"Give a Mountaineer a chance."

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:49 pm

App91 wrote:Just one question, has anyone ever lost on signing day??

Probably not, but they have certainly put some nails in their coffin for the next few seasons.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:10 pm

NewApp wrote:
App91 wrote:Just one question, has anyone ever lost on signing day??
Probably not, but they have certainly put some nails in their coffin for the next few seasons.

HEY! You an I agree on something.

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:22 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
NewApp wrote:
App91 wrote:Just one question, has anyone ever lost on signing day??
Probably not, but they have certainly put some nails in their coffin for the next few seasons.
HEY! You an I agree on something.

Probably more things than you realize.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:26 pm

NewApp wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
NewApp wrote:
App91 wrote:Just one question, has anyone ever lost on signing day??
Probably not, but they have certainly put some nails in their coffin for the next few seasons.
HEY! You an I agree on something.
Probably more things than you realize.

You are probably right.

AppAlum1 · Unread post by **AppAlum1** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:42 pm

I have resisted even looking at Yosefs Cabin until today because I was expecting the meltdown of some alums & fans. Fine, knock yerself out.

I heard that caller on the radio after the game too. The only positive there was DJ's response. My appreciation of how good he is just increased by a bunch.

My take on this season is that I wish all those critical of our coach & team would just stay home... don't listen to the game... & don't criticize any App player, coach, or administrator. Just chill.

Whether anyone is willing to realize it or not, there is a lot of stuff going on, most of which is off the field, and our team is mostly freshmen & sophs.

Finally, let me put it in perspective. I've been going to App games when there were 4,000 butts in the seats. And, I'll be going to App games if there are that few next time. This year may not be good. Next year will be better, and I am certain SS will be the coach. I hope the rest of you fellers will enjoy yourself while I'm watching App play.

87ASUgrad · Unread post by **87ASUgrad** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:10 pm

Maybe Coach needs to give these young kids some motivation. I recommend Bluto from Animal House. Several fans on here could use some motivation and lighten up too IMO.

Bluto's motivational speech:

Entire version:

NoLongerLurking · Unread post by **NoLongerLurking** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:27 pm

AppAlum1 wrote:I have resisted even looking at Yosefs Cabin until today because I was expecting the meltdown of some alums & fans. Fine, knock yerself out.

I heard that caller on the radio after the game too. The only positive there was DJ's response. My appreciation of how good he is just increased by a bunch.

My take on this season is that I wish all those critical of our coach & team would just stay home... don't listen to the game... & don't criticize any App player, coach, or administrator. Just chill.

Whether anyone is willing to realize it or not, there is a lot of stuff going on, most of which is off the field, and our team is mostly freshmen & sophs.

Finally, let me put it in perspective. I've been going to App games when there were 4,000 butts in the seats. And, I'll be going to App games if there are that few next time. This year may not be good. Next year will be better, and I am certain SS will be the coach. I hope the rest of you fellers will enjoy yourself while I'm watching App play.

I'm on board with your sentiments, though I seldom want to censor anyone's thoughts or discourage them from coming to games. I've been thinking, based on my limited knowledge of football, about the Carolina Panthers. Everyone wanted RR's head on a stick, then their defense started playing.... and they won a game. Then another game.. etc etc. I don't claim to be a prophet or an amateur analyst, but I listened to App beat Michigan one year while dove hunting in a corn field and I believe these boys today can also win games. I just wonder who on staff has the charisma to fool them into it?

Saint3333 · Unread post by **Saint3333** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:43 pm

App91 wrote:Just one question, has anyone ever lost on signing day??

No but it impacts wins and losses two or three years down the road.

ASUMountaineer · Unread post by **ASUMountaineer** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:43 pm

App91 wrote:Philly, I met you 2007 in Mich. so I know a little bit and appreciate where you are coming from. That said, what in the hell are you saying? Just because he played and is an alumni we should support? Do you work in Gov't? I mean, there is nothing that you can point to that suggests this coach and his staff are coaching these kids to improve. If anything, they regress. I know coaches do not make the plays, but you can't change players, you can change the coach. I know he is not going to be fired, we cannot afford that. But I am searching for any way that I can to show/voice my extreme displeasure short of not contributing to the university. At this point it may be remove the $$ from Yosef and send them to the App Foundation unit a change is made, I just don't know.

IMO, right now, to voice any support is to accept what we see happening.

In 18 games you've been able to determine that SS will never improve beyond the last season and a half? Good thing you weren't calling the shots at UNC when they were hanging effigies of Dean Smith. Or the GM of the Patriots when Belichick interviewed after failing in Cleveland.

ASUMountaineer · Unread post by **ASUMountaineer** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:55 pm

Skiddy wrote:Sorry on your post but I am done with Satterfield - it's not because of young kids, moving up, new AD, new Chancelor,

It's of the decisions that he has made specifically over the last two games which demonstrates he is not a head coach and cannot recruit...again just look to GSU - they hired a proven coach we did not.

Take all of the emotion out and then you make a decision based on his decisions as a head coach - he does not know what he is doing...sorry he must go NOW

Wrong. Not sorry.

You must be a very talented AD or football coach if you know, after only 18 games, that Satterfield is a horrible HC and will never be a good one. Your agenda is clear: Satterfield = no bueno. Got it, now, expand your horizons.

ASUMountaineer · Unread post by **ASUMountaineer** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:59 pm

t4pizza wrote:
Skiddy wrote:Sorry on your post but I am done with Satterfield - it's not because of young kids, moving up, new AD, new Chancelor,

It's of the decisions that he has made specifically over the last two games which demonstrates he is not a head coach and cannot recruit...again just look to GSU - they hired a proven coach we did not.

Take all of the emotion out and then you make a decision based on his decisions as a head coach - he does not know what he is doing...sorry he must go NOW
I couldn't agree more. People can sell the 'we are young bit as long' as they want but the fact remains,we are losing games because of coaching. We have been in games, just couldn't get the win because of mistakes,penalties, poor execution and that is a coaching issue. I will continue to support App regardless of coach or record but anyone watching this team with an unbiased eye will quickly tell you that SS is in over his head and needs to go. There are numerous examples of good coaches turning around teams by year 2, just look at Kentucky. It could be argued that nobody has a harder job then a UK football coach in the SEC but that team is now competitive and winning games in just the second year. We are doing neither, and its all falls on the coach.

You're right. I'm sure no first-time head coach has every started off with two losing seasons and then turned it around. Yes, sarcasm.

manonabuffalo · Unread post by **manonabuffalo** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:03 pm

The Liberty loss may prove to be the harbinger of only worse to come, or it could be a catalyst for better play. Likely it will be the former, but I went on record saying we should fire him. If he pulls it out, then I was wrong, but I think you have to really drink the Koo-lade to think he certainly will.

ASUMountaineer · Unread post by **ASUMountaineer** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:07 pm

manonabuffalo wrote:The Liberty loss may prove to be the harbinger of only worse to come, or it could be a catalyst for better play. Likely it will be the former, but I went on record saying we should fire him. If he pulls it out, then I was wrong, but I think you have to really drink the Koo-lade to think he certainly will.

I have no idea if he will get the team to start winning more than it's losing. I also don't know how anyone can be convinced, at this point, that Satterfield is a horrible HC and will never be a good HC--thus, deserving to be fired. I'm certainly glad I got more than 1.5 years to prove myself in my career.

t4pizza · Unread post by **t4pizza** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:14 pm

ASUMountaineer wrote:
t4pizza wrote:
Skiddy wrote:Sorry on your post but I am done with Satterfield - it's not because of young kids, moving up, new AD, new Chancelor,

It's of the decisions that he has made specifically over the last two games which demonstrates he is not a head coach and cannot recruit...again just look to GSU - they hired a proven coach we did not.

Take all of the emotion out and then you make a decision based on his decisions as a head coach - he does not know what he is doing...sorry he must go NOW
I couldn't agree more. People can sell the 'we are young bit as long' as they want but the fact remains,we are losing games because of coaching. We have been in games, just couldn't get the win because of mistakes,penalties, poor execution and that is a coaching issue. I will continue to support App regardless of coach or record but anyone watching this team with an unbiased eye will quickly tell you that SS is in over his head and needs to go. There are numerous examples of good coaches turning around teams by year 2, just look at Kentucky. It could be argued that nobody has a harder job then a UK football coach in the SEC but that team is now competitive and winning games in just the second year. We are doing neither, and its all falls on the coach.
You're right. I'm sure no first-time head coach has every started off with two losing seasons and then turned it around. Yes, sarcasm.

I'm sure plenty have, but many of them usually have to change a culture of losing, SS did not have to contend with that significant issue. I would be interested to know how many new coaches who took over a program that had not had a losing season in almost 20 years and proceeded to have 2 consecutive losing season eventually turned it around. I doubt many, simply because most programs that are not accustomed to losing will not give the new losing coach the time to turn it around. I really hope SS proves me wrong, I just don't see any evidence to suggest he will at this point. But I will keep looking and hope I find some.

YesAppCan · Unread post by **YesAppCan** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:30 pm

I think Scott deserves the time of his contract (4 years)--- besides NO ONE complaining on this board is going to step in and buy him out and pay extra to get a "proven winner". We will see improvement in the next two years, if not then I'm the one that is wrong. Point is, NO ONE knows what's going to happen in the future. We let our frustration bubble out 'cause we are used to winning. I was here over 30 years ago when winning was elusive, I'll be here when it returns. EVERY college team has ups and downs. Did anybody watch the Vandy and Charleston Southern game? Vandy looked bad--- announcers said 31 Freshmen have played for Vanderbilt this season, including 12 true freshmen. It makes a difference. Now do I think Scott has made some head scratching decisions at times?... Yes, but I have faith he will get better, much better. This team will get better, if they don't--- throw me in with the nut-jobs too!

App91 · Unread post by **App91** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:24 pm

ASUMountaineer wrote:
manonabuffalo wrote:The Liberty loss may prove to be the harbinger of only worse to come, or it could be a catalyst for better play. Likely it will be the former, but I went on record saying we should fire him. If he pulls it out, then I was wrong, but I think you have to really drink the Koo-lade to think he certainly will.
I have no idea if he will get the team to start winning more than it's losing. I also don't know how anyone can be convinced, at this point, that Satterfield is a horrible HC and will never be a good HC--thus, deserving to be fired. I'm certainly glad I got more than 1.5 years to prove myself in my career.

Good coaches see their teams improve week over week, bad ones do not. There is no way that you can point to anything that shows this team as progressed since they took the field at Michigan. It appears they have gotten WORSE. Offense, maybe a little better, Defense is MARKEDLY worse. But that offensive improvement was against a midling FCS program. SO not sure there. Can you point to ANY improvement?

Yosef84 · Unread post by **Yosef84** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:31 am

t4pizza wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:
t4pizza wrote:
Skiddy wrote:Sorry on your post but I am done with Satterfield - it's not because of young kids, moving up, new AD, new Chancelor,

It's of the decisions that he has made specifically over the last two games which demonstrates he is not a head coach and cannot recruit...again just look to GSU - they hired a proven coach we did not.

Take all of the emotion out and then you make a decision based on his decisions as a head coach - he does not know what he is doing...sorry he must go NOW
I couldn't agree more. People can sell the 'we are young bit as long' as they want but the fact remains,we are losing games because of coaching. We have been in games, just couldn't get the win because of mistakes,penalties, poor execution and that is a coaching issue. I will continue to support App regardless of coach or record but anyone watching this team with an unbiased eye will quickly tell you that SS is in over his head and needs to go. There are numerous examples of good coaches turning around teams by year 2, just look at Kentucky. It could be argued that nobody has a harder job then a UK football coach in the SEC but that team is now competitive and winning games in just the second year. We are doing neither, and its all falls on the coach.
You're right. I'm sure no first-time head coach has every started off with two losing seasons and then turned it around. Yes, sarcasm.
I'm sure plenty have, but many of them usually have to change a culture of losing, SS did not have to contend with that significant issue. I would be interested to know how many new coaches who took over a program that had not had a losing season in almost 20 years and proceeded to have 2 consecutive losing season eventually turned it around. I doubt many, simply because most programs that are not accustomed to losing will not give the new losing coach the time to turn it around. I really hope SS proves me wrong, I just don't see any evidence to suggest he will at this point. But I will keep looking and hope I find some.

No, Satterfield did not have to overcome a culture of LOSING, however I believe he has had to deal with the other side of the coin: A culture of ENTITLEMENT. Over the past few years (yes even before SS became head coach), it looks to me like we expect to win, but we have not had the work ethic, desire and discipline to EARN the win anymore. We have lost close games that should have been won. The wins kept coming because we have tremendous talent but the momentum has been slowing for a long time.

I am as frustrated as anyone on this board and I've done my share of complaining. I've even complained about coaching decisions. The truth is that I don't have nearly enough information to know what the correct fix actually is and mid season is NOT an appropriate time for staff changes, so many of the rants about firing coaches just sound like whining to me. I'm pretty sure Scott is going to have some tough decisions in the off season. I hope he figures some things out and makes good decisions. I also hope he figures out how to salvage the remainder of THIS season.

In response to another post, I DO think our offense has shown improvement. Lamb shows huge up side. Our receivers lack break away speed, but they do seem to have good hands.

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:18 am

App91 wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:
manonabuffalo wrote:The Liberty loss may prove to be the harbinger of only worse to come, or it could be a catalyst for better play. Likely it will be the former, but I went on record saying we should fire him. If he pulls it out, then I was wrong, but I think you have to really drink the Koo-lade to think he certainly will.
I have no idea if he will get the team to start winning more than it's losing. I also don't know how anyone can be convinced, at this point, that Satterfield is a horrible HC and will never be a good HC--thus, deserving to be fired. I'm certainly glad I got more than 1.5 years to prove myself in my career.
Good coaches see their teams improve week over week, bad ones do not. There is no way that you can point to anything that shows this team as progressed since they took the field at Michigan. It appears they have gotten WORSE. Offense, maybe a little better, Defense is MARKEDLY worse. But that offensive improvement was against a midling FCS program. SO not sure there. Can you point to ANY improvement?

91 - I haven't gone back and re-watched any of the games so far, but I can promise you the coaches have done so extensively --- there could be many improvements that they see on a play to play basis that you and I will never know about - It is amazing what one can see when watching one play over and over and over again (believe me, I've done it) - we have seen changes in the starting line-ups and changes in number of plays some guys are on the field. These are the main things the coaches are looking at this season with these young players. Again, and it hard to grasp I know, but looking at overall team performances, final scores, unit mistakes are most likely way down on the evaluation chain - Example: defensive coaches watch one play and note that it was defended properly, that everyone made the correct read and there was no missed assignments upon the snap - However our Freshman (name your position) took the wrong angle on the sweep, missed the tackle, the opponents gain 5 yards for the 1st down - what should have been a 3 yard loss and then a punt, becomes a first down and the D is still on the field - That is a mistake that a young player can correct as we move forward ---
Was there improvement that we fans saw? - Probably not - BUT, the staff could be really pleased with several of the players who played their part perfectly correcting earlier mistakes they had made - Man, sorry for the length, just got carried away

MJ1988 · Unread post by **MJ1988** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:34 am

Yosef84 wrote:
t4pizza wrote:
ASUMountaineer wrote:
t4pizza wrote:
Skiddy wrote:Sorry on your post but I am done with Satterfield - it's not because of young kids, moving up, new AD, new Chancelor,

It's of the decisions that he has made specifically over the last two games which demonstrates he is not a head coach and cannot recruit...again just look to GSU - they hired a proven coach we did not.

Take all of the emotion out and then you make a decision based on his decisions as a head coach - he does not know what he is doing...sorry he must go NOW
I couldn't agree more. People can sell the 'we are young bit as long' as they want but the fact remains,we are losing games because of coaching. We have been in games, just couldn't get the win because of mistakes,penalties, poor execution and that is a coaching issue. I will continue to support App regardless of coach or record but anyone watching this team with an unbiased eye will
quickly tell you that SS is in over his head and needs to go. There are numerous examples of good coaches turning around teams by year 2, just look at Kentucky. It could be argued that nobody has a harder job then a UK football coach in the SEC but that team is now competitive and winning games in just the second year. We are doing neither, and its all falls on the coach.
You're right. I'm sure no first-time head coach has every started off with two losing seasons and then turned it around. Yes, sarcasm.
I'm sure plenty have, but many of them usually have to change a culture of losing, SS did not have to contend with that significant issue. I would be interested to know how many new coaches who took over a program that had not had a losing season in almost 20 years and proceeded to have 2 consecutive losing season eventually turned it around. I doubt many, simply because most programs that are not accustomed to losing will not give the new losing coach the time to turn it around. I really hope SS proves me wrong, I just don't see any evidence to suggest he will at this point. But I will keep looking and hope I find some.
No, Satterfield did not have to overcome a culture of LOSING, however I believe he has had to deal with the other side of the coin: A culture of ENTITLEMENT. Over the past few years (yes even before SS became head coach), it looks to me like we expect to win, but we have not had the work ethic, desire and discipline to EARN the win anymore. We have lost close games that should have been won. The wins kept coming because we have tremendous talent but the momentum has been slowing for a long time.

I am as frustrated as anyone on this board and I've done my share of complaining. I've even complained about coaching decisions. The truth is that I don't have nearly enough information to know what the correct fix actually is and mid season is NOT an appropriate time for staff changes, so many of the rants about firing coaches just sound like whining to me. I'm pretty sure Scott is going to have some tough decisions in the off season. I hope he figures some things out and makes good decisions. I also hope he figures out how to salvage the remainder of THIS season.

In response to another post, I DO think our offense has shown improvement. Lamb shows huge up side. Our receivers lack break away speed, but they do seem to have good hands.

When it comes to the issue of work ethic I could not agree more. I don't go watch practice but over the past two years I have read way to many practice reports that say the practice was cut short or cancelled. Too many reports that say practice was moved inside due to rain. Reports that say practice ended with coaches having a put catching compaction. We have become soft. It's great to have fun and sports should be fun. I think our players would be having a lot more fun if they could win some games. Does anyone remember "always attack"?

AppDawg · Unread post by **AppDawg** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:37 am

t4pizza wrote:
Skiddy wrote:Sorry on your post but I am done with Satterfield - it's not because of young kids, moving up, new AD, new Chancelor,

It's of the decisions that he has made specifically over the last two games which demonstrates he is not a head coach and cannot recruit...again just look to GSU - they hired a proven coach we did not.

Take all of the emotion out and then you make a decision based on his decisions as a head coach - he does not know what he is doing...sorry he must go NOW
I couldn't agree more. People can sell the 'we are young bit as long' as they want but the fact remains,we are losing games because of coaching. We have been in games, just couldn't get the win because of mistakes,penalties, poor execution and that is a coaching issue. I will continue to support App regardless of coach or record but anyone watching this team with an unbiased eye will quickly tell you that SS is in over his head and needs to go. There are numerous examples of good coaches turning around teams by year 2, just look at Kentucky. It could be argued that nobody has a harder job then a UK football coach in the SEC but that team is now competitive and winning games in just the second year. We are doing neither, and its all falls on the coach.

So coaching had NOTHING to do with us being "in" those games with a chance? Last time I checked the coaches were not the ones fumbling, throwing interceptjons or missing field goals.

I can deal with the false start penalties and occasionsl holding penalties - to me those are directly related to youth and our young guys getting up to the speed of the college game. What I do expect though, as we cross over the midpoint of the season is for those to decline in number from now til the end of the year. What I see as a distinct result of coaching is the very low number of personal fouls called against us this year. To me when you are getting personal fouls called every game (as we have in the last 5 years) those are a sign of an undisciplined team. I see that as a positive for SS and his staff.

Skiddy, recruiting really? Thats just laughable! Thats the one point most everyone in App Nation can agree SS is one of the best and has always agreed on.

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