The Sun Belt Teams Coming to Boone 2014/15

[Yosef10]

Yeah, seriously, just stop

[ASUMountaineer]

Scott and staff have improved in every facet of their positions sans winning games in under 18 months on the job.

Recruiting has improved - the process at the FBS level is more intense and time consuming and they hit the ground running. I certainly did not expect the results they were able to achieve (beating peers for recruits) in year one.

Academics have improved - the football team GPA is higher

Community outreach has improved - love reading about what the student athletes are doing in this regard

This plus the move to the FBS has provided Scott and staff IMO four years to see what they can do. Way too early to even bring up a win number for a given year or it's time to move on.

Exactly. The number one or number 2 recruiting class in the Sun Belt, and someone mentions throwing him out if he doesn't win 5-6 games. Unreal.

[Gonzo]

He's new to the board, and seems relatively new to the Black and Gold. Of course most of the learned MMBers know how absurd it would be to fire Satt this season, but this poster's sentiments will likely be reflected in most of the 30,000 fans in Kidd Brewer Stadium this fall. The die hard know better, but the average sports fan seeks immediate gratification and has no clue how the process works.

I'm expecting 4-6 wins and I will be content with that, but anything short and prepare yourselves to hear a whole lot of "fire satt" talk. It's just the nature of the beast.

[Yosef10]

Haha I was just looking at his posts, he said himself that at minimum satt needed a "couple years". He's had a change of heart since may it seems

[bcoach]

He's new to the board, and seems relatively new to the Black and Gold. Of course most of the learned MMBers know how absurd it would be to fire Satt this season, but this poster's sentiments will likely be reflected in most of the 30,000 fans in Kidd Brewer Stadium this fall. The die hard know better, but the average sports fan seeks immediate gratification and has no clue how the process works.

I'm expecting 4-6 wins and I will be content with that, but anything short and prepare yourselves to hear a whole lot of "fire satt" talk. It's just the nature of the beast.

Anything short of 4 wins would have me highly upset, I mean really smoking, BUT to fire any coach in any conference after two seasons is just plain stupid. Well if he murdered someone maybe but not on a won loss record.

[moehler]

As weird as this sounds, wins are not the most important thing this year. What is important is we see growth, by both the staff and the players, and a solid foundation being laid down this year so we can win championships Sadly, you are correct the majority of the fans will measure success/failure by how many wins we get, and you better believe the people who didn't want us to move up in first place, are really going to raise hell, and do alot of "I told you so, we don't belong in the FBS". We just got to remember, we are building towards a championship, it cant be achieved in one year, we just got to keep moving forward.

[JTApps1]

Let's also remember we went 4-8 against lesser competition last year.

We will be better this year, but that doesn't mean our record will improve.

Yeah, I'm not ready to say we win six, and to be honest I'm not that concerned about number of wins. I want to look for improvement--from the coaches and the players. If we win six, then Scott and his staff have done a TREMENDOUS job of getting the right players and schemes down--even if two of those wins are against FCS teams.

I'm in the same boat. I want to see us improve and compete better this year against a tougher schedule. That is the key to setting the foundation for our program in FBS.

[AppState89]

LOL Sat is only going to get better. Fire him after two years would be like the fans not showing up next year after this season. That's what the fans will be saying this year, WE SUCK WE SUCK. Well, fans we are playing a lot better teams. I JUST DON'T GET IT!!!!! The freaking teams are going to be a lot better than what he have EVER played. Bet ya $1,000,000 Michigan can't win the Sun Belt this year???

[AppAttack]

If we are competitive in the games and not getting trounced, then that is the main thing. Show signs of growth and improvement. The wins and losses will take care of themselves.

[GreatAppSt]

Beat UM again and I really would not mind losing out the rest of the transition testing new schemes and building a great depth of players with game time experience to bring home next seasons SB championship banner.

[luvyosef]

6-6.

[bigCasu]

Everyone has great ideas about how we need to look this year, whether that be by improvement or win total, but its not that simple. Winning somewhere in that 4-6 range will be nice, but its all about the makeup. Are we gonna hang our hats and be happy about 4 wins, all at home over 2 FCS programs and the like of Idaho or Ga State? I dont feel good about that. But if its four wins and one of them is GaSou and a road game that we shouldnt win, it might look better. I think four is the absolute minimum number of games we can win, regardless of who we beat. We can be 4-8 in two straight years, and be a better team in the second year, but nobody will notice. It's imperative to win five games, somehow, but I dont think we are anywhere close to looking at replacing the head coach if that occurs. 2015 is SS's true judgment year.

[AppState2014]

Scott and staff have improved in every facet of their positions sans winning games in under 18 months on the job.

Recruiting has improved - the process at the FBS level is more intense and time consuming and they hit the ground running. I certainly did not expect the results they were able to achieve (beating peers for recruits) in year one.

Academics have improved - the football team GPA is higher

Community outreach has improved - love reading about what the student athletes are doing in this regard

This plus the move to the FBS has provided Scott and staff IMO four years to see what they can do. Way too early to even bring up a win number for a given year or it's time to move on.

Exactly. The number one or number 2 recruiting class in the Sun Belt, and someone mentions throwing him out if he doesn't win 5-6 games. Unreal.

I agree with everything you said except two minor tweaks.

1. The better recruits are going to happen no matter what once we moved up. We don't know if we are #1 or #2 in the Sun Belt in recruiting yet because no games are played. Don't put too much stock in a website where you don't know anything about those doing the rankings. Based on those very rankings you mention the following players were unrated, meaning no stars: Armanti Edwards, Brian Quick, Mark LeGree, Kerry Brown, DJ Smith, Jason Hunter, Marques Murrell, Corey Lynch, etc, etc. I could keep going but you get my point. Every single player we sign now will be rated 2 or 3 star, at the minimum, because we moved up. If we had been FBS back in 2004-2009 then all of those players I mentioned would have been 2 or 3 star.

2. If he had a winning season last year, then yes I would say he has at least 3 years in the Sun Belt to win but if we only win 2 or 3 games this year, Scott Satterfield will not be retained. There is no way you can justify that because while I love the improvements in other things and I like Scott a lot, you don't have back to back losing seasons in Boone, NC and return as head coach. I'm not saying he has to win 7 or 8 games but I think he has to win at least 5 to keep his job. Scott has been told there must be improvements on the field this year. If we are 2-10 and get blown out in 4-6 games then he will not be back. I don't think that will happen though. I would be completely shocked if that happened.

With those two points made, I want to be very clear I'm pulling for Scott and I don't think that will happen. I expect 5 wins this year and anything more will be just that much better. The sad thing is that getting out in the community, the good GPAs, going to class, etc. are all things that we should not praise because there is no excuse not to have that anyway. I really like what Scott has been doing off the field and I know he is a very good recruiter. What Scott has improved so far are things that should have never fallen off. Jerry Moore allowed those things to fall but he won games.

Two things to always keep in mind.

1. We could have all the corruption in the world going on but if we are winning 10 plus games a year and the NCAA is not coming down on us, then nobody is going to complain. Just look at programs like Alabama, South Carolina, etc as examples of what I just said.

2. We could be the best example of class and all else off the field but if we are winning just 2 or 3 games a year then the head coach will lose his job.

Those two things are just how the world works. I'm not saying it's fair and I do think there is something to be said for graduating players, running a clean program, and at least winning 5-6 games or more a year but App State is a winning program and losing is not acceptable to anyone.

The recruits we are getting, not all but most, seem to be much better than what we got in FCS. I would say we signed about 15-17 or so last year we would not have gotten if we had not moved up.

I think Scott wins 5 games this year and then 2015, like BigC said, is probably going to be the make or break for whether Scott is renewed or not. There is just no reasonable argument anyone can give me if our only wins this year were to be Campbell, Liberty, and Georgia State. That's not going to cut it and we all know that.

[moonshine]

I'll bet you 2-2015 season tickets that if App only wins 2 or 3 games in 2014 and there are no off the field issues that SS will be retained. It's completely absurd to think otherwise. You make comparisons with the Bama's and Cocks of the world when we're not even on the same level. They can afford to fire a coach and still pay him while signing a new multi-million dollar contract for a new coach...App cannot!

SS will get a minimum of 3 years and should get to finish out his 5 (???) year contract assuming there are no major issues. Fans should withhold judgment until a coach has all of his own players that he and his staff recruited.

[BeauFoster]

Ok...is 2014 for real or just some cant fan trolling?

[ASUMountaineer]

Scott and staff have improved in every facet of their positions sans winning games in under 18 months on the job.

Recruiting has improved - the process at the FBS level is more intense and time consuming and they hit the ground running. I certainly did not expect the results they were able to achieve (beating peers for recruits) in year one.

Academics have improved - the football team GPA is higher

Community outreach has improved - love reading about what the student athletes are doing in this regard

This plus the move to the FBS has provided Scott and staff IMO four years to see what they can do. Way too early to even bring up a win number for a given year or it's time to move on.

Exactly. The number one or number 2 recruiting class in the Sun Belt, and someone mentions throwing him out if he doesn't win 5-6 games. Unreal.

I agree with everything you said except two minor tweaks.

1. The better recruits are going to happen no matter what once we moved up. We don't know if we are #1 or #2 in the Sun Belt in recruiting yet because no games are played. Don't put too much stock in a website where you don't know anything about those doing the rankings. Based on those very rankings you mention the following players were unrated, meaning no stars: Armanti Edwards, Brian Quick, Mark LeGree, Kerry Brown, DJ Smith, Jason Hunter, Marques Murrell, Corey Lynch, etc, etc. I could keep going but you get my point. Every single player we sign now will be rated 2 or 3 star, at the minimum, because we moved up. If we had been FBS back in 2004-2009 then all of those players I mentioned would have been 2 or 3 star.

2. If he had a winning season last year, then yes I would say he has at least 3 years in the Sun Belt to win but if we only win 2 or 3 games this year, Scott Satterfield will not be retained. There is no way you can justify that because while I love the improvements in other things and I like Scott a lot, you don't have back to back losing seasons in Boone, NC and return as head coach. I'm not saying he has to win 7 or 8 games but I think he has to win at least 5 to keep his job. Scott has been told there must be improvements on the field this year. If we are 2-10 and get blown out in 4-6 games then he will not be back. I don't think that will happen though. I would be completely shocked if that happened.

With those two points made, I want to be very clear I'm pulling for Scott and I don't think that will happen. I expect 5 wins this year and anything more will be just that much better. The sad thing is that getting out in the community, the good GPAs, going to class, etc. are all things that we should not praise because there is no excuse not to have that anyway. I really like what Scott has been doing off the field and I know he is a very good recruiter. What Scott has improved so far are things that should have never fallen off. Jerry Moore allowed those things to fall but he won games.

Two things to always keep in mind.

1. We could have all the corruption in the world going on but if we are winning 10 plus games a year and the NCAA is not coming down on us, then nobody is going to complain. Just look at programs like Alabama, South Carolina, etc as examples of what I just said.

2. We could be the best example of class and all else off the field but if we are winning just 2 or 3 games a year then the head coach will lose his job.

Those two things are just how the world works. I'm not saying it's fair and I do think there is something to be said for graduating players, running a clean program, and at least winning 5-6 games or more a year but App State is a winning program and losing is not acceptable to anyone.

The recruits we are getting, not all but most, seem to be much better than what we got in FCS. I would say we signed about 15-17 or so last year we would not have gotten if we had not moved up.

I think Scott wins 5 games this year and then 2015, like BigC said, is probably going to be the make or break for whether Scott is renewed or not. There is just no reasonable argument anyone can give me if our only wins this year were to be Campbell, Liberty, and Georgia State. That's not going to cut it and we all know that.

Coach Satt has one year under his belt, and has yet to have a season where he can coach for a postseason. His first season was a transition year coaching the previous coach's players, and his second year will be a transition year with the toughest schedule--maybe ever. No other App State coach has had to follow a legend while moving up in classification--different situations call for different actions. Of course, I see that you will discredit anything positive Coach Satt has done in his one year as a HC, so there's not much of a reason for discussion here.

[bcoach]

I'll bet you 2-2015 season tickets that if App only wins 2 or 3 games in 2014 and there are no off the field issues that SS will be retained. It's completely absurd to think otherwise. You make comparisons with the Bama's and Cocks of the world when we're not even on the same level. They can afford to fire a coach and still pay him while signing a new multi-million dollar contract for a new coach...App cannot!

SS will get a minimum of 3 years and should get to finish out his 5 (???) year contract assuming there are no major issues. Fans should withhold judgment until a coach has all of his own players that he and his staff recruited.

I'll go you one better. If SS is fired for his record this year( no matter how mad that record may make me ) you can have my 2015 ticket. I can't speak for the rest of my group.

[bcoach]

Ok...is 2014 for real or just some cant fan trolling?

Must be for real as he knows what Scott has been told

[AppState2014]

Haha I was just looking at his posts, he said himself that at minimum satt needed a "couple years". He's had a change of heart since may it seems

I said a couple years and last year was year one. I'm not saying I'll want him out and I'm not saying he should go but yes like someone else said, there will be many wanting him gone. I meant he had two years, no matter what, and as long as we don't appear to get worse in terms of coaching, he will get a third. I don't think 2016 is guaranteed and while I think 2015 is going to happen for Scott, I don't think that a 2-10 season will not get him to 2015. I'm not sure why we are arguing about it though because it would take awful coaching for us not to win at least 3 or 4 games.

In regards to the 30k comment hopefully we are back near that this year and attendance doesn't start off where it finished last season.

Others have said it on here and I think anyone who has a friend in the athletic department knows that the fact is Scott was told there has to be improvement on the field. A 1 or 2 win season will not allow him to retain his job. Anyone who expects 7 or 8 wins is crazy but 4-5 is not crazy. We should win 4 by default and I think Scott is going to get us 5, with 1 or 2 real close ones that we will walk away saying a field goal here and there and we would have had a shot to win 6 or 7. I

I think he wins 5 games and I'm perfectly happy with that. It shows improvement and not only that it sets us up to be bowl eligible in 2015. To me, 2015 is most important because it's the first time we are bowl eligible.

[moonshine]

I think everyone should look at our roster and really project what we should do in 2016 because that's the first year we are bowl eligible and it's the year that most matters to me for the coaches.

App is bowl eligible in 2015 and IIRC, App can make a bowl in 2014 if App wins the conference and every program in the Sun Belt wets the bed and there are not enough bowl eligible teams. I imagine the likelihood of this happening at less than 1% but there is a chance! (insert dumb & dumber)