut.

[WVAPPeer]

Today's Winston-Salem JOURNAL ran an editorial which essentially boils this "can't read" scandal down to one simple question that UNC Chancellor Carol Folt must answer...

http://www.journalnow.com/opinion/edito ... f6878.html

OK - here's a very basic question - if some can't read or read at a level to succeed in college, how do they make the scores on the SAT/ACT to qualify? - and does that open up another HUGE can of worms??? ---

[bcoach]

Today's Winston-Salem JOURNAL ran an editorial which essentially boils this "can't read" scandal down to one simple question that UNC Chancellor Carol Folt must answer...

http://www.journalnow.com/opinion/edito ... f6878.html

OK - here's a very basic question - if some can't read or read at a level to succeed in college, how do they make the scores on the SAT/ACT to qualify? - and does that open up another HUGE can of worms??? ---

I believe that would be a yes.