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Re: Vegas Likes APP

Unread post by WataugaMan » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:45 am

bcoach wrote:
WataugaMan wrote:
bcoach wrote:
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bcoach wrote:If they have lost 4 in a row and only beat Troy ( a very bad team ) by 2, we should win comfortably at home.
Maybe we can order up another bit of snow too. :D
Sometimes we jump to soon and I may have this time. I went back and looked at who they have played and I still think we can win but maybe not so comfortable. Maybe the Troy game was just a bad day.
Just like our day with Liberty. :oops:
Actually I can't agree. I think they are as good as we are at this point. Now that may change by seasons end but at this point I think we are pretty close to equal.
One thing is for certain, this week's game will tell us more about where we are than any ohter game thus far.

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:45 am

bcoach wrote:
WataugaMan wrote:
bcoach wrote:
WataugaMan wrote:
bcoach wrote:If they have lost 4 in a row and only beat Troy ( a very bad team ) by 2, we should win comfortably at home.
Maybe we can order up another bit of snow too. :D
Sometimes we jump to soon and I may have this time. I went back and looked at who they have played and I still think we can win but maybe not so comfortable. Maybe the Troy game was just a bad day.
Just like our day with Liberty. :oops:
Actually I can't agree. I think they are as good as we are at this point. Now that may change by seasons end but at this point I think we are pretty close to equal.
It can be debated either way, but I don't really agree. I do think Liberty was as good as we were on that day in that they earned the win. They played a good game and they deserved the win. That being said, our defensive performance was (just my opinoin) below what we were capable of doing even at that time. Call it execution, coaching, bad luck...whatever....we simply stumbled that day. I think that, had we played a week later, it would have been a different game.

Obviously, it's just an opinion. It's a game that should have been won and wasn't. Nothing we can do about it now other than focus that frustration on ULM. Lots of questions left to be answered, and hopefully we see the answers we like.

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Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:18 pm

WataugaMan wrote: One thing is for certain, this week's game will tell us more about where we are than any ohter game thus far.
I agree in that it will tell us how much we've progressed. I think most of the early losses (save Southern Miss) probably gave us a pretty accurate view of where we were at the time - we just didn't like the answers we got. Clearly we've improved since then. This is the last "middle-of-the-pack" opponent we'll play this year, so in that respect it should be a good measuring stick.

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Unread post by bcoach » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:28 pm

WataugaMan wrote:
One thing is for certain, this week's game will tell us more about where we are than any ohter game thus far.
That is for sure.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:48 pm

If we played the same defensive scheme vs. Liberty as we have the last two weeks, bringing pressure, I like our chances vs. Liberty.

The offense started clicking when we inserted the young'uns in the oline and the defense starting clicking when we applied pressure. Special teams may not click again until 2015.

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Unread post by ASUGoose » Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:26 pm

Line now at App -3.5

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Unread post by asunewbie » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:42 pm

Satt doesn't make it easy to pick a winner at home. We lose a heartbreaker or beat the crap out of the visitor. Either way, it's Black Saturday and KBS should be rockin'. Go App.

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Unread post by SpeedkingATL » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:02 pm

asunewbie wrote:Satt doesn't make it easy to pick a winner at home. We lose a heartbreaker or beat the crap out of the visitor. Either way, it's Black Saturday and KBS should be rockin'. Go App.
The USA home game was pretty anti-climatic and they pretty much man handled App the entire game. I think ULM is a similar team and I just hope with the more aggressive approach and improved line play we can often be the smacker rather than the smackee!

Go Apps!

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Unread post by bertolinidives » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:21 pm

I think App looked past Liberty, which is always a mistake, but putting that aside, it appears that, as expected, we are seeing a much faster game than the previous years, due of course, to being in the SBC vs. the Slocon. With that increased speed comes the requirement to adjust, and I feel like we are settling in a bit and not getting shocked by that difference.

We have undergone massive, massive change in the past 18 months; change that could have set other programs back years from being competitive. And, here we ate flirting with a winning conference record. Granted, the hard part is coming and I agree, this game will be very telling.

Surely, the odds makers are looking past the same conference records, calling it even and giving App the 3 point HFA. I think the line is pretty close considering App is unproven and ULM is average. Besides, the point spread isn't what Vegas thinks will be representative of what the score will be, but what will get the most people to bet, and lose. Maybe that could be seen as semantics; maybe not.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:03 pm

SpeedkingATL wrote:
asunewbie wrote:Satt doesn't make it easy to pick a winner at home. We lose a heartbreaker or beat the crap out of the visitor. Either way, it's Black Saturday and KBS should be rockin'. Go App.
The USA home game was pretty anti-climatic and they pretty much man handled App the entire game. I think ULM is a similar team and I just hope with the more aggressive approach and improved line play we can often be the smacker rather than the smackee!

Go Apps!
ULM may be a similar caliber to USA, but they are much different. ULM plays a 3-3-5 scheme on defense and is smaller on the lines but much more aggressive. USA had a bigger Oline and better QB.

The key to the game is if we can run and not have to pass vs. their scheme. If we get down and have to pass it is doubtful we can win.

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Unread post by ASUGoose » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:05 pm

The line is now up to App -4.5

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Unread post by moonshine » Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:51 pm

Saint3333 wrote:ULM may be a similar caliber to USA, but they are much different. ULM plays a 3-3-5 scheme on defense and is smaller on the lines but much more aggressive. USA had a bigger Oline and better QB.

The key to the game is if we can run and not have to pass vs. their scheme. If we get down and have to pass it is doubtful we can win.
This is the game where Satt and Ponce earn their paychecks game planning against the Warhawks 3-3-5. ULM's NT is 3rd on the team in tackles and has 6 TFL and 4 sacks so the OL may be forced to double team him all game. Their defense has 57 TFL, 29 sacks and 8 INT's on the season.

Guessing we'll get to see some (bubble) screens to slow down their rush...calling Meadors, Sumler and Beathard! Probably get to see quite a few trap runs where the OL will leave a DE unblocked for the pulling G to take on or run away from the unblocked DE allowing the pulling G to get to the second level to take on a LB. Upshaw might find more success on these type runs where he just has to hit the hole and lower the boom on anyone who dares to fill it. Utilizing some inside zone blocking, or partner scheme, will help to handle the stacks ULM lines up in. This may be a very effective attack with Cox's vision.

Of course using motion can help the O outflank the D and give Lamb a better read. Speaking of Lamb, roll the pocket to get away from any inside stunts and not allow their D to just pin their ears back. Keep the Warhawk D on their heels with quick and long counts as well as overall tempo. Excited to see how App attacks the 3-3-5!
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Unread post by SpeedkingATL » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:08 pm

moonshine wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:ULM may be a similar caliber to USA, but they are much different. ULM plays a 3-3-5 scheme on defense and is smaller on the lines but much more aggressive. USA had a bigger Oline and better QB.

The key to the game is if we can run and not have to pass vs. their scheme. If we get down and have to pass it is doubtful we can win.
This is the game where Satt and Ponce earn their paychecks game planning against the Warhawks 3-3-5. ULM's NT is 3rd on the team in tackles and has 6 TFL and 4 sacks so the OL may be forced to double team him all game. Their defense has 57 TFL, 29 sacks and 8 INT's on the season.

Guessing we'll get to see some (bubble) screens to slow down their rush...calling Meadors, Sumler and Beathard! Probably get to see quite a few trap runs where the OL will leave a DE unblocked for the pulling G to take on or run away from the unblocked DE allowing the pulling G to get to the second level to take on a LB. Upshaw might find more success on these type runs where he just has to hit the hole and lower the boom on anyone who dares to fill it. Utilizing some inside zone blocking, or partner scheme, will help to handle the stacks ULM lines up in. This may be a very effective attack with Cox's vision.

Of course using motion can help the O outflank the D and give Lamb a better read. Speaking of Lamb, roll the pocket to get away from any inside stunts and not allow their D to just pin their ears back. Keep the Warhawk D on their heels with quick and long counts as well as overall tempo. Excited to see how App attacks the 3-3-5!
In addition, I think wheel routes to Cox or Upshaw might be effective as Cox and a year earlier Steven Miller had a lot of success with them. Just get guys like Cox, Sumler, Upshaw or Jones in space and away from the penetration.

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Unread post by bcoach » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:24 pm

Why on earth am I no longer authorized to view Cops in the Can

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Unread post by appst89 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:40 pm

bcoach wrote:Why on earth am I no longer authorized to view Cops in the Can

That thread died of natural causes.

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Unread post by bcoach » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:45 pm

appst89 wrote:
bcoach wrote:Why on earth am I no longer authorized to view Cops in the Can

That thread died of natural causes.
As it should. I was just thinking "What the heck did I do wrong?"

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Unread post by Gonzo » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:40 pm

appst89 wrote:
bcoach wrote:Why on earth am I no longer authorized to view Cops in the Can

That thread died of natural causes.
Is Cline a natural cause now?

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