"Give a Mountaineer a chance."

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Re: "Give a Mountaineer a chance."

Unread post by luvyosef » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:27 pm

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appstate77 wrote:I have a five year old grandson. His mother, grandmother and I do our best to discipline him and raise him correctly. Yet he still gets in trouble, gets frowny faces in school and has time outs at home. It will take him all of his first 18 years+ to grow up.

Scott Satterfield is an educator dealing with 18-22 year old kids, many of them who are Frosh, RFrosh, Sophs or RSophs who were high school all stars. They still think their flatulence doesn't stink. People whine about team discipline, remember "Yosef" at App. Did you always make good decisions? I didn't. I learned in my Psych classes in Boone that it takes us over 13 times to be exposed to a teaching before we hear and embrace it. Many of these kids are hearing football and life reality for the first time. (By the way are we hearing of any Sean Price type issues this season? Few if any.)

At the end of Saturday Evening Quarterback, DJ, answering a caller who threw SS totally under the bus , thoughtfully said the above; "Give a Mountaineer a chance." Scott is one of us.

He was given a four year contract for a reason. Our administration understands, still, that it takes a coach awhile to get his people and recruiting classes in place. Scott has/is dealing with: a new Chancellor, new AD, new conference, new classification, not to mention the awkward ending to JM's coaching term. The guy has taken on a large and burdensome task. I hope, dearly hope, that App never goes to the "win at all costs" philosophy that earns NCAA probations and sanctions. That would embarrass me much more than a 1-5 record.

Our former Dline coach Mark Speir in Cullowhee, whom I am proud to call friend, could count his wins from his first two years on one hand. In these years he got rid of the deadwood, installed his program brought in his classes and now look where he is. WCU is leading the SOCON and staring at a playoff berth.

"Give a Mountaineer a chance". I am and I shall. He is one of us, wears the same class ring that I wear. In a preseason presser Scott subtly asked us not to measure success this season in wins and losses, but the progress of his very young team. Scott knows what he has. I am guessing a one and five record is not that much of a surprise to him. What I am sure hurts him is some of us turning on him like last week's leftovers.

"Give a Mountaineer a chance"

Serving as chaplain for a professional sports league has taught me a lot. Much of what goes on we don't know and in some cases legally, cannot know. The outside perception is that the coaches, leadership etc. are incompetent. Nothing can be further from the truth. They know and they lose sleep, health, families and sanity trying to fix it.

"Give a Mountaineer a chance"

By 2016 I think we will be happy we did.
77, you and I graduated together and we saw the Brakefield years at 3-7-1, 6-5, and then the magical 8-3 year and then 6-4-1. I also heard the caller throw Satt, Beasley, the staff, the team, the film crew, the managers....all of them under the bus. I particularly liked how DJ very professionally and politely told him, besides "Give a Mountaineer a chance," to stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

I am a man of loyalty. My daddy always said that the boss isn't always right but the boss is always the boss. SS is the coach and may not always be right but he's always the coach until or unless his situation changes. I call on on all the nay-sayers, critics, so-called experts, and those bashing the team and its efforts to come back in two years. I firmly believe a tasty dish of BBQ'ed crow will be served and you or I will be eating it but I stand behind my Mountaineers and will bring the sauce for your eating pleasure.

If you're lucky enough to be a Mountaineer, you're lucky enough. Sorry, I stole this from another poster here but I truly believe it!
I have left Boone after witnessing App put a win on the board and have left dejected after witnessing a loss. Making that trip down 321 to I-85, long after DJ and Brownie have signed off, I've had times to reflect on the fact that what I just witnessed, whether good or bad in terms of the scoreboard, is not going to change the fact that the sun will still come up in the east and set in the west, that I will still have to go to work to pay my bills and provide for both me and the ones I love, and the fact that I have some decent friends and have certainly met some interesting people in my life, both good and bad.

These are 18-22 year old KIDS, yes KIDS. They are balancing love of a sport with the pressing demands to maintain good grades, all while trying to obtain a degree that, unfortunately in this day and age, doesn't guarantee anything. Little perspective folks. Hate me, call me sunshine pumper, I do not care. This is MY team and I will root for them whether they are 12-0 or 0-12. Go App!
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Re: "Give a Mountaineer a chance."

Unread post by BUTCH1991 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:39 pm

App91 wrote:I know coaches do not make the plays, but you can't change players, you can change the coach. I know he is not going to be fired, we cannot afford that.
But you can change the players, that's what we're trying to do and have to wait for all the redshirts to grow up and take over from the players that we currently have. Once these guys take over, if we still don't win, then it's on SS. Until then, I just think we're crazy to scream for a firing.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:05 pm

We started a lot of freshman and sophomores in 2004, anyone have the numbers on that?

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Re: "Give a Mountaineer a chance."

Unread post by MAD Doctor » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:13 pm

I will always support the Black and Gold with my attendance and money, but If yesterday wasn't rock bottom, I sure don't want to be around when we hit it. I was happy with the SS hire and have a pretty good grasp on the challenges he faces, but there has to be ACCOUNTABILITY and at least some degree of progress. I personally like Satt a great deal and would love to see him succeed, but I think this Mountaineer was "given a chance" when he was hired with no head coaching experience. It's now up to him to take advantage of the incredible opportunity, and lead the program to where it should go- a great challenge for sure, but Georgia Southern doesn't seem to be having any problems with it.
As far as complaining fans, I'd rather hear folks venting on a message board than accepting any "new normal" that views yesterday as anything other than a disgrace.

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Re: "Give a Mountaineer a chance."

Unread post by APPARJ » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:14 pm

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Our former Dline coach Mark Speir in Cullowhee, whom I am proud to call friend, could count his wins from his first two years on one hand. In these years he got rid of the deadwood, installed his program brought in his classes and now look where he is. WCU is leading the SOCON and staring at a playoff berth.
I think this is the best example of how to perceive where App State is right now so far.

The biggest difference is that Speir didn't have App State-esque expectations.

I hope the App State faithful will resist the urge to place unrealistic expectations on this team and the staff. The unfortunate reality is that many will not.

Saturday reminded me of an FCS playoff game. It was a shootout. Little defense. Both teams were of average to above average FCS skill.

In all seriousness, I believe we will be a true FBS team in 2016. We'll be bigger, stronger with more talent on the roster. But that will not happen quickly.

Keep the faith, Mountaineers. Brighter days are ahead.
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Re: "Give a Mountaineer a chance."

Unread post by NewApp » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:21 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:"IMO, right now, to voice any support is to accept what we see happening."

91, my friend, I can tell you are extremely upset and I would say everyone of us is in some level of disappointment. You have stated as I have, Satterfield is not going to be fired. When things are really tough is when those who are struggling need the support. If, in some cases, those who aren't working hard, not caring, giving up, going thru the motions possibly don't deserve our support. I honestly don't believe this is the case with APP football. When our children struggle we don't kick them to the curb, when they have problems we don't say forget it, you aren't worth it. I am not equating raising children to supporting a football team but if we care about our team, school, etc., we don't dump them when they need us the most --- I addressed this to you, but I don't mean you singularly --- It might be later this season, next year or possibly the year after but these young guys will turn this around ---
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Unread post by diehardapp18 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:16 am

I'll support whoever is in charge of this program

Losing to Liberty is unacceptable but it's easy to forget how young we are. What I want to see is Scott toughen up and take a stand. If the defense doesn't improve significantly by the end of the year he needs to get rid of Woody.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:38 am

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Unread post by huskie3 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:26 am

I do not get all this "average FCS" caliber players some are suddenly spouting. For years all we heard was 'we have above average FCS players that slipped through the cracks'. How do they lose talent just because we are now FBS?

Offensively we are there. Defensively, we need to learn to get to the ball better.

As fans we need to be more patient. We are playing in reality not in fantasy where you can replace your players every week.

I have been with APP football long enough to remember the move from NAIA to NCAA and the drop off in wins for a few years while we grew into that new position. We survived and thrived. After the set back to D-1AA, we survived and thrived. We will do so after this change, just have faith!
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:47 am

huskie3 wrote:I do not get all this "average FCS" caliber players some are suddenly spouting. For years all we heard was 'we have above average FCS players that slipped through the cracks'. How do they lose talent just because we are now FBS?

Offensively we are there. Defensively, we need to learn to get to the ball better.

As fans we need to be more patient. We are playing in reality not in fantasy where you can replace your players every week.

I have been with APP football long enough to remember the move from NAIA to NCAA and the drop off in wins for a few years while we grew into that new position. We survived and thrived. After the set back to D-1AA, we survived and thrived. We will do so after this change, just have faith!
I am going to disagree with you on the highlighted point. IMO, we are not there yet offensively. We are still a work in progress in all facets of the game. We still have red zone issues, turnovers, silly penalties, and a Freshmen QB and a very young OL. Defensively we have some issues in the secondary and opportunities with the pass rush but the defense has by in large played decently through the first half of the season. Yes they gave up 55 to Liberty but they also allowed 21 to So. Miss. and kept us in the game. I agree 100% with the rest of what your saying.

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Unread post by Skiddy » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:19 pm

Sorry on your post but I am done with Satterfield - it's not because of young kids, moving up, new AD, new Chancelor,

It's of the decisions that he has made specifically over the last two games which demonstrates he is not a head coach and cannot recruit...again just look to GSU - they hired a proven coach we did not.

Take all of the emotion out and then you make a decision based on his decisions as a head coach - he does not know what he is doing...sorry he must go NOW

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Unread post by t4pizza » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:26 pm

Skiddy wrote:Sorry on your post but I am done with Satterfield - it's not because of young kids, moving up, new AD, new Chancelor,

It's of the decisions that he has made specifically over the last two games which demonstrates he is not a head coach and cannot recruit...again just look to GSU - they hired a proven coach we did not.

Take all of the emotion out and then you make a decision based on his decisions as a head coach - he does not know what he is doing...sorry he must go NOW
I couldn't agree more. People can sell the 'we are young bit as long' as they want but the fact remains,we are losing games because of coaching. We have been in games, just couldn't get the win because of mistakes,penalties, poor execution and that is a coaching issue. I will continue to support App regardless of coach or record but anyone watching this team with an unbiased eye will quickly tell you that SS is in over his head and needs to go. There are numerous examples of good coaches turning around teams by year 2, just look at Kentucky. It could be argued that nobody has a harder job then a UK football coach in the SEC but that team is now competitive and winning games in just the second year. We are doing neither, and its all falls on the coach.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:29 pm

Skiddy wrote:Sorry on your post but I am done with Satterfield - it's not because of young kids, moving up, new AD, new Chancelor,

It's of the decisions that he has made specifically over the last two games which demonstrates he is not a head coach and cannot recruit...again just look to GSU - they hired a proven coach we did not.

Take all of the emotion out and then you make a decision based on his decisions as a head coach - he does not know what he is doing...sorry he must go NOW
Where in HELL do you get the idea that he can't recruit??? - Check out the first post in WE ARE YOUNG and tell me who recruited all these young players?
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:43 pm

Skiddy wrote:Sorry on your post but I am done with Satterfield - it's not because of young kids, moving up, new AD, new Chancelor,

It's of the decisions that he has made specifically over the last two games which demonstrates he is not a head coach and cannot recruit...again just look to GSU - they hired a proven coach we did not.

Take all of the emotion out and then you make a decision based on his decisions as a head coach - he does not know what he is doing...sorry he must go NOW
Blah Blah Blah. If it's so freaking easy to turn this mess around then by all means you pony up the money to pay off the contract and then you take over. What qualifications do you have to properly evaluate what is going on within the program? Have you run a practice, have you managed a game, evaluated players? Go back to AGS and take some of the doomesdayers with you.

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Unread post by AppStateNews » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:54 pm

Skiddy wrote: cannot recruit...
This alone proves you don't know what you're talking about. He can recruit. Very few of his recruits have hit the field yet.

If you want to state your opinion on if you think redshirting his recruits is a good idea or not, that's one thing. But you can't say he can't recruit when majority of his recruits aren't even on the field yet.
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Unread post by APPARJ » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:24 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Skiddy wrote: cannot recruit...
This alone proves you don't know what you're talking about. He can recruit. Very few of his recruits have hit the field yet.

If you want to state your opinion on if you think redshirting his recruits is a good idea or not, that's one thing. But you can't say he can't recruit when majority of his recruits aren't even on the field yet.
The only players making an impact on offense right now are Satterfield recruits.

Marcus Cox
Upshaw
Lamb
Shaedon (Stud in waiting)

Recruiting is actually one of the things I think Satt has drastically improved immediately.
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Unread post by App91 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:38 pm

Just one question, has anyone ever lost on signing day??

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:54 pm

App91 wrote:Just one question, has anyone ever lost on signing day??
Come on 91 - look at the list of players in my first post in WE ARE YOUNG - you really don't think that there is a lot of talent in that list - it just needs experience ---
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Unread post by App91 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:09 pm

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App91 wrote:Just one question, has anyone ever lost on signing day??
Come on 91 - look at the list of players in my first post in WE ARE YOUNG - you really don't think that there is a lot of talent in that list - it just needs experience ---
I am sorry WV, the last 2 games, our problem was not experience!

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:31 pm

App91 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:
App91 wrote:Just one question, has anyone ever lost on signing day??
Come on 91 - look at the list of players in my first post in WE ARE YOUNG - you really don't think that there is a lot of talent in that list - it just needs experience ---
I am sorry WV, the last 2 games, our problem was not experience!
I didn't say it was the only reason but it is without a doubt part of the reason - hey man, you still didn't answer my question - :?
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