Southern Miss Game

[WVAPPeer]

Wow Fish - you can dish it out but can't take much can you? --- Of course you are wrong about a couple of things - I was never against the move up only preferred a regional conference - if you don't believe that then contact your friend in Boone and ask him - we discussed it many many times and he knows how I felt ---

Some people are not happy unless they are bitching ---

[GoApps70]

70 you continue to beat that drum with no solution of how to pay for it.

Most schools borrow the money to enlarge their stadiums. You act like it is offensive to enlarge Kidd Brewer Stadium. If we do not accommodate people that want to go to games with seats then they will either not be attending or going to ETSU games in the future.

[WVAPPeer]

FOR YOU SAINT - I know you are numbers man and it seems no one knows the status of the current debt from the previous enhancement campaign - Do you remember if there was a set time put forth to pay off that debt? - How much was that one in the beginning? and what would be your guess for the cost of say adding 5k seats incrementally? ---

[bcoach]

70 you continue to beat that drum with no solution of how to pay for it.

Most schools borrow the money to enlarge their stadiums. You act like it is offensive to enlarge Kidd Brewer Stadium. If we do not accommodate people that want to go to games with seats then they will either not be attending or going to ETSU games in the future.

With all due respect that is exactly what worries some of us. Borrowing the money is not the question. The question is how do you pay for it. Borrowing money is not the answer to his statement.

[HighlandsApp]

This is what we need to emulate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB%26T_Field

Behind KBS, this is one of the nicest around.

[EastHallApp]

Another scheduling example for us: ODU has a 20,000 seat stadium with no additional capacity, and they have NC State coming in next year. They also have Va Tech visiting in 2018, which may or may not have been done with the expectation of a new stadium being built by then (appears to be in doubt at the moment).

Regardless, State knows they're playing in front of 20K next year.

I'm sure the ACC teams want those games as a pitch for Tidewater recruits, but still...

ETA: Sounds like ODU isn't done yet, either: http://hamptonroads.com/2014/06/odu-eye ... -opponents

[WVAPPeer]

"I would guess the ACC teams want those games as a pitch for Tidewater recruits,"

Yep and other than being reasonably close there are probably no other reasons (excluding, of course, a most certain W)

[EastHallApp]

"I would guess the ACC teams want those games as a pitch for Tidewater recruits,"

Yep and other than being reasonably close there are probably no other reasons (excluding, of course, a most certain W)

And the Associate AD is very up-front about that being the large appeal in that link I posted (the recruiting, not the sure win).

But still, you can tell that they're scheduling aggressively and creatively in spite of their small stadium. Scheduling 2-for-1s, road games in cities where their fans would want to travel.

App doesn't have the recruiting base, obviously, but maybe a late summer mountain trip could be an appealing draw for visiting fans, especially on Labor Day weekend (though of course that would complicate scheduling a money game).

[JTApps1]

I must say it is hard for me to buy the argument that we need 30,000 actual seats to draw a quality G5 or lower-level P5 when I see something like Wake playing at ULM this year. Sure they have more actual seats than KBS, but how many fans is Wake going to bring to Monroe, LA anyway? A few hundred?

I realize they'd bring more to Boone (and that the bigger issue is probably that they just don't want to play us), but what about similar out of state programs? How many tickets would we realistically have to guarantee someone like, say, Boston College or Kansas?

Every team in the Belt has 30, 000+ seats except for G. Southern and us. Most of them have scheduled BCS teams at home. I would imagine we could schedule a team such as BC now, but we would likely be turning away our own fans for an ACC game. If we were to play Wake we could easily get 35, 000+ in KBS. Im not saying we will schedule a team like that anytime soon, but if we do our current seating won't be enough.

[JTApps1]

I don't think we need 40,000 now but we do need a plan for 30,000. Look at the possible $$. Let's just say we had 40,000 seats and could do a home and home with Say ECU, NC State, type programs where we would easily sell out every yr. !0,000 extra tickets for only one game a yr. @ 35 is $350,000 @ yr. If you sold 10,000 extra tickets for all the other games that is $700,000 @ yr. That amount of money would go a long way to a debt retirement amount. There is no way we could not sell out a 40,000 stadium against the 2 schools I mentioned and in fact unless we have a 35,000 plus stadium we will never see those kinds of games in Boone. I really think 35,000 seats with the ability to still sell some grass seats would be enough for us. A tough ticket at 30,000 to 35,000 would be better that a bunch of empty seats for most games.

How many season tickets do you thimk we would sale if we had a home game against ECU on the schedule? That would be the only people could guarantee themselves a ticket to the biggest game of the year.

[Saint3333]

70 you continue to beat that drum with no solution of how to pay for it.

Most schools borrow the money to enlarge their stadiums. You act like it is offensive to enlarge Kidd Brewer Stadium. If we do not accommodate people that want to go to games with seats then they will either not be attending or going to ETSU games in the future.

With all due respect that is exactly what worries some of us. Borrowing the money is not the question. The question is how do you pay for it. Borrowing money is not the answer to his statement.

It is offensive to buy things you can't afford. I exercise this is my personal life and hope my university does as well. We aren't the government and can raise the debt ceiling, we have to pay our debts.

[Saint3333]

FOR YOU SAINT - I know you are numbers man and it seems no one knows the status of the current debt from the previous enhancement campaign - Do you remember if there was a set time put forth to pay off that debt? - How much was that one in the beginning? and what would be your guess for the cost of say adding 5k seats incrementally? ---

These are all assumptions based upon the figures available to the public and should not be taken as facts:

I don't know, but I would imagine it would be a 10 year bond. Based upon the USA Today numbers the building/facility expenses were $3.6M for 2013, which is a significant increase from 2012. I would assume the money raised from tickets sold to boxes/club level and yes the money from the bank tickets sold were used to pay some of the debt down.

The original amount of the project was $60M, 50% from donations, 50% from fees. We raised ~$20M as of a few months prior to building it, but that was the last number made public via goasu. The actual amount of the projects was north of $60M so the actual amount borrowed is unknown to me.

As to the cost of adding 5k seats. That could be done for a few million, but to do it the right way with a long-term multi-phase approach would be twice the cost.

Do we not have an architect among us to draw up a multi-phase plan?

[WVAPPeer]

thanks for the info Saint ---

I could maybe help with the architectural drawings - is there any math involved???

[EastHallApp]

I must say it is hard for me to buy the argument that we need 30,000 actual seats to draw a quality G5 or lower-level P5 when I see something like Wake playing at ULM this year. Sure they have more actual seats than KBS, but how many fans is Wake going to bring to Monroe, LA anyway? A few hundred?

I realize they'd bring more to Boone (and that the bigger issue is probably that they just don't want to play us), but what about similar out of state programs? How many tickets would we realistically have to guarantee someone like, say, Boston College or Kansas?

Every team in the Belt has 30, 000+ seats except for G. Southern and us. Most of them have scheduled BCS teams at home. I would imagine we could schedule a team such as BC now, but we would likely be turning away our own fans for an ACC game. If we were to play Wake we could easily get 35, 000+ in KBS. Im not saying we will schedule a team like that anytime soon, but if we do our current seating won't be enough.

If you aren't turning away some fans for your biggest game of the year, you either need more fans or fewer seats. You think everyone who wants a ticket to Alabama-Auburn or OSU-Michigan gets one? Or Duke-UNC basketball?

[App91]

Fish - all of this facility talk is just like the move to the SunBelt that you trumpet -

IT'S DONE - GET OVER IT - GET ON BOARD - LOOK FORWARD,NOT BACKWARD!!!

Amen, and Amen!

[Kgfish]

Wow Fish - you can dish it out but can't take much can you? --- Of course you are wrong about a couple of things - I was never against the move up only preferred a regional conference - if you don't believe that then contact your friend in Boone and ask him - we discussed it many many times and he knows how I felt ---

Some people are not happy unless they are bitching ---

I can take a lot, but one thing I won't take is an interloper telling me what I should and should not accept for my university. Don't insult everyone's intelligence attempting to use a play on words. You have never been in favor of moving up making post after post lamenting the loss of the playoffs, ability to win a national championship, national rankings, losing rivalries with SoCon teams and on and on. It's comical you even attempt to take that position.

I have a lot of friends in Boone but I've yet to meet one who said they know you.

[WVAPPeer]

Wow Fish - you can dish it out but can't take much can you? --- Of course you are wrong about a couple of things - I was never against the move up only preferred a regional conference - if you don't believe that then contact your friend in Boone and ask him - we discussed it many many times and he knows how I felt ---

Some people are not happy unless they are bitching ---

I can take a lot, but one thing I won't take is an interloper telling me what I should and should not accept for my university. Don't insult everyone's intelligence attempting to use a play on words. You have never been in favor of moving up making post after post lamenting the loss of the playoffs, ability to win a national championship, national rankings, losing rivalries with SoCon teams and on and on. It's comical you even attempt to take that position.

I have a lot of friends in Boone but I've yet to meet one who said they know you.

Sure you have (one fan doesn't have to meet another fan in person to share info) --- And yes I did say that I would miss the playoffs, playing for a national championship, losing rivalries (like many other fans of ASU) but I NEVER flat-out said I was against moving up PERIOD -

[ASUMountaineer]

My whole question is not about expansion. If we need seats and our past expansions are paid for then let's see where we can find the money for another expansion. My problem is with expansion for one game a year. I have yet to hear that we need seats for the season. All I hear is that we need them for an individual game. So we need 5k empty seats for the other 5 games?

I think the idea is that we currently sell more tickets than we have seats for, hence the use of the bank for sitting. With that said, I think that there are fans that choose to sit on the hill. I don't think we need to break ground tomorrow on expansion, but I do think there is an "every-game" need to go to 30,000 but not unless a master plan is develop for an initial expansion and potential future expansion. I think the idea is to be as proactive as possible to avoid being reactive.

I am not convinced we have the every game need but I do agree with you. We do need a well thought out master plan. One that studies the every game need, as you may be right, it may be there. One that looks at future expansion possibilities. One that looks at cost, timeline, how it gets paid for, and how it effects the athletic program in total. One that has a strong and binding financial commitment before ever raising the first hammer. The very first part of that study though needs to be the plan to pay for expansion and athletic department commitments already made. I understand that the balance on the last expansion seems to be some sort of secret but there is agreement that there is a balance. It needs to be included in the plan.

We agree.

[ASUMountaineer]

FOR YOU SAINT - I know you are numbers man and it seems no one knows the status of the current debt from the previous enhancement campaign - Do you remember if there was a set time put forth to pay off that debt? - How much was that one in the beginning? and what would be your guess for the cost of say adding 5k seats incrementally? ---

These are all assumptions based upon the figures available to the public and should not be taken as facts:

I don't know, but I would imagine it would be a 10 year bond. Based upon the USA Today numbers the building/facility expenses were $3.6M for 2013, which is a significant increase from 2012. I would assume the money raised from tickets sold to boxes/club level and yes the money from the bank tickets sold were used to pay some of the debt down.

The original amount of the project was $60M, 50% from donations, 50% from fees. We raised ~$20M as of a few months prior to building it, but that was the last number made public via goasu. The actual amount of the projects was north of $60M so the actual amount borrowed is unknown to me.

As to the cost of adding 5k seats. That could be done for a few million, but to do it the right way with a long-term multi-phase approach would be twice the cost.

Do we not have an architect among us to draw up a multi-phase plan?

How much of the "Campaign for Appalachian" funds are set aside for athletics, and will those funds be used to pay down existing debt?

[Appftw]

FOR YOU SAINT - I know you are numbers man and it seems no one knows the status of the current debt from the previous enhancement campaign - Do you remember if there was a set time put forth to pay off that debt? - How much was that one in the beginning? and what would be your guess for the cost of say adding 5k seats incrementally? ---

These are all assumptions based upon the figures available to the public and should not be taken as facts:

I don't know, but I would imagine it would be a 10 year bond. Based upon the USA Today numbers the building/facility expenses were $3.6M for 2013, which is a significant increase from 2012. I would assume the money raised from tickets sold to boxes/club level and yes the money from the bank tickets sold were used to pay some of the debt down.

The original amount of the project was $60M, 50% from donations, 50% from fees. We raised ~$20M as of a few months prior to building it, but that was the last number made public via goasu. The actual amount of the projects was north of $60M so the actual amount borrowed is unknown to me.

As to the cost of adding 5k seats. That could be done for a few million, but to do it the right way with a long-term multi-phase approach would be twice the cost.

Do we not have an architect among us to draw up a multi-phase plan?

How much of the "Campaign for Appalachian" funds are set aside for athletics, and will those funds be used to pay down existing debt?

50 million dollars, if I remember correctly but the pie chart is out there somewhere. With the Campaign drawing to a close, we should be just about to ready to improve facilities. For me, the only way to do it right would be to demolish all of the existing stands and start anew. Otherwise we will continue to get a piecemeal, disjointed look. We can get up to 30,000 seats if we horseshoe in the Owens side and that would allow us to still keep the hill for overflow seating.