Troy announces Home and Home with NC State

[ASUPATCH]

Note that Troy's stadium capacity is 30,000, and their average home attendance last season was less than 19,000.

Hard for me to understand why App shouldn't be able to attract similar opponents, even without expanding KBS.

We already have Southern Miss coming. Yes I understand they are currently down but they were a top 20 nationally ranked team just 3 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_South ... tball_team

[EastHallApp]

Note that Troy's stadium capacity is 30,000, and their average home attendance last season was less than 19,000.

Hard for me to understand why App shouldn't be able to attract similar opponents, even without expanding KBS.

We already have Southern Miss coming. Yes I understand they are currently down but they were a top 20 nationally ranked team just 3 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_South ... tball_team

I agree they are a good start.

[hapapp]

If NC State came to Boone, how many tickets would we need to guarantee them? I don't think they would agree to come to Boone if we said we can accommodate you by putting your fans on the hill. BCS teams that come to Boone would expect us to provide them with more tickets than previous visitors to KBS have been given. My point is we would have to block off sections of the stadium for visitor seating that currently is used by App fans. We currently designate certain sections for visitors. An NC State or ECU would likely demand more. I'm not sure we could comfortably accommodate them at the moment. It's not a question of fitting 30,000 fans in KBS, its accommodating the additional fans from teams that travel better SoCon teams.

Not sure how many we'd have to guarantee them, but also note that someone like NC State would create about the largest demand possible (large, in-state school). Wake wouldn't require nearly as many. Duke might struggle to sell out the regular visitors' section. Either would still be a great draw for App.

There are also plenty of out of state programs we could try to schedule that wouldn't require as many tickets. You're talking about how many tickets NCSU would require to come to Boone, but how many do you think they'll actually bring to Troy? So if KBS can't accommodate NCSU, it could still accommodate a comparable out-of-state program, as Troy has done repeatedly.

Heck, Duke's stadium only has a stated capacity of about 34,000, and they got freakin' Alabama to come play them.

As far as the permanent seats vs. lawn seating, I just don't see why that's that big of an issue. If a visiting team requires a larger than normal ticket allotment, couldn't we just give them the upper deck seats behind the normal visitor's section? Let App fans fill up the lawn, where plenty prefer to sit anyway.

I am all for replacing the temporary bleachers on the other end with permanent seating eventually. Just don't want to wait until that's done to get some bigger-name opponents in Boone, and I don't think we should have to.

So do you displace season ticket holders?

[EastHallApp]

If NC State came to Boone, how many tickets would we need to guarantee them? I don't think they would agree to come to Boone if we said we can accommodate you by putting your fans on the hill. BCS teams that come to Boone would expect us to provide them with more tickets than previous visitors to KBS have been given. My point is we would have to block off sections of the stadium for visitor seating that currently is used by App fans. We currently designate certain sections for visitors. An NC State or ECU would likely demand more. I'm not sure we could comfortably accommodate them at the moment. It's not a question of fitting 30,000 fans in KBS, its accommodating the additional fans from teams that travel better SoCon teams.

Not sure how many we'd have to guarantee them, but also note that someone like NC State would create about the largest demand possible (large, in-state school). Wake wouldn't require nearly as many. Duke might struggle to sell out the regular visitors' section. Either would still be a great draw for App.

There are also plenty of out of state programs we could try to schedule that wouldn't require as many tickets. You're talking about how many tickets NCSU would require to come to Boone, but how many do you think they'll actually bring to Troy? So if KBS can't accommodate NCSU, it could still accommodate a comparable out-of-state program, as Troy has done repeatedly.

Heck, Duke's stadium only has a stated capacity of about 34,000, and they got freakin' Alabama to come play them.

As far as the permanent seats vs. lawn seating, I just don't see why that's that big of an issue. If a visiting team requires a larger than normal ticket allotment, couldn't we just give them the upper deck seats behind the normal visitor's section? Let App fans fill up the lawn, where plenty prefer to sit anyway.

I am all for replacing the temporary bleachers on the other end with permanent seating eventually. Just don't want to wait until that's done to get some bigger-name opponents in Boone, and I don't think we should have to.

So do you displace season ticket holders?

I don't know how many season tickets App typically sells, but I can't imagine the visitors side upper deck end zone sections are among the more popular choices. Have to think the rest of the stadium would still easily have sufficient seating to hold them all.

Do people keep their season ticket locations from one year to the next? If so, I absolutely think it would be worth it to tell anyone who has those seats that they'll need to move to another section for at least a year so that App can host an ACC/SEC/Big 12 etc. opponent. I actually would guess most would be glad to make that trade. A few might not, but it would be for the benefit of the program and the overwhelming majority of fans.

[ASUPATCH]

Yes you keep your seats from previous years. I think the 40 to 40 or 30-30 on the upper deck are normally season tickets and usually sold out? Either way you give Wake 0-30 on one side of the upper and I doubt you need much more. They only average right at 30k for home games.

[AtlAppMan]

Some folks don't get it. Perception becomes reality. It is a fact that we ONLY have a 21k seat stadium whether you like it or not. That is a fact and as a result the perception is that we are extremely small by FBS standards.

The FACT is that we almost always sellout the 21k physical seats. In addition, another good fact is we usually sell several thousand (sometimes 7-10k) tickets to sit on a sloped lawn. The negative is that we are selling overflow tickets to sit in a mostly less than desirable location. That is great accomplishment but it doesn't change the fact that we DO NOT have a 30k seat stadium.

The fact is that MOST P5 FBS programs are not going to do a home and home to come to a stadium with 21k physical seats.

Bottomline is we are selling 28k plus seats on average for many years and we need to expand our stadium to 30k plus. IMO the 30k physical seats are the baseline for serious FBS stadiums and it directly impacts your schedule negotiation power without it.

[hapapp]

Keep in mind that that 28-30000 attendance figure represents almost all App fans. If another school wants to bring 5000 fans, I still see problems trying to accommodate that. I'm not beating the drum for an immediate expansion of the stadium but just pointing out the difficulty we may have in attracting a school like State or ECU until something is done.

[Gonzo]

I agree with those who think it's time to expand seating. But priority numero uno is getting rid of the track. We shouldn't spend a dime on adding seats until that task is accomplished. The folks at ECU or State won't even bother looking up what our official seat number or capacity is with that bright orange ring around the field. It is the only thing keeping KBS from having a real big-time look.

[clayton]

We'll eventually get a home and home with a BCS team.

But, it's not going to be NC State, UNC, Duke, or Wake Forest.

It will be Virginia, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Pitt, Syracuse, etc. Any out of state BCS team that's not a power.

[appbio91]

As far as the permanent seats vs. lawn seating, I just don't see why that's that big of an issue. If a visiting team requires a larger than normal ticket allotment, couldn't we just give them the upper deck seats behind the normal visitor's section? Let App fans fill up the lawn, where plenty prefer to sit anyway.

I sit at the very top of sec 315. Those are some of the best seats in the house IMO and I would object to giving up my seat to sit one the hill with the drunk frat boys. We need to add seats, plain and simple.

[EastHallApp]

As far as the permanent seats vs. lawn seating, I just don't see why that's that big of an issue. If a visiting team requires a larger than normal ticket allotment, couldn't we just give them the upper deck seats behind the normal visitor's section? Let App fans fill up the lawn, where plenty prefer to sit anyway.

I sit at the very top of sec 315. Those are some of the best seats in the house IMO and I would object to giving up my seat to sit one the hill with the drunk frat boys. We need to add seats, plain and simple.

Where is section 315? Doesn't appear on the seating chart: http://www.appstatesports.com/ViewArtic ... ID=1524545

If we're talking 215, no way you give the visiting team those seats. I'm talking 208 and 209, maybe 210 if necessary. And I don't believe anyone would need to be moved to the lawn, just to other sections of the stadium.

[bcoach]

Just get Duke. The track will not bother them as it looks a lot like theirs and we will be able to find room for the 36 fans that would come up the mountain.

[appbio91]

As far as the permanent seats vs. lawn seating, I just don't see why that's that big of an issue. If a visiting team requires a larger than normal ticket allotment, couldn't we just give them the upper deck seats behind the normal visitor's section? Let App fans fill up the lawn, where plenty prefer to sit anyway.

I sit at the very top of sec 315. Those are some of the best seats in the house IMO and I would object to giving up my seat to sit one the hill with the drunk frat boys. We need to add seats, plain and simple.

Where is section 315? Doesn't appear on the seating chart: http://www.appstatesports.com/ViewArtic ... ID=1524545

If we're talking 215, no way you give the visiting team those seats. I'm talking 208 and 209, maybe 210 if necessary. And I don't believe anyone would need to be moved to the lawn, just to other sections of the stadium.

315 is my own private section. It exists only in my mind. I have sat in 215 ever since they opened the new side, you would think I could remember that number. I agree with you though designating those outer section as opponent seating when necessary might be what happens. It would not be necessary very often I would guess.

[Kgfish]

Just get Duke. The track will not bother them as it looks a lot like theirs and we will be able to find room for the 36 fans that would come up the mountain.

Guess you haven't heard Duke's track is going bye-bye!

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2012/10/2 ... -expansion

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4qYuqoVVbII/U ... 4+East.jpg

[bcoach]

Just get Duke. The track will not bother them as it looks a lot like theirs and we will be able to find room for the 36 fans that would come up the mountain.

Guess you haven't heard Duke's track is going bye-bye!

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2012/10/2 ... -expansion

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4qYuqoVVbII/U ... 4+East.jpg

I did but it will still be fresh in their minds.
Just as a side note I think their budget is a couple hundred dollars bigger than ours.

[WVAPPeer]

Yep - but when Alabama came there as defending National Champions and ranked #1 the track circled Wallace Wade ---

[hapapp]

I agree with those who think it's time to expand seating. But priority numero uno is getting rid of the track. We shouldn't spend a dime on adding seats until that task is accomplished. The folks at ECU or State won't even bother looking up what our official seat number or capacity is with that bright orange ring around the field. It is the only thing keeping KBS from having a real big-time look.

I don't think the fact that we still have the track would keep someone from coming to Boone to play. We may need more seats and that may mean the track needs to go but I don't think the track is the problem, its the lack of seating.

[tromboneman]

If NC State came to Boone, how many tickets would we need to guarantee them? I don't think they would agree to come to Boone if we said we can accommodate you by putting your fans on the hill. BCS teams that come to Boone would expect us to provide them with more tickets than previous visitors to KBS have been given. My point is we would have to block off sections of the stadium for visitor seating that currently is used by App fans. We currently designate certain sections for visitors. An NC State or ECU would likely demand more. I'm not sure we could comfortably accommodate them at the moment. It's not a question of fitting 30,000 fans in KBS, its accommodating the additional fans from teams that travel better SoCon teams.

Not sure how many we'd have to guarantee them, but also note that someone like NC State would create about the largest demand possible (large, in-state school). Wake wouldn't require nearly as many. Duke might struggle to sell out the regular visitors' section. Either would still be a great draw for App.

There are also plenty of out of state programs we could try to schedule that wouldn't require as many tickets. You're talking about how many tickets NCSU would require to come to Boone, but how many do you think they'll actually bring to Troy? So if KBS can't accommodate NCSU, it could still accommodate a comparable out-of-state program, as Troy has done repeatedly.

Heck, Duke's stadium only has a stated capacity of about 34,000, and they got freakin' Alabama to come play them.

As far as the permanent seats vs. lawn seating, I just don't see why that's that big of an issue. If a visiting team requires a larger than normal ticket allotment, couldn't we just give them the upper deck seats behind the normal visitor's section? Let App fans fill up the lawn, where plenty prefer to sit anyway.

I am all for replacing the temporary bleachers on the other end with permanent seating eventually. Just don't want to wait until that's done to get some bigger-name opponents in Boone, and I don't think we should have to.

So do you displace season ticket holders?

No and don't displace students either.

[Kgfish]

Yep - but when Alabama came there as defending National Champions and ranked #1 the track circled Wallace Wade ---

...and they had 40,000 permanent seats.

If we do something like this I won't have an issue with the track.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aeria ... 1-2013.jpg

[WVAPPeer]

Yep - but when Alabama came there as defending National Champions and ranked #1 the track circled Wallace Wade ---

...and they had 40,000 permanent seats.

If we do something like this I won't have an issue with the track.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aeria ... 1-2013.jpg

Their website lists the total capacity at 33,941 - here's the wording from their site ---
"The current capacity is 33,941 and, in 2008, Duke drew a single-season record four crowds of 30,000-plus fans. "
But that wasn't the point - Wasn't the point that someone said we would never get a team like NCS or anyone else as long as we had the track? ---