OK - here's the question ---

[JTApps1]

Good discussions and I will continue to participate as well - but in your responses try to include your answer to my initial question ---

Will the Big 12 expand to 12?
OR
Will the NCAA drop the number for a CCG to 10?
Just interested in hearing others take on this ---

Yes the BigXII will be forced to expand as the NCAA will not change their rules. Here is what I think will happen and a speculations of what it means for our situation.

I think that the BigXII will go after Colorado St. and Cincinnati. If that happens, it will leave the AAC with 10 teams and the MWC with 11. I think the MWC will go after New Mexico St. That will leave the SB with 10.

Don't forget Navy is set to join the AAC next year so they would have 11. If that happens they are likely to go after Army or Southern Miss.

If USM goes to the AAC to give them 12 and NMSU goes to the MWC that would leave CUSA with 12 and the SB with 10. At that point the SB would better off to just drop Idaho and stay at 9 for the time being. There will always be a handful of FCS teams willing to move up if need be.

[bigdaddyg]

So Boise State, TCU, and Utah didn't belong in the BCS games they played in? You could say their wins directly lead to TCU and Utah being asked to join the P5.

That's because TCU and Utah and P5-esque programs who were playing in G5 conferences. The same way App State was a Sun Belt-esque school playing in the SoCon.

The G5 should not get a seat at the table for a P5 playoff. The G5 should have it's own playoff. That would be awesome.

It would probably we written as the 5 P5 champions, the highest ranked G5 member (if ranked in the top 12), and 2-3 at larges depending if there was a qualified G5 member.

That is pretty much what I had in mind Saint.

As for a G5 playoff I think it would be good from a competition stand point, but create even more of a divide between P5 and G5. I know there is already a big gap, but some G5 members will have a tough time signing off on that. Just imagine telling ECU, Boise, UCF, ,Cincy, ect that now you not only have a stigma that you are below those teams, but clear cut rules excluding you from any chance at joining them in the post season. That could get ugly very quickly.

Good point. One thing that never gets brought up enough is how the perpetual cellar dwellars in the P5 conferences reap the rewards that the big boys in their conferences sew. While we talk about how the G5's don't have much of a chance how about the likes of:

Wake, Syracuse, Virgina, UNC, NCSU, Duke (generally), Vandy, Kentucky, Indiana, Illinois, etc. There are probably more "P5's" that realistically have no shot than there are who do. The NC should just model the postseason after the high schools. Pick 8 teams for the 4A, 3A, 2A and 1A championships. Rank at the end of the season.

[APPARJ]

So Boise State, TCU, and Utah didn't belong in the BCS games they played in? You could say their wins directly lead to TCU and Utah being asked to join the P5.

That's because TCU and Utah and P5-esque programs who were playing in G5 conferences. The same way App State was a Sun Belt-esque school playing in the SoCon.

The G5 should not get a seat at the table for a P5 playoff. The G5 should have it's own playoff. That would be awesome.

It would probably we written as the 5 P5 champions, the highest ranked G5 member (if ranked in the top 12), and 2-3 at larges depending if there was a qualified G5 member.

That is pretty much what I had in mind Saint.

As for a G5 playoff I think it would be good from a competition stand point, but create even more of a divide between P5 and G5. I know there is already a big gap, but some G5 members will have a tough time signing off on that. Just imagine telling ECU, Boise, UCF, ,Cincy, ect that now you not only have a stigma that you are below those teams, but clear cut rules excluding you from any chance at joining them in the post season. That could get ugly very quickly.

It doesn't matter if they like it or not, the ECU, Boise and UCF's of the world are not P5 schools. Over the last 53 years only 20 different schools have won national championships.

[Yosef10]

I keep hearing people say that TCU & Baylor didn't play anyone.

Let's talk about Alabama. OOC-WVU, FAU, Southern Miss, & Western

WVU (The best OOC win-6th in the Big 12)
SoMIss (Last in CUSA)
FAU (Next to last in CUSA)
Western (3rd in the SoCon)

Alabama should not be in the playoff let alone #1.

Show me a team that played a stronger conference schedule? - If their is a playoff and the SEC champion is not included then you don't have one of the two best teams in the country - are you serious about Alabama shouldn't even be in the playoffs??? -
Also WVU was the team Baylor lost to ---

My Alabama hate is showing. The real point I am trying to make is all the talk about weak schedules should include Bama.

They play in the SEC west which is inarguably the toughest division of a conference in College Football. Bama in no way plays a weak schedule, yeah they play 3 cupcakes and I don't think they should but they more than make up for it with Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Florida, etc. and to say their schedule is weak is just false

[JTApps1]

So Boise State, TCU, and Utah didn't belong in the BCS games they played in? You could say their wins directly lead to TCU and Utah being asked to join the P5.

That's because TCU and Utah and P5-esque programs who were playing in G5 conferences. The same way App State was a Sun Belt-esque school playing in the SoCon.

The G5 should not get a seat at the table for a P5 playoff. The G5 should have it's own playoff. That would be awesome.

It would probably we written as the 5 P5 champions, the highest ranked G5 member (if ranked in the top 12), and 2-3 at larges depending if there was a qualified G5 member.

That is pretty much what I had in mind Saint.

As for a G5 playoff I think it would be good from a competition stand point, but create even more of a divide between P5 and G5. I know there is already a big gap, but some G5 members will have a tough time signing off on that. Just imagine telling ECU, Boise, UCF, ,Cincy, ect that now you not only have a stigma that you are below those teams, but clear cut rules excluding you from any chance at joining them in the post season. That could get ugly very quickly.

It doesn't matter if they like it or not, the ECU, Boise and UCF's of the world are not P5 schools. Over the last 53 years only 20 different schools have won national championships.

I know they aren't P5's, but that doesn't mean they want to be completely separate. Besides didn't you argue TCU and Utah were basically P5 schools in G5 conferences? How are those schools any different when they were G5?

[appmaj]

I keep hearing people say that TCU & Baylor didn't play anyone.

Let's talk about Alabama. OOC-WVU, FAU, Southern Miss, & Western

WVU (The best OOC win-6th in the Big 12)
SoMIss (Last in CUSA)
FAU (Next to last in CUSA)
Western (3rd in the SoCon)

Alabama should not be in the playoff let alone #1.

Show me a team that played a stronger conference schedule? - If their is a playoff and the SEC champion is not included then you don't have one of the two best teams in the country - are you serious about Alabama shouldn't even be in the playoffs??? -
Also WVU was the team Baylor lost to ---

ESPN/SEC Kool Aid.

SEC West OOC Schedules:
Miss St: So Miss, UAB, South Alabama, UT-Martin
Ole Miss: Boise St, ULL, Memphis, Presby
Auburn: San Jose St, La Tech, Kansas St, Samford
LSU: Wisconsin, Sam Houston, ULM, NMSU
A & M: Lamar, Rice, SMU, ULM
Arkansas: Nichols, Texas Tech, Northern Ill, UAB

The proof will come out in the bowl games but, I stand by my weak schedule point for the SEC west.

[bcoach]

I keep hearing people say that TCU & Baylor didn't play anyone.

Let's talk about Alabama. OOC-WVU, FAU, Southern Miss, & Western

WVU (The best OOC win-6th in the Big 12)
SoMIss (Last in CUSA)
FAU (Next to last in CUSA)
Western (3rd in the SoCon)

Alabama should not be in the playoff let alone #1.

Show me a team that played a stronger conference schedule? - If their is a playoff and the SEC champion is not included then you don't have one of the two best teams in the country - are you serious about Alabama shouldn't even be in the playoffs??? -
Also WVU was the team Baylor lost to ---

ESPN/SEC Kool Aid.

SEC West OOC Schedules:
Miss St: So Miss, UAB, South Alabama, UT-Martin
Ole Miss: Boise St, ULL, Memphis, Presby
Auburn: San Jose St, La Tech, Kansas St, Samford
LSU: Wisconsin, Sam Houston, ULM, NMSU
A & M: Lamar, Rice, SMU, ULM
Arkansas: Nichols, Texas Tech, Northern Ill, UAB

The proof will come out in the bowl games but, I stand by my weak schedule point for the SEC west.

The real answer is that it does not matter. It's an invitational tournament and they can invite anyone they want.

[appmaj]

Good point. I wonder under the old BCS formula who would be playing for the title

[appstate2007]

In earlier replies it was mentioned that the SBC should drop Idaho. I have heard this mentioned on many occasion by many different people. But here is the reality of Idaho. Idaho is a FBS school and there is no transition period and they are just football and are offset by a non-football playing member. So there is no need to "kick them out". With the constant changing landscape of FBS and G5 conferences. The last thing the SBC needs is to be kicking out any football playing member. You never know when another mass exodus will take place again and App could be left in a conference with less then the minimal number of FBS FB playing schools.

[appst89]

Good point. I wonder under the old BCS formula who would be playing for the title

It would be Florida St. against either Alabama or Oregon.

[bigdaddyg]

Good point. I wonder under the old BCS formula who would be playing for the title

It would be Florida St. against either Alabama or Oregon.

Exactly! And can you imagine the debate between Alabama and Oregon? Easier to pick the top 3 than the top 4.

[AppinVA]

In earlier replies it was mentioned that the SBC should drop Idaho. I have heard this mentioned on many occasion by many different people. But here is the reality of Idaho. Idaho is a FBS school and there is no transition period and they are just football and are offset by a non-football playing member. So there is no need to "kick them out". With the constant changing landscape of FBS and G5 conferences. The last thing the SBC needs is to be kicking out any football playing member. You never know when another mass exodus will take place again and App could be left in a conference with less then the minimal number of FBS FB playing schools.

It's one road trip every four years. One every other when you factor in NM State. No big deal. Besides, once you get the plane off the ground, does it really matter how far you go for football? The other sports, sure, but we don't have to worry about that. We signed up for a H&H with Wyoming and Montana. I doubt any team took a bus for those games.