I like winning but....

[CheckYosef94]

I was listening to the post game show the other week (after the South Alabama game I believe) and I heard the interview with SS. He was saying something along the lines of having redshirted 20+ players this year and was trying to build a team for next year when we are bowl eligible. He was basically saying that since this year we were really only able to win a shared conf championship he had decided to wait and put his effort in building up a team that would be bowl eligible. I'm not trying to protect SS or anything, I really wish we had joined the Sunbelt with a bang but this kinda gives me hope for the future. And we also need to remember how hard it has to be not only to coach through a transition like this but also how hard it has to be to follow Coach Moore. GO APPS!!!

[AppAttack]

Then why did he pull the shirt off Meadors? Doesn't make much sense. He had to win yesterday. With our fan base, a disastrous season cannot happen. Everything could go downhill. He needed to win this year. Not sure he has the luxury to wait.

[CheckYosef94]

Then why did he pull the shirt off Meadors? Doesn't make much sense. He had to win yesterday. With our fan base, a disastrous season cannot happen. Everything could go downhill. He needed to win this year. Not sure he has the luxury to wait.

I agree, he did need to win. I don't understand all of SS's reasoning but maybe he pulled the shirt off Meadors because he hoped it would help us win (obviously didn't happen). But we need to remember that SS is human, he is allowed to make mistakes (as painful as it may be for us fans). I'm just trying to remain hopeful and listening to what SS said the other week helped me stay that way.

[luvyosef]

Then why did he pull the shirt off Meadors? Doesn't make much sense. He had to win yesterday. With our "fickle, impatient, and fair-feather " fan base, a disastrous season cannot happen. Everything could go downhill. He needed to win this year. Not sure he has the luxury to wait.

FIFY. Go Apps!

[App91]

Then why did he pull the shirt off Meadors? Doesn't make much sense. He had to win yesterday. With our "fickle, impatient, and fair-feather " fan base, a disastrous season cannot happen. Everything could go downhill. He needed to win this year. Not sure he has the luxury to wait.

FIFY. Go Apps!

"Fickle, Impatient and fair -(w)feather fan base..."
Wow, 5-13 record, getting WORSE each week, showing NO signs of improving. Gosh I would have to see what a patient person would put up with.

[MJ1988]

91, according to some we need to be willing to lose to any and everyone for at least 2 years and then we can start expecting to beat some FCS teams and some really bad Sunbelt teams. By that time we will be sitting in KBS with about10000 and all our momentum will be lost. For the sake of the program, we need to expect much more.

[appst89]

There is a difference in being willing to endure growing pains and being accepting of regression.

[AppSt94]

91, according to some we need to be willing to lose to any and everyone for at least 2 years and then we can start expecting to beat some FCS teams and some really bad Sunbelt teams. By that time we will be sitting in KBS with about10000 and all our momentum will be lost. For the sake of the program, we need to expect much more.

What is this momentum that you speak of losing? Have you not noticed that our losses per year have been on the increase over the last 5 years?

[IGgreer]

I hate Satterfield's offensive philosophy, but I'm willing to give him a chance AS LONG as he continues to recruit at a level consistent with his first Sun Belt class.

Jimmy's and Joes > X's & O's

[SpeedkingATL]

I hate Satterfield's offensive philosophy, but I'm willing to give him a chance AS LONG as he continues to recruit at a level consistent with his first Sun Belt class.

Jimmy's and Joes > X's & O's

I agree but it's the defensive philosophy that has me really puzzled.

[appbio91]

I was listening to the post game show the other week (after the South Alabama game I believe) and I heard the interview with SS. He was saying something along the lines of having redshirted 20+ players this year and was trying to build a team for next year when we are bowl eligible. He was basically saying that since this year we were really only able to win a shared conf championship he had decided to wait and put his effort in building up a team that would be bowl eligible. I'm not trying to protect SS or anything, I really wish we had joined the Sunbelt with a bang but this kinda gives me hope for the future. And we also need to remember how hard it has to be not only to coach through a transition like this but also how hard it has to be to follow Coach Moore. GO APPS!!!

So we're going to throw rotten meat on the grill two years in row because you know what, it just doesn't matter. But please keep coming to the BBQ.

[MJ1988]

91, according to some we need to be willing to lose to any and everyone for at least 2 years and then we can start expecting to beat some FCS teams and some really bad Sunbelt teams. By that time we will be sitting in KBS with about10000 and all our momentum will be lost. For the sake of the program, we need to expect much more.

What is this momentum that you speak of losing? Have you not noticed that our losses per year have been on the increase over the last 5 years?

I think we still had some momentum left from 05,06 and 07. If you talk to folks who don't really follow App football they still think we're good.

[NewApp]

91, according to some we need to be willing to lose to any and everyone for at least 2 years and then we can start expecting to beat some FCS teams and some really bad Sunbelt teams. By that time we will be sitting in KBS with about10000 and all our momentum will be lost. For the sake of the program, we need to expect much more.

What is this momentum that you speak of losing? Have you not noticed that our losses per year have been on the increase over the last 5 years?

I think you exaggerate about the extent of our losses per year drop off. Sure you can point to the numbers and be right, but did we go from mediocre to sukking during hat time? I didn't expect Satterfield to work miracles but did expect him to compensate for what had been a decline. I agree with red shirting, but not putting all his eggs in one basket just for the sake of making a statement in 2016. He is cheating the present juniors and seniors by forcing them to play for one of the worst teams in decades while he is supposed to have had the best recruiting efforts in decades wearing red shirts There has to be a balance. The fans have been cheated as well. I would rather have had this year and last at .500 than some spark plug bowl in 2016. Regardless, as I have said before, we shouldn't even be mentioning firing Satterfield until his four year contract is up. We need a lame duck coach like we need a hole in the head. Moore did damn well his last four years as well as 2004 considering the fans made him a lame duck those years by continually harping on his age and how he should be fired. Opposing recruiters love using those aspects against us when pitching their situation. How we landed all those pre NFL types during those years, I'll never know.

[Black Saturday]

91, according to some we need to be willing to lose to any and everyone for at least 2 years and then we can start expecting to beat some FCS teams and some really bad Sunbelt teams. By that time we will be sitting in KBS with about10000 and all our momentum will be lost. For the sake of the program, we need to expect much more.

For the sake of the program, that should have been addressed 5-6 years ago. No excuses.

[WVAPPeer]

I hate Satterfield's offensive philosophy, but I'm willing to give him a chance AS LONG as he continues to recruit at a level consistent with his first Sun Belt class.

Jimmy's and Joes > X's & O's

Other than the end of the game decisions - what do you hate about it?
We put up 630 yards of total offense in the game which was almost 200 yards more than North Carolina put up against Liberty
We are not going to the post-season (everyone knows that) - we are going to win the SB title (everyone can figure that) and while wins are important to the psyche, this season they really mean nothing - Overall record is nothing more than bragging rights this season - Therefore, those who really care about how this team is progressing need to look deeper than the final score / overall record --- I just gave one example --- Let's hear some others ---

[AppSt94]

91, according to some we need to be willing to lose to any and everyone for at least 2 years and then we can start expecting to beat some FCS teams and some really bad Sunbelt teams. By that time we will be sitting in KBS with about10000 and all our momentum will be lost. For the sake of the program, we need to expect much more.

What is this momentum that you speak of losing? Have you not noticed that our losses per year have been on the increase over the last 5 years?

I think you exaggerate about the extent of our losses per year drop off. Sure you can point to the numbers and be right, but did we go from mediocre to sukking during hat time? I didn't expect Satterfield to work miracles but did expect him to compensate for what had been a decline. I agree with red shirting, but not putting all his eggs in one basket just for the sake of making a statement in 2016. He is cheating the present juniors and seniors by forcing them to play for one of the worst teams in decades while he is supposed to have had the best recruiting efforts in decades wearing red shirts There has to be a balance. The fans have been cheated as well. I would rather have had this year and last at .500 than some spark plug bowl in 2016. Regardless, as I have said before, we shouldn't even be mentioning firing Satterfield until his four year contract is up. We need a lame duck coach like we need a hole in the head. Moore did damn well his last four years as well as 2004 considering the fans made him a lame duck those years by continually harping on his age and how he should be fired. Opposing recruiters love using those aspects against us when pitching their situation. How we landed all those pre NFL types during those years, I'll never know.

I'm not exaggerating the extent of losses per year. They are fact and you can look them up for yourself. Over the past five years we have either had the same number of losses or more than the previous season. That is not progress. I'm sorry that you feel that the Juniors and Seniors and fans are being cheated but things don't always work out the way you want them to. The fact that you think Moore did "Damn well" his last four years is laughable. You mentioned that you would rather be around .500 than go to a bowl game in 2016. What I take from that is you would rather have mediocrity than suck now and be better for the future. Fair point as one is better than the other. But I would say that we have already experienced such a time in App Football. We are now paying for the mediocrity in recruiting and coaching over the last 5 seasons.

[Black Saturday]

91, according to some we need to be willing to lose to any and everyone for at least 2 years and then we can start expecting to beat some FCS teams and some really bad Sunbelt teams. By that time we will be sitting in KBS with about10000 and all our momentum will be lost. For the sake of the program, we need to expect much more.

What is this momentum that you speak of losing? Have you not noticed that our losses per year have been on the increase over the last 5 years?

I think you exaggerate about the extent of our losses per year drop off. Sure you can point to the numbers and be right, but did we go from mediocre to sukking during hat time? I didn't expect Satterfield to work miracles but did expect him to compensate for what had been a decline. I agree with red shirting, but not putting all his eggs in one basket just for the sake of making a statement in 2016. He is cheating the present juniors and seniors by forcing them to play for one of the worst teams in decades while he is supposed to have had the best recruiting efforts in decades wearing red shirts There has to be a balance. The fans have been cheated as well. I would rather have had this year and last at .500 than some spark plug bowl in 2016. Regardless, as I have said before, we shouldn't even be mentioning firing Satterfield until his four year contract is up. We need a lame duck coach like we need a hole in the head. Moore did damn well his last four years as well as 2004 considering the fans made him a lame duck those years by continually harping on his age and how he should be fired. Opposing recruiters love using those aspects against us when pitching their situation. How we landed all those pre NFL types during those years, I'll never know.

Jim Grobe did a hell of a job at Wake redshirting in order to compete. With the evolving college football landscape, APP has a tall order now just having to compete with the Big 4 and ECU for in state top tier talent, that can be extrapolated to other football recruiting geographic areas too. Getting the hidden gems won't work anymore in 85 scholarship football, as it did in 63 scholarship football, we just will not be able to get enough to make a difference to play our new schedules. Understanding where APP stands in the football world, as Grobe did at Wake, paying up front is what we have to do, since the cupboard was left nearly bare. For now I'm buying into what I think is a must of wholesale redshirting, taking everything into consideration. Time tells all.

[NewApp]

91, according to some we need to be willing to lose to any and everyone for at least 2 years and then we can start expecting to beat some FCS teams and some really bad Sunbelt teams. By that time we will be sitting in KBS with about10000 and all our momentum will be lost. For the sake of the program, we need to expect much more.

What is this momentum that you speak of losing? Have you not noticed that our losses per year have been on the increase over the last 5 years?

I think you exaggerate about the extent of our losses per year drop off. Sure you can point to the numbers and be right, but did we go from mediocre to sukking during hat time? I didn't expect Satterfield to work miracles but did expect him to compensate for what had been a decline. I agree with red shirting, but not putting all his eggs in one basket just for the sake of making a statement in 2016. He is cheating the present juniors and seniors by forcing them to play for one of the worst teams in decades while he is supposed to have had the best recruiting efforts in decades wearing red shirts There has to be a balance. The fans have been cheated as well. I would rather have had this year and last at .500 than some spark plug bowl in 2016. Regardless, as I have said before, we shouldn't even be mentioning firing Satterfield until his four year contract is up. We need a lame duck coach like we need a hole in the head. Moore did damn well his last four years as well as 2004 considering the fans made him a lame duck those years by continually harping on his age and how he should be fired. Opposing recruiters love using those aspects against us when pitching their situation. How we landed all those pre NFL types during those years, I'll never know.

I'm not exaggerating the extent of losses per year. They are fact and you can look them up for yourself. Over the past five years we have either had the same number of losses or more than the previous season. That is not progress. I'm sorry that you feel that the Juniors and Seniors and fans are being cheated but things don't always work out the way you want them to. The fact that you think Moore did "Damn well" his last four years is laughable. You mentioned that you would rather be around .500 than go to a bowl game in 2016. What I take from that is you would rather have mediocrity than suck now and be better for the future. Fair point as one is better than the other. But I would say that we have already experienced such a time in App Football. We are now paying for the mediocrity in recruiting and coaching over the last 5 seasons.

1. Where did I say "moore did damn well" ?? I said he did damn well considering he was a lame duck and should have added, his assistants were jumping ship due to the writing on the wall.
2. Where did I say "mediocrity because at this point in time, comparatively, .500 wouldn't be mediocre.
3. The caliber of bowl we are likely to be able to "rise to" doesn't excite me considering the hell we are putting ourselves through now. Can you say "masochism?"

[AppSt94]

I'm not exaggerating the extent of losses per year. They are fact and you can look them up for yourself. Over the past five years we have either had the same number of losses or more than the previous season. That is not progress. I'm sorry that you feel that the Juniors and Seniors and fans are being cheated but things don't always work out the way you want them to. The fact that you think Moore did "Damn well" his last four years is laughable. You mentioned that you would rather be around .500 than go to a bowl game in 2016. What I take from that is you would rather have mediocrity than suck now and be better for the future. Fair point as one is better than the other. But I would say that we have already experienced such a time in App Football. We are now paying for the mediocrity in recruiting and coaching over the last 5 seasons.

1. Where did I say "moore did damn well" ?? I said he did damn well considering he was a lame duck and should have added, his assistants were jumping ship due to the writing on the wall.
2. Where did I say "mediocrity because at this point in time, comparatively, .500 wouldn't be mediocre.
3. The caliber of bowl we are likely to be able to "rise to" doesn't excite me considering the hell we are putting ourselves through now. Can you say "masochism?"

1. Your comment was that Moore damn well the four years after the championship. How was Moore a lame duck coach? Did he work from 2004 to 2013 on one year contracts?
2. .500 is mediocrity. Sure .500 is better than what we have RIGHT now but you are seem convinced that this is the best that we are ever going to be.
3. It's unfortunate that you can't see that going to a bowl game by whatever name is a sign that you had a .500 or better record. I also feel bad for you that you think that this football team is putting you through hell. This is football not life.

[MtnDevil95]

I've mentioned it before, my parents are Iron Dukes and have had season tickets to Duke Football since the 1970's. I grew up in small town NC during the late 70's and 80's when Wal-Mart fans were ruthlessly mocking my Duke t-shirts I had the courage to wear to elementary school. Then a man named Krzyzweski came to Durham and the Blue Devil fanbase endured losing seasons in 2 0f his first 4 years. HIs 6th season set an NCAA record with 37 wins and a trip to the Championship game.

Don't even get me started on Duke Football between Spurrier's DB move and Coach Cut showing up . . .

I have my undergraduate degree from Appalachian State, and finished my Master's at Duke. I'm telling you guys right now, in many ways the App football fanbase has been spoiled pretty much since 1991. Should there be an expectation of better performance and more wins from the Mountaineers? You're daggone right there should be. Should there be an expectation that as this program moves up a level in competition and experiences some growing pains? Absofreakinglutely.

The off the field situation is less than ideal for a move that's monumentally difficult under the best of circumstances. A Hall of Fame coach has been replaced with a rookie. We have no AD. One of the least financially supported programs in the league. This is not going to be easy.

We will lose games we should win. We will lose the more fickle members of the fan base. At least UNC-CHeat is underperforming too so we may not see some of our fans jump for the babies in blue.

Satt has a 4-year contract. I honestly believe we should be looking for something in the 4-8 to 5-7 range by his last contracted season as a mark that he's going to get his feet up under him and be a decent to good ball coach. If he turns this team into a Bowl Bound program by his last contract year, he'll be hired away by a program with more money anyway.

Temper your expectations my fellow fans. Expect the best, and understand what it means at the same time.