Everyone should be happy with this one!

[AppinVA]

"THAT WOULD PUNISH THE ENTIRE TEAM"

So, I assume you don't believe that peer pressure from teammates works.
OK, so exactly how would YOU handle excessive celebration penalties?

Peer pressure can work - of course, - but not to the detriment of the entire team - if players were suspended for fouls on the field of play then how is peer pressure going to change that - there have been a couple of suggestions posted throughout this thread and I'm sure others have additional suggestions - As I mentioned, do you also suspend the player who gets a 15 yard penalty for a flagrant late hit? - both bone-head plays right? - what about the OL who jumps early when we have a 4th and 1 on the 1 yard line - All he had to do was listen to the count - right? - and the DL who jumps off-sides when our opponents have a 4th and 4? - all he had to do was watch the ball - right?

my point is all bone-headed penalties hurt and sometimes the 5 yard variety can be worse than the 15 - Where do you draw the line for suspensions? ---

Suspensions for flags like this would also give refs a TON of power over our guys. Do we really want the fate of our season left to the judgment call of a side judge with a vendetta? Does something need to be done? Yes. Most definitely. Could suspensions play a role? Sure. Nothing should be off the table. Do we need to be careful about the path we take? It's critical we do.

[Black Saturday]

In the post game interview, Kimbrough talked about the penalties and said that he was wrong in his actions and as a Senior would nip the on-field antics in the bud. Sounded like he was ready to address the issue with the team on the bus ride back to Boone.

Great! Excellent! Considering he's guaranteed 2 more games in his APP career.

[bcoach]

You draw the line where it is intentional. Off sides is an accident. Celebration is not.

[bcoach]

"THAT WOULD PUNISH THE ENTIRE TEAM"

So, I assume you don't believe that peer pressure from teammates works.
OK, so exactly how would YOU handle excessive celebration penalties?

Peer pressure can work - of course, - but not to the detriment of the entire team - if players were suspended for fouls on the field of play then how is peer pressure going to change that - there have been a couple of suggestions posted throughout this thread and I'm sure others have additional suggestions - As I mentioned, do you also suspend the player who gets a 15 yard penalty for a flagrant late hit? - both bone-head plays right? - what about the OL who jumps early when we have a 4th and 1 on the 1 yard line - All he had to do was listen to the count - right? - and the DL who jumps off-sides when our opponents have a 4th and 4? - all he had to do was watch the ball - right?

my point is all bone-headed penalties hurt and sometimes the 5 yard variety can be worse than the 15 - Where do you draw the line for suspensions? ---

Suspensions for flags like this would also give refs a TON of power over our guys. Do we really want the fate of our season left to the judgment call of a side judge with a vendetta? Does something need to be done? Yes. Most definitely. Could suspensions play a role? Sure. Nothing should be off the table. Do we need to be careful about the path we take? It's critical we do.

You would think that one time would probably solve the problem. If it happened a second time then we have a much bigger problem than we think.
With all that said what I really hope for is that Kimbrough solved the problem on the bus on the way home.

[JCline0429]

He sounds angry but is he really going to do anything about it. Nothing has been done up until now.

we don't what he has done or hasn't done - I have absolutely no use for these kind of penalties - none --- I don't think we have had any repeat offenders this season - hopefully we will see no more of this ---

JM logically bears most of the blame, but the position coaches come into play somewhere.

[JCline0429]

I just don't understand why we always get soft whenever we get a big lead. I don't like letting inferior teams come back to make it look close.

Just wondering, did we get soft when we hung 80+ on Wofford the other year or, for that matter when we hung 70 on the Catamounts?

[JCline0429]

The discipline starts with the position coach, then goes to the coordinator and then the head coach. Most of our unsportsmanlike penalties have been on defensive players this year, if I'm not mistaken. The defensive staff has to be the ones to stop this first. Maybe that's why Coach Moore is just now getting pissed because it obviously hasn't been taken care of by the defensive staff. I'm not at all taking up for Coach Moore in this but there is a chain of command.

REP POINT. I posted something similar before I got down to your post.

[JCline0429]

The discipline starts with the position coach, then goes to the coordinator and then the head coach. Most of our unsportsmanlike penalties have been on defensive players this year, if I'm not mistaken. The defensive staff has to be the ones to stop this first. Maybe that's why Coach Moore is just now getting pissed because it obviously hasn't been taken care of by the defensive staff. I'm not at all taking up for Coach Moore in this but there is a chain of command.

Agreed to an extent. We've seen these penalties over and over for the past few years and they continue. That is totally on the head coach imo.
He is not taking care of the problem at all. This is totally on Jerry now.
Time for administrative action.
When player actions make the school look bad & the coaches have not taken care of it the admin should step in.

What kind of administrative action would you suggest? I'll tell you exactly where this thing really starts. Watch highlights of high school football games. This behavior has become part of a culture of kids who think they are the top dog and strive to bring attention to themselves. I don't know if it's because they see it in the NFL or other pro sports or because they don't get enough positive attention off the field but not enough is done to stop it on that level either which makes it harder for college coaches to deal with it. It does, however, need to be dealt with especially when it costs us field position and directly leads to the other team scoring. It's going to take more than extra running, as coach Moore has mention in the past that the players are in good enough shape that it's not real punishment to make them run. I'm afraid it's going to take players having to sit out and I'm not sure we fans will accept that when it drastically affects whether we win or not. And that is why it's hard for us to judge what a coach does or does not do in these situations. It's never as easy as it seems it should be.

EXACTLY on all points,

[JCline0429]

"They will understand one thing and that is to sit out a game. It is very difficult to draw attention to yourself on the bench. "

Couldn't disagree more - not for saluting your home crowd - really want Kimbrough to sit out next game? - I will explain why I am totally against this - IT PUNISHES THE ENTIRE TEAM - all these guys have worked for months to reach their goals - mistakes and stupid penalties happen - Yes, we must reduce both but you don't do that by putting the entire season in jeopardy by sitting guys - is a salute to the stands more costly than a flagrant late hit out of bounds? - you want to sit that guy as well? --- It needs to be stopped but not by sitting out a game ---

I still think a run to the top of Howard's Knob at 5 AM on Sunday morning after the brain fart is the best answer so far. It'll get the culprit's attention and it'll spread quickly throughout the team. Or make it the whole team make the 3 miles up and 3 miles down, that crap will cease - quaranteed! The run up to the top and back will not compromise the integrity of our personnel for a game, and Robert can keep on gifting.

Yep - I think that would work - Jim Valvano used to have a set-up where when they got to practice the next day he would have a lounge chair and a drink set up at mid-court - the offending person would have to sit in the chair and watch while all teammates ran their guts out - seemed to make a lasting affect

I did something similar. We had a good player and athlete who would fake an ankle turn almost every day. After awhile, I just let him sit in the stands and watch as we ran an extra ten for Lamont. Didn't have to do anything else after a couple days of this.... his team mates brow beat him incessantly.

[WVAPPeer]

You draw the line where it is intentional. Off sides is an accident. Celebration is not.

"Off sides is an accident. "

you evidently didn't play for the same kind of coach as I did ---

[bcoach]

You draw the line where it is intentional. Off sides is an accident. Celebration is not.

"Off sides is an accident. "

you evidently didn't play for the same kind of coach as I did ---

Well now that you mention that

[asutrnr81]

I just don't understand why we always get soft whenever we get a big lead. I don't like letting inferior teams come back to make it look close.

I agree with you in a way for the WCU game but until Mitchell started "playing" there was little excitement in the house....and then Speir got em going and they were really trying for him.

At 38-13 it was easy to let down....I did.

Go APPS!

[asutrnr81]

Were all of you bemoaning the calls against Kimbrough and Blalock at the game? Those of you who know me, know that sportsmanship is a major thing for me. That said, I wasn't at all offended by either Kimbrough's or Blalock's reactions after the plays they made - especially when I compare them to the post-whistle helmet to helmet by a WCU player, the consistent post-whistle gang tackling by WCU, the WCU team piling onto the field after the fumble recovery, and Coach Spier being on the field as much as he was. Now, if there were "words" to go with actions, that's a whole different story.

I certainly understand and agree with the rules against taunting and excessive celebration. I'm not a fan of asking a kid who's just made a tremendous play to walk calmly off the field with his hands behind his back.

The refs, once again, did not change the outcome of the game. WCU is better than they were but still winless in the SoCon. At the end of the day, App has the W and the jug. It's great to be a Mountaineer!

Daphe.....I need to sit near you for the GSU game....I was waiting for someone to say something about this and had actually picked out Beau's post to go back and copy and post about. What Blalock and Kimbrough did was nothing but be spiritous after a play. Kimbrough ran in to the QB, knocked him down, folded his arms and then pumped up the ASU stands...The head linesman from the WCU sidelines threw the flag from across the field.....the Linesman, and the head Referee did not see anything wrong with the action....neither even reached for the flag.

Blalock intercepts a pass in a critical series, Speir (I know and like Mark!) has been jumping up and down all day, has run out on the field at the end of the Blalock interception and Blalock turns and pumps/flaps his arms up and down.....and the HEADLINESman AGAIN throws the flag.

For the record I do not support showing your tail...but neither of those met the threshold for me.

Go APPS!

[asutrnr81]

I think what is happening is that ASU has gotten a reputation for doing that stuff and the officials are most eager to throw the flags on us. I watched the video feed yesterday and I have seen much worse and questioned all day the antics of Speir on the field ( I think it was a bit WWF wrestling kind of move to put on a show for the home crowd--- but it'll sell tickets for them) as well as the tackling after the whistle. Saw BOTH teams jawing quite a bit.
Here is the bottom line though: We HAVE to be disciplined enough and not do things that will HURT OUR TEAM. We continue to do this stuff IMO.

Steve, I could not pick up the ASU feed at the stadium after the game, so I listened to the WCU feed. After the Game Speir said a guy came in the locker room room and gave them $5000 for their effort and for me standing up for our team....Speir got rewarded for showing his backside. (I know and like Mark, great guy, great family, all that)....but the lenses skew the view!

Go APPS!

[ASU-FTW]

I just don't understand why we always get soft whenever we get a big lead. I don't like letting inferior teams come back to make it look close.

Just wondering, did we get soft when we hung 80+ on Wofford the other year or, for that matter when we hung 70 on the Catamounts?

Nope, but these are different times. It seems the past few seasons have followed the trend of letting a beaten team come back on us. Citadel and Samford of last year come to mind. Samford and Western of this year indicate slight trends.

[DaphneUrquhart]

Daphne.....I need to sit near you for the GSU game....I was waiting for someone to say something about this and had actually picked out Beau's post to go back and copy and post about. For the record I do not support showing your tail...but neither of those met the threshold for me.

Go APPS!

We're sitting in Section J, Row 10. Come on by!

[BeauFoster]

Daphe.....I need to sit near you for the GSU game....I was waiting for someone to say something about this and had actually picked out Beau's post to go back and copy and post about. What Blalock and Kimbrough did was nothing but be spiritous after a play. Kimbrough ran in to the QB, knocked him down, folded his arms and then pumped up the ASU stands...The head linesman from the WCU sidelines threw the flag from across the field.....the Linesman, and the head Referee did not see anything wrong with the action....neither even reached for the flag.

Blalock intercepts a pass in a critical series, Speir (I know and like Mark!) has been jumping up and down all day, has run out on the field at the end of the Blalock interception and Blalock turns and pumps/flaps his arms up and down.....and the HEADLINESman AGAIN throws the flag.

For the record I do not support showing your tail...but neither of those met the threshold for me.

Go APPS!

As an FYI, I was unable to attend the game (who holds a wedding during football season, really?), so I only heard the radio broadcast. DJ and Avery were pretty upset with the players actions, so that's what I was basing my judgements on.

Also, I really enjoy ASN. Those guys and gals do a great job.

[asumike83]

We're sitting in Section J, Row 10. Come on by!

We are in Section J, Row 13. Have you found a tailgate spot yet?

[JCline0429]

Daphe.....I need to sit near you for the GSU game....I was waiting for someone to say something about this and had actually picked out Beau's post to go back and copy and post about. What Blalock and Kimbrough did was nothing but be spiritous after a play. Kimbrough ran in to the QB, knocked him down, folded his arms and then pumped up the ASU stands...The head linesman from the WCU sidelines threw the flag from across the field.....the Linesman, and the head Referee did not see anything wrong with the action....neither even reached for the flag.

Blalock intercepts a pass in a critical series, Speir (I know and like Mark!) has been jumping up and down all day, has run out on the field at the end of the Blalock interception and Blalock turns and pumps/flaps his arms up and down.....and the HEADLINESman AGAIN throws the flag.

For the record I do not support showing your tail...but neither of those met the threshold for me.

Go APPS!

As an FYI, I was unable to attend the game (who holds a wedding during football season, really?), so I only heard the radio broadcast. DJ and Avery were pretty upset with the players actions, so that's what I was basing my judgements on.

Also, I really enjoy ASN. Those guys and gals do a great job.

It was ironic that Steve Brown had to miss a game because of his son's wedding. I would like to have heard Avery "again." He is class and doesn't over do it critiquing plays.

[JCline0429]

Were all of you bemoaning the calls against Kimbrough and Blalock at the game? Those of you who know me, know that sportsmanship is a major thing for me. That said, I wasn't at all offended by either Kimbrough's or Blalock's reactions after the plays they made - especially when I compare them to the post-whistle helmet to helmet by a WCU player, the consistent post-whistle gang tackling by WCU, the WCU team piling onto the field after the fumble recovery, and Coach Spier being on the field as much as he was. Now, if there were "words" to go with actions, that's a whole different story.

I certainly understand and agree with the rules against taunting and excessive celebration. I'm not a fan of asking a kid who's just made a tremendous play to walk calmly off the field with his hands behind his back.

The refs, once again, did not change the outcome of the game. WCU is better than they were but still winless in the SoCon. At the end of the day, App has the W and the jug. It's great to be a Mountaineer!

Daphe.....I need to sit near you for the GSU game....I was waiting for someone to say something about this and had actually picked out Beau's post to go back and copy and post about. What Blalock and Kimbrough did was nothing but be spiritous after a play. Kimbrough ran in to the QB, knocked him down, folded his arms and then pumped up the ASU stands...The head linesman from the WCU sidelines threw the flag from across the field.....the Linesman, and the head Referee did not see anything wrong with the action....neither even reached for the flag.

Blalock intercepts a pass in a critical series, Speir (I know and like Mark!) has been jumping up and down all day, has run out on the field at the end of the Blalock interception and Blalock turns and pumps/flaps his arms up and down.....and the HEADLINESman AGAIN throws the flag.

For the record I do not support showing your tail...but neither of those met the threshold for me.

Go APPS!

Rep point.