The Carolina Way (Cont'd)

[bcoach]

Now if they would clean up the rest of the big boys

[moehler]

I'm sure the new Chancellor is about ready to strangle Cunningham, wasn't it just last month she publically acknowledged that this was a major infraction, a huge embarrassment to the University, and she basically asked for forgiveness from the community and the NCAA. She sounded very sincere in asking for forgiveness. Now, Cunningham totally contradicts her, implies that this really isn't a big deal, and we shouldn't be concerned. Really made her look foolish. I don't know what his end game is, I thought, though not entirely positive, that he was retiring in the spring, maybe he just doesn't give a crap, maybe he is alittle bitter and is trying to make UNC look bad, don't know just speculating, but regardless, another embarrassment for them.

[MountainMan]

Even if Cunningham is planning on retiring soon, he should be immediately FIRED. The kind of statement that he made is truly unbelievable and lacks any sense of understanding about how massive this scandal really is. His attitude reflects the institutional attitude that was a big part of allowing this problem to happen.

[Black Saturday]

Now if they would clean up the rest of the big boys

LoL!

[bcoach]

Now if they would clean up the rest of the big boys

LoL!

Well let me put a finish on it as you are correct.
Now if they would clean up the rest of the big boys... I would go into a state of shock!

[scatman77]

I have been relatively silent on this matter but rest assured I have no sympathy in the least for the tar holes. Their bed....lie in it.

That being said I think that a lot of the academic penalties being mentioned here are a bit overboard, especially the SACS accreditation. To revoke that would put probably 90% (my guess) of the student body out in the cold as far as their diploma is concerned. They most likely didn't take the AFAM classes anyway. I do think that anyone who took those classes should have their diplomas revoked unless or until they take a proper course that fits the requirements for graduation.

Athletically, if the players are now ineligible due to the revoked diploma, then vacate the wins, titles, and any other accolade due to ineligible players. NCAA....do your job for a change.

[Appsolutely]

"I do think that anyone who took those classes should have their diplomas revoked unless or until they take a proper course that fits the requirements for graduation."

Spoke with a UNC alum yesterday who feels exactly the same way, and I agree 100%.

[WVAPPeer]

from bleacherreport.com --- more money well-spent

Updates from Wednesday, Oct. 29

It's pretty clear North Carolina is taking the academic fraud investigation pretty seriously as evidence by the amount of money the university is spending on a public relations firm according to Dan Kane of newsobserver.com:

The public relations costs for UNC as it seeks to manage the fallout from the long-running academic-athletic scandal continue to climb. A firm hired several months ago to help with the scandal and other communications efforts has billed the school $782,000.

Edelman identifies itself as the world’s largest public relations firm. Last week, the News & Observer reported that the firm had at least 14 employees assigned to work the response to a blistering report by a former top U.S. Justice Department official that found the scandal was largely driven by the need to keep athletes eligible to play sports.
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[TheMoody1]

$782,000 will probably come out of the App budget.

[WVAPPeer]

Here's a shocker ---

"ACC media day happened Wednesday. The commissioner of the league, John Swofford, said the conference will absolutely not punish North Carolina for any reason after the NCAA hands down its verdict, whenever that will be."

[clemmonsapp]

TJ,
Bubba's math doesn't work and his response obfuscates the issue. He is saying it "only" adds up to 3 classes per team per year. UNC sponsors about 25 teams - so over 20 years that averages 3 classes per team. What is disingenuous is the perception that this malfeasance was spread equally among all the teams. It was not. As you start to subtract the teams that don't have students who are academic exceptions (most teams except football, m+w basketball, baseball) and the actual number of teams with players being kept eligible with fake grades is vastly reduced. Say m+w tennis, cross country, swimming/ diving, golf, fencing, w softball, rowing, field hockey, gymnastics, volleyball do not enroll their players in fake classes. That leaves ten sports that may have non qualifiers who are cheating. A few of those (say 6) may have one athlete getting help. That may total 120 classes over the known life of this scandal. That leaves over seventeen classes per year for the other programs. We know that the 2005 national championship team at UNC had 10 AFAM majors on it. Bubba Cunningham is continuing the UNC approach of disinformation to cover up when he should be taking responsibility.

I am an ASU and UNC grad. I saw first hand the sense of entitlement bred into UNC students and fans. The fact they were blatantly cheating to hold onto their superiority is sickening to me. I am embarrassed to be associated with my second alma mater.

[AppGrad78]

Adolph Hitler offers his take on the UNC academics scandal (new version):

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Radio reported today that SACS was looking into the report now. I think I was listening to WFDD and not WUNC. I know it was one of the two NPR stations.

[TheMoody1]

Dang. Hitler was just as pissed when App beat Michigan.

[AppGrad78]

Radio reported today that SACS was looking into the report now. I think I was listening to WFDD and not WUNC. I know it was one of the two NPR stations.

From The Associated Press and the Raleigh News & Observer:

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — The University of North Carolina faces more scrutiny by an accrediting agency after details emerged on an academic scandal.
The president of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools’ Commission on Colleges said the school is being sent a letter about a new investigation, The News & Observer of Raleigh reported.
Belle Wheelan said the new investigation will focus on the findings of an Oct. 22 independent review that found nearly two decades of academic fraud.
That investigation found hundreds of fake independent studies and no-show classes in African and Afro-American Studies taken by more than 3,100 students, about half of them athletes.
The review by the accrediting agency is expected to last for months. No decision by the agency's board is expected until June.
The association had ordered in 2012 extensive monitoring reports after the scandal first emerged.
The latest report documents an extensive pattern of fraudulent classes in which students had no contact with faculty. A department office manager graded student papers and gave them high grades for little to no work.
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Information from: The News & Observer, http://www.newsobserver.com

[DoubleA]

The review by the accrediting agency is expected to last for months.

That can't be good. Sounds like they have opened Pandora's box. What might they find next? Expect to see a few more heads to roll before this is done.

[AppAttack]

“If those classes weren’t available, what would they have taken and what would the grade have been?” Cunningham said. “And that becomes a challenging question, in hindsight.”

Well Bubba, this is just a shot in the dark but if the faux classes were not available to the students they probably would've taken a real class that they actually had to attend and complete actual work that was graded (not by a secretary) on merit. As far as speculating on their grades, again I'll be a blind squirrel looking for a nut here but it would probably fall right in line with those 1.9 average GPA's detailed in the Wainstein Report.

Na, they would've just taken some other crip course.

[AppAttack]

Ol' Roy and now Ol' Bubba just don't see it - if there was ever a more accurate use of "can't see the forest for the trees", I'm not sure what it would be

"Cunningham in an interview Friday on 99.9 The Fan said a bit of time had helped add some perspective – for him, at least – on the findings by Kenneth Wainstein, a former U.S. Justice Department official, which concluded that over a span of nearly 20 years, hundreds of athletes were directed to bogus paper classes, resulting in inflated grades, in the African and Afro-American Studies Department at UNC.

“It would be the equivalent of three student-athletes per team per year over that period of time,” Cunningham said, referencing the 18-year period in which athletes and nonathletes alike used bogus classes to boost their GPAs. “So as bad as it was, as long as it was, it’s really starting to sink in that there was maybe one, two, three classes for somebody – so that might be six or nine hours out of 120 that it takes to graduate. So it’s shocking, but as you have a little more time to look at it, it’s not quite as bad as I was thinking it was 48 hours ago.”


I read that quote, too, and am still trying to figure out his math. If there are four terms a year (Fall, Spring, Summer I and Summer II) then three per term would be only 12 per year. If multiply that by 18 years, I only come up with 216. It is my understanding that around 1500 athletes were enrolled in these classes. That would be approximately 83 students a year for 18 years.

Regardless, he certainly seems to be minimizing the extent and the function that these classes served.

I guess multiply that by the number of sports teams involved (7?)

[WVAPPeer]

More potential serious problems - can you say SUPOENA POWER ---
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/07/us/unc-ac ... ?hpt=hp_t2

[DoubleA]

McAdoo told CNN he had expressed interest in studying criminal justice, but was told on his first day of scheduling that he had to pick from three majors that fit his football schedule -- Exercise and Sport Science, Communications, and African-American Studies, where the paper class scandal existed. McAdoo said his pre-determined schedule included some of the paper classes.

Wow, this story becomes more disgusting, and shameful by the day. NCAA is going to be forced into a corner and, like it or not, have no choice but to bring the hammer down. And this certainly doesn't help the NCAA's defense in court.